[Kiki17]

Originally Posted by Miss GoodManners (View Post) Aren't you feeling a bit like Kalinda?

Do not tell her that

[Gelfling]

We got a pretty decent episode this week, let's not ask too much!

I can't help it. I'm greedy but I agree it was mostly alright.
I'm just a little worried that all the great dynamics between the characters last season are crumbling under the weight of too many storylines and too many unnecessary recurring characters.

Got your inside sources, eh? Aren't you feeling a bit like Kalinda?

I wish! Maybe I should try to wear boots!
And you can't believe how hilarious a conversation with her can be! You want to see her implode, you mention CSI

Do not tell her that

[Miss GoodManners]

Originally Posted by Gelfling (View Post) I can't help it. I'm greedy but I agree it was mostly alright. I'm just a little worried that all the great dynamics between the characters last season are crumbling under the weight of too many storylines and too many unnecessary recurring characters.

I can totally understand the feeling!

I wish! Maybe I should try to wear boots! And you can't believe how hilarious a conversation with her can be! You want to see her implode, you mention CSI

Yeah, I think you told me something about her when we met.

[Mirani]

Actually I have a friend who works at the French Police Lab and she said lifting fingerprints off a wooden baseball bat is near impossible

That is so awesome!

I finally got around to watching the episode and I thought it was very good. Probably the best one of the season although I couldn't care less about all the gang-related stuff. And the kids stuff. So really, it was mostly just Alicia being awesome. Giving me faith that even if everything else sucked I'd still watch the show

I loved the "in my opinion" judge (She's "Lindsay Lohan's" mother in Mean Girls!) The opposite lawyer was pretty funny too when she looked all defeated Diane kicked ass.

So there was way too much kissing between Tammy and Will and "If you fall in love with me I'm outta here" ? x1000
Please Will, do me a favor and fall in love with her. Then she'll be gone (wishful thinking) and this dragging on with the Peter-Alicia-Will love triangle will be over with (wishful thinking again).

My favorite Kalinda scene was when she was standing against that wall at the beginning looking good and of course Blake had to come by. That wasn't so bad in itself but then he had to open his mouth, do some weird gestures and basically ruin the scene. I always knew he wasn't all that good but it was the first time I noticed how really awful he is and wanted to break my TV screen to make it go away. However I liked Blake in his non-presence. The use of the bat was a nice move. Yeah, yeah, where's my loyalty to Kalinda?

Cary was great but his presence always seems forced... Maybe if Diane opens her firm (as if!) he can go work for her. In any case, it would be great to see Cary and Blake interact.

What I don't understand is how does Diane telling Eli about the wiretapping change anything and would make him want to be her client?
If Eli needs a lawyer, they can bring back Ms. Tascioni

There was too much kids time... Really if they insist on including them in the show, why not make some family scenes with Alicia who's the focus instead of giving them a third of the episode to do silly things and have some teenage drama This is not how I want the show to be like!
Becca, although very annoying as usual, was great in her scene with Jackie. It was so obvious from the beginning that the gradma was racist and I don't know why she doesn't like Becca because I think they're quite similar and would get along great, even if it's faked. Also, I'm wondering, is Nisa Wendy's kid?

Best scene of the episode though goes to Alicia in that tiny room! She was awesome putting those CDs to stabilize the chair it brought back memories from school *wipes off tear*. She was absolutely amazing after having heard Will on the tapes. Her reaction was really moving and made me want to be a Will/Alicia shipper to be able to squee about it. And no high-five for Julius Cain!

[Kalinda Smith]

Please Will, do me a favor and fall in love with her. Then she'll be gone

Love Potion #9 coming up for Mr Will Gardner please!

The use of the bat was a nice move. Yeah, yeah, where's my loyalty to Kalinda?

It was if he wants to die young
Personally there's only one use of a bat I could think of involving Squiddy that I'd like to see
Squiddy --> <-- Kalinda

What I don't understand is how does Diane telling Eli about the wiretapping change anything and would make him want to be her client?

It makes her look more aware of what's going on and I guess you want that in a lawyer if you're not always squeaky clean.

If Eli needs a lawyer, they can bring back Ms. Tascioni

I think they have plans to bring her back but of course they said a lot of things in between seasons...

[Mirani]

Love Potion #9 coming up for Mr Will Gardner please!

You mean it doesn't work like that?

It was if he wants to die young

Nice smilies! I think he's going to die anyway. I don't see how else the show could get rid of him at this point. But I don't think Kalinda would do it directly, maybe manipulate the gang people he's involved with into thinking he's betrayed them or something so that they'd kill him.

It makes her look more aware of what's going on and I guess you want that in a lawyer if you're not always squeaky clean

That's true and would work for anybody else but in Eli's case he has to support Alicia so I don't know if what she did was worth it

[Kalinda Smith]

But I don't think Kalinda would do it directly, maybe manipulate the gang people he's involved with into thinking he's betrayed them or something so that they'd kill him.

My brother thinks that drug dealer guy they brought back from last season might have a hand in Blake's final demise. I mean Squiddy was involved with some meth gang back in Baltimore and Bishop got rid of some meth house so i'm assuming he's into the business. And Blake's always trying to up the ante with her, trying to beat her on the job. Maybe she could trick him into asking questions about Bishop and point out to Bishop he was involved with MS13. I dunno. It would certainly be interesting.

Anyway she HAS to do something at some point. He just won't let up!

I don't know if what she did was worth it

Yeah that was a little naive of Diane again. She knows Gold is only a client because Alicia asked him to. And she knows Alicia would most likely stay with Will (although I guess it would solve her conflict problems if she didn't) so it wasn't a big surprise he'd tell her no.

[Mirani]

My brother thinks that drug dealer guy they brought back from last season might have a hand in Blake's final demise

That's interesting. Does he have a role in the series? Because I really don't like him and I'd be glad if they could use him hurting Blake to get rid of both of them and this gang-drugs storyline.

Anyway she HAS to do something at some point. He just won't let up!

Not to take anyone's side, but she's the one who took things to the next level by getting physical and destroying his car.

[Gelfling]

Diane kicked ass.

She so did! She totally destabilized the prosecutor. Basically she was using the judge to do it

So there was way too much kissing between Tammy and Will and "If you fall in love with me I'm outta here" ? x1000

I know, right? What was up with that? They couldn't find another line for her? It's not enough having such a one-dimensional character around, they have to hammer it too?

then he had to open his mouth, do some weird gestures and basically ruin the scene. I always knew he wasn't all that good but it was the first time I noticed how really awful he is and wanted to break my TV screen to make it go away

He's getting worse. Every time they try to up the ante and make the character more evil, he gets more uncomfortable with it. In that scene in Derrick's office when Kalinda tells him it's not going to end well, he looks like he's about to pee his pants. He's just not cut out to play anything but a sweetheart and he's so intimidated by Archie!

The use of the bat was a nice move. Yeah, yeah, where's my loyalty to Kalinda?

Not sure how it will turn out for him though.
Not counting the fact it really doesn't make sense in any way (he had to know the doctor would end up in a coma if he wanted to pin this on Kalinda and anyone at the firm knows he was the one who went there in the first place, not Kalinda), he has to understand by now he won't get anywhere by threatening her, doesn't he?

It was if he wants to die young Personally there's only one use of a bat I could think of involving Squiddy that I'd like to see Squiddy --> <-- Kalinda

I can picture it!

I don't see how else the show could get rid of him at this point. But I don't think Kalinda would do it directly, maybe manipulate the gang people he's involved with into thinking he's betrayed them or something so that they'd kill him.

That's how I figured it too. It would really be interesting to see her go that far. I'm not sure the show will have the guts though. Maybe Blake will end up dead but I don't know if it will be Kalinda's doing.

My brother thinks that drug dealer guy they brought back from last season might have a hand in Blake's final demise

I think it's just that this new writer had only seen one episode of the show and that was Fleas but why not?

Does he have a role in the series?

He was in two episodes. I was surprised to see him back to tell you the truth. He wasn't that big the first time around and this time, it could have been just any drug dealer.

Anyway she HAS to do something at some point. He just won't let up!

The more she waits, the more hard to believe it becomes. Kalinda's private by nature. She seems to have a lot of secrets. She probably didn't get that far by just letting anyone push her around for no reason. It makes no sense that she's still beating around the bush when he's becoming increasingly aggressive and dangerous.

Not to take anyone's side, but she's the one who took things to the next level by getting physical and destroying his car.

For some reason (that will probably remain unknown since the writers didn't get that far), he has it in for Kalinda. I think he would have gone that far whether she had destroyed his (rental) car or not. Besides he was the one who escalated things first by trying to out her to Alicia. I have no idea what his agenda is but to hear him say he wants a truce now? Sounded totally unbelievable to me.

[Mirani]

She totally destabilized the prosecutor. Basically she was using the judge to do it

I love it so much when the lawyers use the judge

It's not enough having such a one-dimensional character around, they have to hammer it too?

They don't want to make her likable or else people would ship her with Will and they can't have that but yeah it's really weird to have such a poor character when most of the rest of them are greatly written.

anyone at the firm knows he was the one who went there in the first place, not Kalinda

I'm not clear on that part. The other side had a witness (the doctor) who could have made them lose the trial but Blake beat him and found the guy who went on the stand to make them win? If that's what happened then they only know he found the right witness and only Will knows Blake had something to do with the doctor... Kalinda still could have gone there to beat him, if she can't prove that at that time she was... with Donna?

It would really be interesting to see her go that far. I'm not sure the show will have the guts though. Maybe Blake will end up dead but I don't know if it will be Kalinda's doing.

I don't think that's out of the ordinary for her, she manipulates people to get stuff done, and maybe she'll discover Blake has done something awful that would further justify her getting rid of him, it would be very consistent with her character, maybe disappointingly so. Because really, at this point Kalinda has to do something and be involved in his demise so that she doesn't look like she lost to Blake, and they've reached a point of no return where we know one of them will be arrested/dead 'cuz they can't continue this game forever. And I'm happy Blake has quickened the pace with the bat thing. I'd be agreeably surprised if she just shot him in the head, but I think that might be going a bit too far

He wasn't that big the first time around and this time, it could have been just any drug dealer.

Well with all the territory he owns isn't he the most important? So he's not related in any way with Peter's church? I wasn't following all that closely so I'm not sure what was up with the map, or if there was anything religious going on, or now that I'm thinking about it who the accused guy was besides being Will's friend.

She probably didn't get that far by just letting anyone push her around for no reason

Maybe she's never had to defend herself this much? Because from the way she acts, it looks like she's never had this kind of opponent. I think Blake might have known who Kalinda was before the two firms merged. Maybe their pasts are one-sided (Blake) linked. Or he knows someone who has something against her and made a deal/bet with them to bring her down/beat her at her own game.
Also, how weird was that when Will suddenly said Blake and Kalinda are competing as if they were kids or something.

I think he would have gone that far whether she had destroyed his (rental) car or not. Besides he was the one who escalated things first by trying to out her to Alicia

There's a very big difference between words/empty threats and actually doing something. At first he baited her with the Leela calling, she lost her cool and pushed back. And from that moment, he knew he had made an impact and that she'd be in his game. I don't know if he has mental issues and could be dangerous but he must have felt pretty satisfied and encouraged to keep pushing her. I'm not saying that if she hadn't reacted he wouldn't have continued, but it would've limited the means by which he could have gotten back at her (e.g. the bat).
She outright provoked him and I don't feel sorry for what's happening to her now. Before smashing his car, he was pretty much just words and relatively harmless. She underestimated him and now she's paying for it. What I think would've been smart of her would've been faking interest in him, getting info on him, and sneakily figuring out a plan to put him down.

he wants a truce now? Sounded totally unbelievable to me

Of course it was! It would have made a better impact if they had smiled and shaken hands in public though. Oh how I love fictional fake-friendships

[Gelfling]

The other side had a witness (the doctor) who could have made them lose the trial but Blake beat him and found the guy who went on the stand to make them win?

Blake found information in the doctor's office about the patient he was sleeping with. And he beat him up so that he couldn't testify (or because he surprised him, that's unclear)

If that's what happened then they only know he found the right witness and only Will knows Blake had something to do with the doctor

Arguably if the cops arrested Kalinda for it, I like to think that Will would say she wasn't the one who went there.

Kalinda still could have gone there to beat him, if she can't prove that at that time she was... with Donna?

It' s funny because Lily mentioned the same thing about Donna possibly being Kalinda's alibi. That would be really good
As for Kalinda beating up that doctor, frankly with the difference in height between Archie and Porter, I find it hard to believe they couldn't tell the good doctor was not beaten up by a 5'3 woman and not a 5'8 man.

I'd be agreeably surprised if she just shot him in the head, but I think that might be going a bit too far

yeah I don't see them going that far. I hope they do get somewhere in the vicinity with Kalinda provoking his demise but we'll see... IF he ever get eliminated (since they keep extending his contract )

Well with all the territory he owns isn't he the most important? So he's not related in any way with Peter's church? I wasn't following all that closely so I'm not sure what was up with the map, or if there was anything religious going on, or now that I'm thinking about it who the accused guy was besides being Will's friend.

The client was an "alderman". That's a high ranking city official. He was accused of taking bribe money from muslim extremists in order to allow the building of a Mosque. It turned out he did take some bribe money but from Bishop, the drug dealer, in order to get rid of his competition's base, where the Mosque was built. Thats what the map was about. Kalinda was showing the Before/After of the territory.

Also, how weird was that when Will suddenly said Blake and Kalinda are competing as if they were kids or something.

Yeah and it makes no sense. If anything, knowing what Blake did and how fond Kalinda is of investigating (and since Blake also told him she was already digging about him), you'd think he would want them as far from each other as possible)

Before smashing his car, he was pretty much just words and relatively harmless

That's where I disagree. He was not harmless. To Kalinda he was threatening her relationship with Alicia directly and brazenly.

She underestimated him and now she's paying for it. What I think would've been smart of her would've been faking interest in him, getting info on him, and sneakily figuring out a plan to put him down.

Yeah and that's just bad writing. She should have taken him out a long time ago already instead of waiting for him to do something like that.
As for faking interest, I think that boat had sailed the minute he dropped "Leela" on her. If she had sounded even remotely friendly, he would have known it was fake. He was looking for war from the start. He got it. And he's going down. The question is when and how long can they drag it out without making Kalinda look like an idiot?

[Mirani]

Blake found information in the doctor's office about the patient he was sleeping with

Does it change something that the doctor couldn't testify?
If he saw him then he's probably going to go back and kill him for good.

if the cops arrested Kalinda for it, I like to think that Will would say she wasn't the one who went there

Considering he's the one who sent Blake, I doubt that would happen. Which is sad because I like Will when he's not proclaiming his love for Alicia.

they couldn't tell the good doctor was not beaten up by a 5'3 woman and not a 5'8 man

Maybe he knows someone, let's say a hooker, who has Kalinda's body shape and blackmailed her into beating the doctor.

(and since Blake also told him she was already digging about him), you'd think he would want them as far from each other as possible

Will doesn't seem all that concerned, he probably has something on Kalinda. And maybe Will's past is not that big of a deal, he's just shady. Maybe he wants Blake to get in trouble so that their past thing gets buried. And it's not like she can do anything against Will 'cuz Alicia would get mad?

He was not harmless. To Kalinda he was threatening her relationship with Alicia

Harmless as in her life is not in danger. How does Blake calling her Leela to Alicia threaten their relationship?

As for faking interest, I think that boat had sailed the minute he dropped "Leela" on her. If she had sounded even remotely friendly, he would have known it was fake.

She could have pretended she didn't mind. Or she could have proposed a truce

The question is when and how long can they drag it out without making Kalinda look like an idiot?

As far as I'm concerned, it's too late

Thanks for summarizing the boring parts

[Gelfling]

Does it change something that the doctor couldn't testify?

It really didn't. At best, he could have given his version of the facts but it was far fetched. Much like almost everything pertaining to Blake, it makes little sense and is just a plot device.

If he saw him then he's probably going to go back and kill him for good.

I don't know if he'd have seen enough of him to identify him in a lineup but even if he saw just a shape, I think he's have a hard time confusing him with Kalinda

Maybe he knows someone, let's say a hooker, who has Kalinda's body shape and blackmailed her into beating the doctor.

Hehe considering the suspension of disbelief the authors expect from us when Blake is concerned, anything's possible.

Maybe he wants Blake to get in trouble so that their past thing gets buried.

I thought about that. I don't know. If Will has anything on him or Derrick, it's probably he'd spill it if he ever got grilled by the cops. They'd probably would like him to stay out of trouble.

Considering he's the one who sent Blake, I doubt that would happen. Which is sad because I like Will when he's not proclaiming his love for Alicia.

He didn't really ask him to go that far so I hope if push comes to shove, he'd do the right thing.

Harmless as in her life is not in danger. How does Blake calling her Leela to Alicia threaten their relationship?

It's funny you used that sentence because I'm thinking that's exactly what it is. Even if not physically at risk, all she worked hard to build, the secrets she has done a lot to hide, the past she's got rid of, everything is coming back in play. So I'd say that her "life", meaning, the life she's living is in danger.

As for threatening her relationship with Alicia, we don't know yet (and probably won't at that pace) what she's hiding, what's in her past and who that Leela was. I think it's fair to assume (and I think Archie mentioned it in a recent interview) that it's not rosy. She seems to think it would be the end of her relationship with Alicia if whatever she's hiding came to the light. I don't know if it's true but it's real to her.

As far as I'm concerned, it's too late

Sadly, I agree. Much as I feared, in trying to make her more human, they are destroying the character altogether just because they have no idea what they are doing.

[Rainha♕Primavera]

Will has a very wide range of friends.

OMG !! The way how Alicia knew that Will left an important message for her was amazing! Just found it odd she had not heard before the message that preceded the most revealing. Well, at least she's on the way, she just need to have a chance to be alone with Will.

These videos of provocating with Childs are hilarious! And I think this new Zack's girlfriend is most appropriate for him but Becca will not facilitate.

[Kiki17]

Originally Posted by Addison Forbes Montgomery (View Post) Will has a very wide range of friends..

Will has like the sketchiest friends except for Kalinda