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secretk

Thanks for the new thread!

As for my comment I really mean it. One of thsoe episodes is one of the most heartbreaking episodes for me to watch. It's just things that happen to a certain character that are not that easy to forget.

jediwands

Last page of #86: http://www.fanforum.com/f104/ot2-thr...1/index20.html

jediwands

Very scared now.

You can tell the darker tone is all thick right now. You can feel it. Maria's not even joking around anymore at the moment. When she's serious, something is brewing...

secretk

Definitely . After this episode I honestly felt that their teen years are over. They had to deal with something that people their age don't. Hell grownups don't deal with that. I guess it was to be expected though. It's not them just hiding from their parents. I mean the FBI are involved.

About the PM I am waiting .

Taryn74

TFTNT!

The 100 - Yes, the thing with Murphy again. Does anyone know exactly what he said to Ontari when she started stripping down? (Since I watch on the cw network I can't just skip to a certain part of the show without sitting thru all the commercials that would have shown, and I don't really care that much lol.) Because I got to thinking about it and another reason I didn't even think of that scene as rape when I first watched it, was because I took his "I have someone...." bit to be more like "Hey, just so you don't go ape ***** on her if she shows up, there is someone I'm kind of with, so if you're thinking that me helping you means that I'm a free agent and want to become your permanent consort, it doesn't...." rather than "I see that you want to have sex with me and I am saying no." I'm just sharing how I interpreted the scene the first time I watched, I'm open to being wrong.

And honestly, I would probably still feel that way if the gender roles were reversed, too, so this isn't just a "men can't really be raped" thing.

jediwands

Okay!

Wow, this is huge. It happens in the finale?

everwoodfan52

Thanks for the new thread, Michelle.

ds44

tftnt

jediwands

Roswell 1.20: Max to the Max

Wow! What an episode. So much happened in this one and I was on the edge of my seat from start to finish.

So Nasedo = Fake dad Harding
New Deputy = Pierce

I had an idea that he was Nasedo but I wasn't completely sure. However, when the new deputy showed up I immediately knew that was Pierce.

Nasedo is one evil dude. I am not buying that he's there to protect them. He's got more going on. I don't know precisely what but a guy that can kill so effortlessly is not there to protect them in a noble way. He has zero value for life except for the lives of the Four but there has to be way more to it. He has an agenda, I am not sure what it is but he's not genuine.

Jason Behr was absolutely fabulous in this episode in the dual role he played. He had me terrified as Nasedo! What amazed me about Liz is while she was clearly concerned that she was kidnapped by some evil shape shifter, she still felt in control. She has this strength about her even in the most terrifying of circumstances... she still is genuinely in control.

I think this episode proves that while Max has a need to control things, I think a lot of it has to do with confusion. When Michael said that they possibly were designed Max basically flipped out and said that's impossible. It's interesting because sometimes he says things and has no reason for going there, like there's no valid proof. I think that's why both Michael and Isabel get frustrated with Max. Max needs control when he's confused, especially when he's confused. Yet in a way I feel like Max and Michael keep butting heads because they see a piece of themselves in each other if that makes sense.

What's interesting is in the last couple episodes we are seeing a side of Michael that not even Maria understands at this point. His compassion towards Isabel and her situation was so beautiful. He wants to help her, he hugs her without any hesitation. With Maria there is still some space between them that keeps them from being totally together. I am a diehard Michael and Maria shipper as everyone knows, but even I will admit that there seems to have been a small bit of disappointment in Michael when he found out there truly wasn't a baby. I think that there was some happiness at the thought of bringing a life into the world for him. To have that taken from him I believe brought out some sadness but at the same time he was relieved that Isabel was ok. Also? When Liz broke down realizing Max had been captured Michael naturally moved in to comfort her. It was so beautiful to see him naturally go to Liz and this started in the earlier episode when he found out Max kissed Tess, too. This is definitely the new and improved Michael and I love it. I don't think Max would remotely feel comfortable going up to Maria and comforting her, hugging her. It speaks volumes that Michael is this caring, compassionate guy to Liz. It's everything, really.

It was interesting seeing Isabel run from her alien side. She went back-and-forth but she was quiet until Nasedo kidnapped Liz. I think Alex was absolutely awesome as usual with Isabel this episode, and has been such a great influence on her because she now sees the aliens and the humans together as a group, not just the three of them anymore.

I felt so badly when Maria overheard Isabel and Michael conversing about the baby. I like that she calmly went to Michael to talk about it. Michael screwed up given his response but he more than made up for it when he went back to talk to her.

We are absolutely seeing Liz's powers now. She even admits it to Nasedo that Max changed her. I don't believe that she means just romantically in the least bit. Liz has changed, she does have powers of her own. When Liz kisses who she thought was Max she gets black and white flashes. It tells her that the person she thinks is Max is not Max. This is huge! I think it was assumed that Liz was getting flashes when she kisses Max because of Max mostly but now we're seeing that Liz has powers of her own.

I still don't trust Tess at all. I mean, while I'm not spoiled as far as knowing specifically what's going on with her and how it relates to the others, I do know that she's bad news in the future. However, if I watched the series unspoiled I would still not trust her based on how she's acting. Granted, we see her openly defiant to Nasedo so right now I'm sure she's happy that she's not alone anymore and maybe is truly happy to see them. She definitely has issues with Nasedo. That said, there's still something about her that you can tell is different from the other three.

I can't believe that Max was captured! I'm kind of confused over why Maria and Alex gave that lie about Max kidnapping Liz. Why didn't they just tell the truth? I mean if they got Valenti involved he was certainly going to find someone who looked like Max and assume it was him. Then what were they going to do at that point? They would have to tell Valenti anyway about that not being Max. Granted, they didn't think all those people would be following but I still didn't understand why they lied and said it was Max.

So it appears that destiny is saying Max and Tess and Michael and Isabel are meant to be together. I hope this gets sorted soon. Now I can see why there was a Michael and Isabel ship. Was there a strong shipper group for Max and Tess?

Intense episode! How are they going to rescue Max?!

jediwands

^^^^^^^^^^^ I was just looking at this season 1 promotional poster (I assume)...

I just find it interesting how the characters are situated in the picture:

1) It's very obvious the two "pairings" showcased at the time was: Clarke/Bellamy & Octavia/Lincoln.

2) Finn was sort of in the background.

3) Jasper looks like he's near a mountain, lol.

4) Abby certainly is showcased.

5) Kane and his importance was definitely hidden. Jason wanted us to wait for it.



So, we have Finn dead, Lincoln dead, (I didn't want either death to happen even if I had my issues with Finn) and I'm hoping Jaha is the next one. I just can't with his character anymore. Anyone who is okay with basically entering a computerized cult that is recruiting others to lose their humanity while he found out he didn't even remember his own son is worthless. Raven fought it when she knew ALIE took away her memories of Finn for as long as she possibly could and he cheated on her. Jaha forgot his son and it didn't stir something inside of him. Sorry, he's a loser, he can go. So can the other deadbeat parent who turned her own son in... bye Monty's so called poor excuse for a mother.

secretk

It happens in the next episode .

secretk

He is not at all. I personally blame him for capturing Max. And I wonder why no one told him so because the truth is that he was willing to throw Liz under the bus just to get back at Pierce for something. Max went there to save Liz and got captured because of Nassedo. So I never saw anything genuine in him. Sorry.
I love this about Liz. She knows when to freak out and show it and when to keep herself under control.
He was disappointed . That's true.

Actually be prepared to be surprised. Max and Maria develop great friendship. It manifests differently than Michael and Liz, but Maria is Max's confidant in cases when Liz can't be. So those 4 develop something very strong.

Alex is awesome. He has always been.
Michael screws up from time to time, but he always sees the light in the end .
You know at the time I hadn't thought about it. I just thought that Liz knows Max enough to know that it's not him, but you have a point. This is the first real indication that Liz is changed because Max saved her. However it's still open to interpreation. In the show Liz is not the only one Max saves, but she is the only one to develop powers on the show. So we all took it that the way we want. Meaning that there was something very special between those two so that Liz developed powers. They never said what.
She is different. She had lived with Nassedo. That's why she knows more. It will be explained in the next episode.

Maria lied to Valenti because Michael didn't want them to go to Valenti at all. Maria compromised. She went to Valenti without telling anything alien. You will see more of this the next episode.

Sorry, it's not that soon. It becomes the theme of the show. It will be interesting to know how Max and Michael will react to this destiny because they do react differently.

Tess powers will be used. Nassedo's also. And Michael's also. Basically the aliens will save him. The question is when they will save him and what will happen to Max before they save him.

The next episode (The White Room) is one of the saddest episode in Roswell. It's the episode where I think that their lives were changed and they knew that they would never go back.

jediwands

He knew when he shapeshifted into fake Max he was immediately putting him in danger. He knew when the police/FBI caught up with them they would grab Max instead essentially yet he still chose to leave with Liz leaving Max completely vulnerable to be captured and he didn't care. He was after Pierce yet the claim is his job is ultimately to protect the Four. So something is off because he wasn't protecting Max, you are right, he is why Max was captured.

Her strength and calm is precisely why Nasedo was even oddly comfortable with her and I don't think he ever intended to hurt her. Oh he ultimately didn't care what happened to her and would have sacrificed her in order to kill Pierce but overall I don't think he was ever personally thinking about physically hurting her. I think a lot of that had to do with how Liz was reacting. She showed strength and calm and it allowed for a horrifying situation to at least be under control.

I am looking forward to it.

I just think it's amazing given who Michael seemed to be in the earlier episodes how gentle and comforting he's been with both Isabel and Liz. Of course, he's shown his gentle side to Maria as well off and on. He holds her and has been gentle with her. But with Isabel and Liz he has really stepped up to the plate. It speaks volumes.

I really think 1.16 Sexual Healing is the key. If you listen to Liz's words throughout the entire episode it's not just about her and Max being connected as soulmates. There's way more to it. She's talking about being a changed woman individually, way independent of her connection to Max as well. I think initially you are to believe it truly was a sexual experience, like she is turning into a woman and has these desires, etc. I think that was the cover. It wasn't about that. She was talking about something deep inside of her changing, she was transforming... I truly believe this was the exact moment she was aware of something happening and that was her powers sort of evolving inside of her. She might not have realized what was going on, but I do believe that's what was happening in addition to her and Max exploring the soulmate connection.

Why does she seem to dislike him? Is it because he has killed or is there more to it?

Yes, I get that part. What I don't understand is why tell Valenti Max kidnapped Liz though. Why not say someone kidnapped Liz? Why say Max? Saying Max was essentially not only putting Max in true danger, but once Valenti caught Nasedo and Liz, they would have to tell him that truly wasn't Max anyway. So why say Max?

I feel like Nasedo shapeshifting into Max put Max in serious danger but when they went to Valenti and lied and said Max kidnapped her, indirectly that didn't help either. They were still going to have to answer for why it truly wasn't Max but a shapeshifter instead. Thus, they'd have to tell at least some if not all of the truth in the end anyway.

Interesting.

This sounds so scary!

secretk

Nassedo is not to be trusted IMO. This is how I felt right from the start. I never believed that he will protect them. Once you watch the season finale you will understand even more that if he really was protecting them he would never put Max in any risk.

Nassedo wants Liz out and soon you will know why he wants her out. However he had to play this way otherwise Liz wouldn't buy at all that he is Max. Max trusts Liz so he had to play the role. Trust me he doesn't care about Liz like at all. On the contrary. He wants her out.

Michael senses his destiny even though he hasn't heard it yet. He knows that Liz is important to Max so he wants to protect her as well.

She is changed, but the show never gave an answer why . I mean if we go by the fact that Max healed her, he healed other people, but they didn't transform. So it's open to interpretation why she transformed and why she got those powers.

Tess doesn't dislike him. Quite the opposite actually and you will see it even the next episode. He is very important to Tess. She considers him father indeed. So I don't know why you sensed it that way, but no Tess likes him.

I guess they thought that Valenti would ask who kidnapped Liz and why so they decided that if they say Max Valenti will jump to it because he doesn't trust Max completely.

This is where the conflict rises though because some of them wanted to tell Valenti and others didn't. And this made them lying. No matter what they have told Valenti, the moment he goes there and sees 2 Maxes, he will know that something is fishy. So the question was either tell him the whole truth or don't get him involved at all. The thing is that they didn't expect that Valenti would see both nor that the new deputy is Pierce so the things went so wrong.

Well for me it was something very different than the usual Roswell in any case. It went into totally different territory.