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Old 06-14-2024, 07:19 AM
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Hm something is going on in the trial today. Cameras are off. Some reports are saying that they are talking to each juror individually. There are some concerns about potential mistrial. I guess we will know more later today.
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Old 06-14-2024, 07:21 AM
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I get the feeling John’s dad thinks Karen didn’t do it, the Albert’s/McCabe’s are involved. The mother however thinks Karen did it.

That’s my feeling.
Some people in Reddit have speculated indeed that John’s father is not 100 % OK with how the trial is going and might not believe 100 % that Karen is guilty. Some say that John’s brother is now a bit less aggressively watching Karen. His mother though is caught on camera mocking Yanetti when Proctor on direct accuses Yanetti of something.

There also some comments John and his mother might have fought over custody of the children and they might not have been super close. Who knows?
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It is… I hate it. Jodi Arias never made me feel this way and as we know she is deeply disturbed.
To be fair Jodi did not make her feel this way because she is a woman. He is a guy. Yes a teen but a guy. Just physically speaking he seems more threatening to us than Jodi.
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Precisely!

Exactly. That would’ve been a simple explanation that would’ve made sense. Given his history with anger; then again, what teenager doesn’t have an issue with anger at times? It would’ve been believable.

When people lie, they have a tendency to ramble on and on about the lie. They are working too hard to make it believable. His lie went on and on. It was made up.
Exactly. What would have been much more believable if he had said that. Their problem is that they do not know what is normal and how to lie convincingly which tells you that what they are trying to conceal something big. It is not something mundane.
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Old 06-14-2024, 07:26 AM
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Right?

The question is why.

Is she obsessed with Brian Sr? Like why does she care so much? I don’t get her angle at all.
Maybe it is about her sister? She is sister of Nicole after all. Also Colin is a good friend of her daughter after all.

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I truly believe she played a large part. I don’t think she was just the after death clean up crew. I am now leaning towards there being a set up from the start. I don’t believe it was just random. I think it’s weird that she was so insistent on getting Karen to go with her to the house for some reason. They were not best friends. Karen even said I have no idea why they wanted us there so much.

According to Turtleboy the play fighting between Brian Sr. and Higgins at the bar was about discussing messing up John later. There are reports Brian Sr. beat other cops over the years.

According to Turtleboy they wanted to beat him up to put him in his place (Brian Sr. and Colin) regarding his reports of drug deals in town. They wanted to do this outside the last bar, with Karen already leaving. Karen did not leave with Jen so they improvised and had it take place at the home. It was a beating gone wrong. Initially, they were going to blame a snowplow for his death, but things worked out too perfectly when Karen found him so then they switched the plan to Karen being set up for the murder.

No idea if true but to me it’s obvious there was something in the works. These people were not his true friends. His true friends existed at the first bar; who John and Karen were with at the second bar were not his friends, they were out to get him.
I can’t say if it was done on purpose or not because I am not sure I find Turtleboy 100 % trustworthy. But I do think that Proctor made up his mind about Karen killing John because of what Jen said. Now whether Proctor was on the framing from the beginning or just believed Jen and Alberts and did not look anywhere else I do not know.

I also do think that part of it is that Jen just does not like Karen.
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They have live trial today? Any word on if the prosecution is resting?
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Hm something is going on in the trial today. Cameras are off. Some reports are saying that they are talking to each juror individually. There are some concerns about potential mistrial. I guess we will know more later today.
Wow. No way?!
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Some people in Reddit have speculated indeed that John’s father is not 100 % OK with how the trial is going and might not believe 100 % that Karen is guilty. Some say that John’s brother is now a bit less aggressively watching Karen. His mother though is caught on camera mocking Yanetti when Proctor on direct accuses Yanetti of something.

There also some comments John and his mother might have fought over custody of the children and they might not have been super close. Who knows?
That is interesting.

John’s father visually really describes his thoughts. Hopefully Paul is seeing the light more. Erin looks softer to me too. I have a feeling Erin has her own thoughts but supports Paul’s feelings. His mother seems pretty rigid. She could be caught up on the past custody (other stuff) so she is not seeing the full picture.
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To be fair Jodi did not make her feel this way because she is a woman. He is a guy. Yes a teen but a guy. Just physically speaking he seems more threatening to us than Jodi.
That is true.

I was speaking more on energetically and what I feel energy-wise.

Jodi always felt unstable to me for sure, her eyes were dead like black nothingness. But I didn’t want to deep breathe looking at her.

Colin has the soulless eyes but it’s like I feel dark energy swirling constantly with him. It makes me nervous. it’s nothing he has physically done like pictures or video. It’s just looking at him and feeling the energy. It makes me feel uncomfortable. I am waiting for his eyes to turn red and horns to start growing out of his head. That’s what I feel.

Even Brian Sr. doesn’t make me feel this way and I know he’s a very bad dude.
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Exactly. What would have been much more believable if he had said that. Their problem is that they do not know what is normal and how to lie convincingly which tells you that what they are trying to conceal something big. It is not something mundane.
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You can also tell he’s hardly ever punished for bad behavior and knows he skates. So he’s not a good liar since he’s never had to be one
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Maybe it is about her sister? She is sister of Nicole after all. Also Colin is a good friend of her daughter after all.



I can’t say if it was done on purpose or not because I am not sure I find Turtleboy 100 % trustworthy. But I do think that Proctor made up his mind about Karen killing John because of what Jen said. Now whether Proctor was on the framing from the beginning or just believed Jen and Alberts and did not look anywhere else I do not know.

I also do think that part of it is that Jen just does not like Karen.
Which is interesting because if she doesn’t like Karen why was she so buddy buddy with her at the bar trying to get her to get in the car with her to go to the Albert’s?

That’s why it seems so suspect.
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I’m watching the part when Jackson gets in Colin’s verbally violent video…

I wish he would have tied it to John more like saying this video shows you are capable of violence and John’s injuries match violence (and it’s a known fact you threw beer on his lawn and generally hated him). If he could get that in of course. I’m afraid the jury is just going to believe Colin is a violent punk but not closely relate it back to John and how suspect Colin seems to be on the night of John’s murder.
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Wow. No way?!
Seems the trial is back on so that’s good news. They just changed what they show. Right now is the testimony of the common wealth computer specialist. It will be interesting for me to watch that once I reach this point.

So at least for now no mistrial.
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That is interesting.

John’s father visually really describes his thoughts. Hopefully Paul is seeing the light more. Erin looks softer to me too. I have a feeling Erin has her own thoughts but supports Paul’s feelings. His mother seems pretty rigid. She could be caught up on the past custody (other stuff) so she is not seeing the full picture.
Could be. Also some people say that she never liked Karen. Who knows? All around very sad that it comes to this. I wonder how John feels about all of this. You know his spirit.
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That is true.

I was speaking more on energetically and what I feel energy-wise.

Jodi always felt unstable to me for sure, her eyes were dead like black nothingness. But I didn’t want to deep breathe looking at her.

Colin has the soulless eyes but it’s like I feel dark energy swirling constantly with him. It makes me nervous. it’s nothing he has physically done like pictures or video. It’s just looking at him and feeling the energy. It makes me feel uncomfortable. I am waiting for his eyes to turn red and horns to start growing out of his head. That’s what I feel.

Even Brian Sr. doesn’t make me feel this way and I know he’s a very bad dude.
I did get similar vibes from Jodi so I cannot say Colin is worse than her but I agree with you that I got more bad energy from Colin than say Brian Sr or Chris Albert. I agree with that.
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