[jediwands]

Welcome to OT2 Thread #102!


This is the second OT thread that focuses on shows, movies, music we love since Everwood ended.

This thread is about discussing shows, movies, and music. Bring over your opinions on latest episodes, discuss characters and storylines, movies you're watching, music you're listening to.

Shows Everwood members watch:

Michelle: Supergirl, The Flash, Riverdale, The 100, Chesapeake Shores

Betty: (past and present)
Past: ( Everwood, Friday Night Lights, Gilmore Girls, OTH, Parenthood) Present: Pretty Little Liars, Blue Bloods, The Blacklist, Supergirl, The 100, Grace & Frankie, Chesapeake Shores, Graham Norton Show, This Is Us

Ashley (AppleBehry22):
Gilmore Girls, One Tree Hill, Nip/Tuck, Roswell, Reba, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Lost

dawnie@:
Gilmore Girls, Lost, One Tree Hill, 24 ,Hell's Kitchen2

Alan (The Crow):
Once Upon a Time, Elementary, NCIS: LA, Scorpion, Gotham, Lucifer, Supergirl, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Brooklyn Nine-Nine, The Flash, Modern Family, blackish, Blindspot, Chicago PD, Lethal Weapon, Arrow, The 100, Rosewood, Pitch, Superstore, The Good Place, The Blacklist, MacGyver, Hawaii Five-0, Teen Wolf, Scream, Grimm, Baby Daddy, Stitchers, The Good Witch, Chesapeake Shores, Wynonna Earp, Mr Robot, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Daredevil, The Originals, iZombie, Riverdale, APB

Tos':
Mad Men, Dexter, Fringe, Chuck, Castle, Psych, Parks & Recreation, Community, Modern Family, How I Met Your Mother, Futurama, Being Human, White Collar, Louie, New Girl, Up All Night, Revenge, Person of Interest

Coffee:
Watch: Prison Break, Supernatural, House, Gilmore Girls
Want to watch but always miss it: Bones, Grey's Anatomy, Veronica Mars
Future Shows, I'm planning on watching: Jericho, Heroes..

own worst enemy:
Desperate Housewives, Brothers & Sisters, True Blood, Dexter, Weeds, Big Love, How I Met Your Mother, The Big Bang Theory, One Tree Hill, Gossip Girl, 90210, Smallville, Scrubs, Better Off Ted, Grey's Anatomy, Lost, Private Practice, Ugly Betty, The Office, 30 Rock, Top Chef, So You Think You Can Dance, The Hills, My Life on the D List, American Idol, Dollhouse, Mad Men, Nip/Tuck, Fringe
New shows: Melrose Place, The Beautiful Life, The Vampire Diaries, Flash Forward, Bored to Death, Glee

MrsBrown: The Office, Lost, Friday Night Lights, Brothers and Sisters, Battlestar Galactica

ShadowMagist: How I Met Your Mother, Greek, Smallville, Supernatural, Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters, Glee, Vampire Diaries, It's Always Raining In Philadelphia.

Thief Of Love: Mad Men, Psych, Gilmore Girls, The Office, Parks & Recreation

Shelby (Cowgirl08): Chuck, Friday Night Lights, 90210, One Tree Hill, Greek, Secret Life of the American Teenager, Make it or Break it, White Collar

Rolfi Cole: Outsourced, Modern Family, Castle, Chuck, Psych, The Mentalist, TVD, Community, House, Ghost Whisperer, Smallville, Supernatural

ForVanAngel: LOST, Gilmore Girls, Six Feet Under, Everwood, Friday Night Lights, The Wire, Dexter, Dawson’s Creek, Roswell, Seinfeld, Malcolm In The Middle, Scrubs, Breaking Bad, Parenthood, Home Improvement, Rescue Me, Mad Men, My So-Called Life, Parks and Recreation, Brothers & Sisters, Switched At Birth, Eli Stone, American Dreams, Community, Skins UK, The Big Bang Theory, One Tree Hill, The Shield, Alias, Freaks and Geeks, Party Of Five, Ally McBeal, Death Note, Lizzie McGuire, That ‘70s Show, The Middle, The L.A. Complex, The Hour, The Wonder Years, Wilfred US.

Blue Valentine: Modern family, Brothers and Sisters, Fringe, How I Met Your Mother, The Vampire Diaries, 90210, Nikita, One Tree Hill,
Favorite Shows: Everwood, Joan Of Arcadia.

Patricia: Law & Order: SVU, Nashville, Supernatural, One Tree Hill, Everwood, Gilmore Girls, Bones, Chasing Life, Castle, Pretty Little Liars, How To Get Away With Murder, Extreme Weight Loss, Girl Meets World, Grey's Anatomy, Wahlburgers.

LemonyPie: Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Frasier, Dawson's Creek, Revenge, Suburgatory, Hart of Dixie, The Middle, Modern Family, Dancing with the Stars, Community, Dexter, Against the Wall

Shu/ds44: Suits, Flash, Pitch, Chesapeake Shores, Empire, This is Us, Animal Kingdom, Queen Sugar,JTV, The Originals, Riverdale

Louisa C: Watched in full or almost: The OC, Veronica Mars, Gilmore Girls, Desperate Housewives, Monk, Medium, Parenthood, The Big Bang Theory, Everwood, Being Erica, Grey's Anatomy, Castle...

Purchased, but not yet started or only a few episodes/1st Season watched: Friday Night Lights, Drop Dead Diva, The Closer, Gossip Girl, Once Upon A Time, The Killing, New Girl, My Name Is Earl, Fame, Parks & Recreation, In Treatment, Damages, The Good Wife, Fringe, White Collar, How I met Your Mother, Dexter, Game Of Thrones, Pretty Little Liars, Smash, Lie To Me, Dawson's Creek, The Mentalist...

Alwayshappy: Shows that ended :
Gilmore Girls ( which is my absolute favorite EVER ), Charmed, Everwood, One Tree Hill, Dawson's Creek, The OC, Damages, The Closer, Desperate Housewives, Brothers & Sisters, Lost, Fringe ( although I'm not up to date yet ), Medium, Ghost Whisperer, Ally McBeal, Private Practice, Veronica Mars, In Treatment, Roswell & Sex and the City
Shows that are still airing :
The Good Wife, Grey's Anatomy ( those 2 are my favorite 2 shows on the air right now ), Revenge, Bones ( not up to date yet - I'm at the end of S6 ), Once Upon a Time ( not up to date-watching season 1 for first time ), Vampire Diaries, Criminal Minds, Big Bang Theory, How I Met Your Mother, Community, The Killing USA, Downton Abbey, Parenthood ( not up to date yet ), Bunheads, Switched at Birth ( not up to date ), Californication, True Blood, Suits ( not up to date ), Scandal ( not up to date ), Major Crimes ( not up to date ), Homeland & White Collar.

Jamie: Present: New Girl,Chicago PD, Suits, Better Call Saul, Scandal, Awkward, Undateable, Girls Past: (in addition to our Everwood of course), Breaking Bad, Revenge, Parenthood
One Tree Hill, Gossip Girl, Dawson's Creek, The Office, The O.C., Veronica Mars, Gilmore Girls

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Last posts from 101:

Originally Posted by Michelle Love how Ashley Benson is a SHIPPER of Haleb. She was so depressed and upset when MK told her the audience had to endure a temporary Haleb break up. She told MK to fix it, lol. She watched past Haleb vids and moments crying, upset over it and would do interviews and say as much. I've never seen an actor ship a pairing more. It was cute. So Ashley is just as happy as Haleb shippers:

Originally Posted by Betty I agree that Toby and Spencer were "off" and Toby was acting strange...forgetting that he invited Spencer and really not into her. He even looks like a bad guy...really disheveled.. I hope Toby is AD and AD is not someone I really care about. Frankly...Spencer is my least favorite Liar and I would be content if she ended up alone. She really doesn't need to have someone.

Originally Posted by Betty Pretty Little Liars 7.18 CHOOSE OR LOSE Tanner is really sadistic. She takes pleasure in psychologically torturing the girls. This town breeds detectives like this. They have the best mother/daughter relationship and the only mother/daughter relationship I like on this show. They are definitely very sweet together. Very funny the way their relationship got exposed and Hannah said, "It's about time." lol ??????? Is this something I should know? Was that the trunk or the engine? I thought She opened the front of the car.

Originally Posted by Shu People were more upset about the writers wasting a half a season on a pointless affair. His death was inevitable because this is based on historical events.

Originally Posted by Michelle I read that a lot of people dropped the show after his death. Someone on a Reign forum I believe on FF even said they didn't understand why people went there since it was expected and the show was mainly about her life. Was the affair based on historical events too?

Marlene King's quote (since it's bigger): http://www.fanforum.com/90522855-post298.html

Originally Posted by Michelle ^^^^ Some think the "watch" is a key there. Spencer sometimes has a watch on, sometimes doesn't. I don't know if this is anything or not. Also, MK claims that by the time we hit 7.19 (which we are at right now), we should have a very, very good idea of who AD is.

[Forwood4Bamon]

ugh I'm not a fan of haleb.

[everwoodfan52]

Super thanks for the new thread, Michelle!

Originally Posted by pandiexjeyton (View Post) ugh I'm not a fan of haleb.

What? Why not?

[jediwands]

Pretty Little Liars

Originally Posted by Betty I agree that Toby and Spencer were "off" and Toby was acting strange...forgetting that he invited Spencer and really not into her. He even looks like a bad guy...really disheveled.. I hope Toby is AD and AD is not someone I really care about. Frankly...Spencer is my least favorite Liar and I would be content if she ended up alone. She really doesn't need to have someone.

It was VERY strange, indeed. Plus, even Keegan (Toby) said in a tweet some weeks back he can clearly say that Toby doesn't kiss Spencer again or something really weird like that. It's possible he said that because that's not really Spencer? He might have been trolling too but all I know is both Spencer and Toby in that scene looked off and very weird. Troian and Keegan have gobs of chemistry together, they cannot turn off the natural chemistry that exists between them. It's there! But you could tell they were trying to say something very clearly in that scene. Toby absolutely looked off and out there. I guess we are to assume he's upset over Yvonne but it seemed way more than that. He invited Spencer there, then seemed surprised she showed up, like he didn't remember, or wasn't even happy she was there. Spencer walked in and looked like she was ready to seduce him. She was on a mission, looked very forward and strange. Even Toby said to her when she blew off the police almost ready to arrest them that it didn't sound like the Spencer he knew. That has to be a clue as well. Either Toby is AD/working for AD or that's not really Spencer (either a twin or AD in a mask) but something was extremely off about that scene. I also don't think it was a coincidence that the scene was thrown in there with the other three pairings either... Haleb are sweet as heck, getting married, Aria and Ezra are romantic, getting ready to marry, Emily and Alison looked very cute finally getting together, very happy and at peace. Spencer/Toby, by comparison didn't resemble any of those three pairings.

Spencer... well, Melissa said it best when she told her a while back she loved to move in on men who were taken, usually taken by someone close to her. Remember how she had something going on with both Ian and Wren while Melissa dated Ian and was even engaged to Wren? She also cheated on Toby, I believe twice with other people, emotionally and kissing the one. She then did the unthinkable and went for it with Caleb KNOWING Hanna wasn't over Caleb. She even had an emotional love affair with Caleb in Europe while Hanna had no idea where Caleb was or that Spencer was with him years before Spencer fessed up she had romantic feelings and wanted to be with Caleb. What Spencer did to Hanna was sickening, stab in her back, cold. I don't give a rip if Hanna lied and said she was okay with it. Spencer knew better! Then remember Spencer immediately bedded Marco at the hotel while revealing to him, a detective, that they buried a body in such an obvious way. She essentially cheated on Caleb as well with Marco too. She also kissed Toby right before Toby and Yvonne got into the car accident. Spencer has a history of not caring about the feelings of those close to her when it comes to which man she wants to get her claws into. I have never liked this about her. You can say maybe this is her twin since the time jump and the twin was with Caleb. Maybe, but I don't believe the twin was with all of these other men so this was at the very least, some Spencer and most probably all Spencer. Not cool. I like Spencer but this part of Spencer I highly dislike.

As for Toby... I lost a lot of respect for him when he went behind Spencer's back, essentially drove her crazy, while becoming A in season 3. That was heartless even if he claims he was trying to protect her. He drove Spencer to Radley, he had Spencer go to the A Team because she was so desperate.

So Spencer and Toby have definitely had their share of issues and really bad moments too. I don't like Spoby nearly as much as I love Haleb as a result but I still like them, mainly because I like the chemistry and I couldn't imagine who else Spencer would end up with. Some are speculating Wren. It's a book thing and there's speculation Wren saves her life in the finale. We know Wren has always had a deep crush on Spencer too.

I guess we'll have to wait and see if Spencer has a twin or Toby is working for the dark side, maybe both. We'll see.

Pretty Little Liars 7.18 CHOOSE OR LOSE

Tanner is really sadistic. She takes pleasure in psychologically torturing the girls. This town breeds detectives like this.

Right?!! How does she continue on with this torture when she knows she was dead wrong about the dollhouse thing. She accused them until the very end then realized she was wrong and they were tortured in the dollhouse. It would seem logical that she'd assume EVEN if they had something to do with Archer's death, there has to be a damn good reason, maybe self defense, given everything they have been through. I can't stand her. The detectives are either like her, horrible, or men who even have romantic attractions to underage girls like Wilden and Garrett.

They have the best mother/daughter relationship and the only mother/daughter relationship I like on this show.

I agree! Hanna and Ashley are epic. Seriously, they have been close and shared so many emotional scenes throughout the years. I just love them. I also love how Ashley never warmed up to Jordan. She always wanted Hanna with Caleb and was never accepting Jordan.

They are definitely very sweet together. Very funny the way their relationship got exposed and Hannah said, "It's about time." lol

I know!

Seriously, I really like Emily and Alison. They are very sweet like you said. It's very pure, innocent and real. Sasha and Shay have a lot of chemistry. I actually think they have way more chemistry than Shay and Lindsey (Emily and Paige). Definitely pleasantly surprised about Emily/Alison. Like them!

??????? Is this something I should know?

Nope, pure, 100% speculation on my end. I am most likely dead wrong!

Was that the trunk or the engine? I thought She opened the front of the car.

Maybe you're right?!! I assumed trunk but would have to watch more closely.

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Originally Posted by pandiexjeyton (View Post) ugh I'm not a fan of haleb.

Haleb's the most healthy romantic pairing on the show.

I think you like Lucas/Hanna. That would never work for me since Lucas basically guilted her, went completely nuts when Hanna never returned the romantic feelings for him. That was so weird, it grossed me out. Hanna couldn't help how she felt.

I love the Hanna/Lucas friendship, it is very sweet, but Hanna's never had romantic feelings for Lucas. You can't force something that isn't there.

[ds44]

The affair never happened and the code stuff was related to charles-- francis' s crazy baby brother. They had Mary raped to justify the affair which is why most people left not because francis died. We all knew that as coming but they got rid of conde only to kill francis five episodes later.

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Originally Posted by ds44 (View Post) The affair never happened and the code stuff was related to charles-- francis' s crazy baby brother. They had Mary raped to justify the affair which is why most people left not because francis died. We all knew that as coming but they got rid of conde only to kill francis five episodes later.

Wow, stupid. That's right, I remember the rape part. Is that when you stopped watching? So the rape never happened in real life, right?

[ds44]

Originally Posted by The Apt (View Post) Wow, stupid. That's right, I remember the rape part. Is that when you stopped watching? So the rape never happened in real life, right?

No it didn't. I stopped watching after the rape cause it was triggering. I think people are unfair and blame francis dying when it was really the antifeminist writing in s2 which the apparently fixed in s3. I plan on watching s3/4.

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Originally Posted by ds44 (View Post) No it didn't. I stopped watching after the rape cause it was triggering. I think people are unfair and blame francis dying when it was really the antifeminist writing in s2 which the apparently fixed in s3. I plan on watching s3/4.

Got it. Very cool you can now go back and watch what you missed knowing you got an ideal ending.

[ds44]

Originally Posted by The Apt (View Post) Got it. Very cool you can now go back and watch what you missed knowing you got an ideal ending.

It's nice to know Mary found happiness in the afterlife. You should watch it. It's on Netflix usa

[secretk]

Thanks for the new thread Michelle!

[jediwands]

You're welcome!

Originally Posted by ds44 (View Post) It's nice to know Mary found happiness in the afterlife. You should watch it. It's on Netflix usa

I should. I bet I'd like the series.

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Originally Posted by The Apt (View Post) You're welcome! I should. I bet I'd like the series.

If you like the 100 you will like this. It's just strong women in a diff ers

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Originally Posted by ds44 (View Post) If you like the 100 you will like this. It's just strong women in a diff ers

I'm already intrigued.

Have to watch Reign and also Felicity.