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From previous thread:

Originally Posted by Betty It's becoming really ridiculous...the hysteria regarding the results of the election. There has got to be a better way to disagree than what has been going on. No more severed heads....no more shootings. Let's take a breath...pray...and hope we will be okay. Filling our citizens with rage is not the answer.

Admittedly, I was crushed and beyond emotionally pissed off due to the results of the election but I learned to let it go. What other choice do we have? What's done is done, there's nothing we can do about it now outside of hoping and praying things go smoothly for the next few years. Thinking violence is the answer is a psychotic way to think about it. The country spoke (even if it wasn't the vast majority and he got in on electoral only) and this is the way it was meant to be. We either complain and cry over it or we deal and do the best we can, hoping for some positive change even if most of us certainly rather have a different leader in place. We can still not love the leader but be hopeful at the same time. Violence is never the answer for anything in life.

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It's completely ridiculous. I just don't get it. Is it a culture of violence that has gone unchecked that's the real problem or is it simply politics gone haywire? It just makes 0 sense to me.

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Originally Posted by ds44 (View Post) It's completely ridiculous. I just don't get it. Is it a culture of violence that has gone unchecked that's the real problem or is it simply politics gone haywire? It just makes 0 sense to me.

I think both are in play.

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I agree...it is a combination of the two.

Michelle...thanks for the new thread!!!

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Welcome!

More information on the situation:

Alexandria Shooter James T. Hodgkinson: Everything We Know - Rolling Stone

I keep thinking about the poor children around the horrible gunfire and their little hearts racing from panic. Awful.

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Thanks for the new thread, Michelle!

Originally Posted by The Apt (View Post) Admittedly, I was crushed and beyond emotionally pissed off due to the results of the election but I learned to let it go. What other choice do we have? What's done is done, there's nothing we can do about it now outside of hoping and praying things go smoothly for the next few years. Thinking violence is the answer is a psychotic way to think about it. The country spoke (even if it wasn't the vast majority and he got in on electoral only) and this is the way it was meant to be. We either complain and cry over it or we deal and do the best we can, hoping for some positive change even if most of us certainly rather have a different leader in place. We can still not love the leader but be hopeful at the same time. Violence is never the answer for anything in life.

I agree with you. Of course people have every right to disagree with words and being pissed off. It's for their best to let it go at some point because it might cause them harm, but anyway disliking something/someone is not a crime.

Using violence is a crime! And honestly no one will be taken seriously if they use violence. Quite the opposite. It will be twisted in a way to represent the fact that the people that dislike the new president are violent recidivists. And that is unfair to every liberal that wanted someone else for president.

Violence is never the answer! And definitely not when it's done like that.

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Originally Posted by secretk (View Post) Thanks for the new thread, Michelle! I agree with you. Of course people have every right to disagree with words and being pissed off. It's for their best to let it go at some point because it might cause them harm, but anyway disliking something/someone is not a crime. Using violence is a crime! And honestly no one will be taken seriously if they use violence. Quite the opposite. It will be twisted in a way to represent the fact that the people that dislike the new president are violent recidivists. And that is unfair to every liberal that wanted someone else for president. Violence is never the answer! And definitely not when it's done like that.

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Exactly, it's absolutely ridiculous. To be perfectly honest, I'm actually a little shocked it took this long for the crazies who use violence to be heard to come out and do something so violent and terribly wrong. I know that sounds bad but given the initial reaction you just knew people not playing with a full deck would eventually try to be heard. That said, this also brings up the issue of gun control as well. Look at someone like Jodi Arias who could stroll into a place and easily purchase a gun, no doubt, to use on more victims. This guy obviously had his pick of weapons. Granted, some are saying we need less gun control and this is an example. However, I am talking about the mentality of people in general, too... what happened to peaceful protesting? It's like it goes without saying a weapon needs to be in the hand in order to say something or make a point. It's pathetic. The counter for needing more guns for protection is because we have a gun issue! If people didn't think guns were needed, we wouldn't need guns to protect.

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Originally Posted by The Apt (View Post) Welcome! Exactly, it's absolutely ridiculous. To be perfectly honest, I'm actually a little shocked it took this long for the crazies who use violence to be heard to come out and do something so violent and terribly wrong. I know that sounds bad but given the initial reaction you just knew people not playing with a full deck would eventually try to be heard.

That's true !

That said, this also brings up the issue of gun control as well. Look at someone like Jodi Arias who could stroll into a place and easily purchase a gun, no doubt, to use on more victims. This guy obviously had his pick of weapons. Granted, some are saying we need less gun control and this is an example.

The problem with the gun is that you don't know how it will be used. Unfortunately with a lot of stuff is like that. Indeed in the end is about the mentality of the people and not so much about the weapons. If someone want to kill, they will find a way.

However, I am talking about the mentality of people in general, too... what happened to peaceful protesting? It's like it goes without saying a weapon needs to be in the hand in order to say something or make a point. It's pathetic. The counter for needing more guns for protection is because we have a gun issue! If people didn't think guns were needed, we wouldn't need guns to protect.

I completely disagree with violence, but what bothers me is that people turn to violence for two reasons. One group does not care and I am not sure that they can be changed. Jodi is great example of that. However there are also other people who are so hopeless and disillusioned (most probably by someone like Jodi or to an extent) that they would go there. And that group can be stopped and such things could be prevented.

Some people are just bad in general. They only need reason to get violent. Others are manipulated by the first group. Not that this justifies them, but we have chances to change the second group. The first we can't.

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Originally Posted by secretk (View Post) That's true ! The problem with the gun is that you don't know how it will be used. Unfortunately with a lot of stuff is like that. Indeed in the end is about the mentality of the people and not so much about the weapons. If someone want to kill, they will find a way. I completely disagree with violence, but what bothers me is that people turn to violence for two reasons. One group does not care and I am not sure that they can be changed. Jodi is great example of that. However there are also other people who are so hopeless and disillusioned (most probably by someone like Jodi or to an extent) that they would go there. And that group can be stopped and such things could be prevented. Some people are just bad in general. They only need reason to get violent. Others are manipulated by the first group. Not that this justifies them, but we have chances to change the second group. The first we can't.

Excellent point about the two different groups. I completely agree.

Speaking of Arias... I'm back to rewatching more of the trial...

One thought... her defense attorney had her read parts of her journal where she discusses wanting to commit suicide. She starts grabbing the tissues and crying. This is the first time some of her tears were real, when she thought bsck to those fake suicide thoughts or maybe momentary borderline thoughts the sociopath would never allow. She murdered, practically beheaded, tortured, shot, stabbed repeatedly, slaughtered Travis and doesn't cry while thinking back on what she did to him. She only shows a flash of real emotion for herself.

Love this comment:

K Pandya "After I left Arizona, I didn't feel suicidal." We know. You felt homicidal.

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Originally Posted by The Apt (View Post) Excellent point about the two different groups. I completely agree.

Sadly that's the reality .

Speaking of Arias... I'm back to rewatching more of the trial... One thought... her defense attorney had her read parts of her journal where she discusses wanting to commit suicide. She starts grabbing the tissues and crying. This is the first time some of her tears were real, when she thought bsck to those fake suicide thoughts or maybe momentary borderline thoughts the sociopath would never allow. She murdered, practically beheaded, tortured, shot, stabbed repeatedly, slaughtered Travis and doesn't cry while thinking back on what she did to him. She only shows a flash of real emotion for herself. Love this comment:

She cares only about herself. The only tears we will see from her will be about her. And even then she will be restrained. Remember how she acted once she heard the verdict? Any normal person would have been far more devastated and sad. She was just angry and it showed in her interviews after this bashing Travis yet again. She was vivid and that was the only emotion she ever showed.

The comment is hilarious .

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Originally Posted by secretk (View Post) Sadly that's the reality . She cares only about herself. The only tears we will see from her will be about her. And even then she will be restrained. Remember how she acted once she heard the verdict? Any normal person would have been far more devastated and sad. She was just angry and it showed in her interviews after this bashing Travis yet again. She was vivid and that was the only emotion she ever showed. The comment is hilarious .

So true about the verdict. Great example. She was angry, we saw it plain as day. She couldn't have cared less how his family was feeling or sadly even how her very own family was feeling. It was all about her.

That quote is the best.

Oh man day 29 is so good... I forgot how good day 29 is once Martinez gets ahold of her again after the first set of jury questions. He nails her for her lying about the pedophilia. It's just his brilliance and his way with words. He absolutely exposed her as a liar. Then I feel like she thought the gas cans were completely done and over with but Martinez brings them up again. He exposes her big time. She looks like she is mentally murdering him given those cold eyes. I love how he asked her a question about when she was in Utah and suddenly her memory is foggy and she doesn't remember. He says we will specifically take a look at the receipts again. He shows plain as day she made three purchases at a gas station. He proves that one receipt was for the two gas cans, another was for her car, and the third receipt was for the third gas can that she cannot explain away. The math, the gallons, the price of the gas, and how it equaled an exact 5 gallon gas can which proved she had three, not two, is the absolute crushing last punch Juan gave and she knows it. He proves on this very day she had 3 gas cans and there's nothing she can do to talk her way out of it. She honestly looks like she is thinking about the best way she could murder him. It is so awesome. I just feel like there's Light against Dark and the Light is winning... Juan is pulling everything together, she knows it and can't do a damn thing to stop it. It's so sweet.

ETA:

J Rodriguez Anybody still following this case in 2016? I play it every night! I never get tired of Juan.

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Actually day 29 is when Juan was just warming up. He was hitting on all the groundwork. Day 30 is when he won the case. Hand him the championship trophy.

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I love when Martinez gets her on the gas cans. He has 100% proof she used three gas cans in Utah like I mentioned. Also, she let it slip that she didn't know where the knife was after they supposedly used it to cut the rope for a sexual encounter. First off, there was no rope and no cutting of the rope on June 4th before she slaughtered him. She just said there was because she needed a reason for the knife to be conveniently in his bedroom or bathroom. Complete lie. However, Martinez still got her because even going along with her lie about a knife existing upstairs she let it slip she didn't know what Travis did with the knife after the rope with cut. Martinez called her out on it and said her scenario was impossible because in 62ish seconds she now expects the jury to believe that all of those things happened that she claimed happened, in addition to having to scramble around and find a knife she was unaware of its exact location. Man, he nailed her and both Kirk and Jennifer are squirming in their chairs, whispering, very obviously restless as a result of Martinez nailing her. What's amazing is you can tell Jodi isn't even that nervous, what she is is fuming with anger knowing he nailed her. The jury also couldn't have appreciated her sarcasm and the way that she talked back to Martinez. She's trying to come across as physically and emotionally abused, even somewhat sexually abused based on how she portrays it. Yet even when she knows he has her right where he wants her she's still filled with anger and sarcasm. Now of course it's natural for this lying murderer to deny everything. But it seems she was more focused on getting in jabs of sarcasm over trying to even cover up her lies. I think she knew she was cooked so it didn't matter. What matters the most was her very obvious loathing of Martinez.