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Madison pregnancy revelation: Would you have wanted to see a different end result?
First of all, did you like the end result of neither Madison or Ephram being a part of the childs life and the baby with adoptive parents? Or would you have wanted a different resolution instead? Did you like the fact that Madison put the baby up for adoption but you still wanted Ephram to be a part of the childs life, at least eventually? Would you have preferred Madison had kept the baby and Ephram could have gone with the responsible child support route along with being a part of the childs life?
For me, even as a diehard Ephram/Amy fan I was disappointed that Ephram never had the chance to explore the options he had as a father. Those were taken away from him and yes, even if I believe Ephram handled things poorly whenever finding out about all of this, it was very disappointing that he was entirely clueless throughout this entire situation. An alternative scenario could have been Madison keeping the baby with Ephram paying child support and having the opportunity to be in his childs life. And no, Ephram/Madison would have never revisited romance, that was dead and buried. Ephram and Amy were IT, period, so this wouldn't have been about a triangle or anything ridiculous like that. But I wouldn't have minded a scenario where Madison and Ephram were both parents but separately. This happens all the time in real life. Another option would have been if Madison wanted to still give up the baby for adoption Andy could have stepped in and helped Ephram take care of their grandchild/child as well. That could have been very interesting to see, having all three generations under the same roof. Actually in thinking about it, I really don't know ultimately how this storyline could have sufficiently gone down but all I do know is that I didn't necessarily love the fact that Ephram had zero say in the matter until way after the fact. Which brings me to thinking about other options of how this could have been avoided. Thoughts? |
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For me, I would have liked to see an open adoption scenario. I don't think either were ready to take care of a child, but I think Ephram, at least, would have liked to be a part of the child's life, especially because he had no part in any of the decisions while Madison was pregnant. That way, he would be able to decide what he wanted to do, instead of having been completely shut out of the entire thing, and having a kid out there he will never know.
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Can I have a different beginning result? Like, say, um, no Madison baby drama at all, please?
I'm not really sure what I really would have changed. I was so furious at this storyline, that now that the show's over and it all kind of worked out for Ephram in the end (becoming more mature, phoning Madison to apologize, all good stuff as a result of this journey), I don't know. I do think the baby storyline was not finished, if the show had gone long enough Ephram would have met his son, or would have been so curious to actually go himself to see the baby. I don't believe for a second that Ephram would have just completely shut himself out of that. Especially the mature version that we saw in season four. I don't think he's ready by any means to be a father, but maybe by season five he would have been ready to see his son. But yeah, as far as changing it..I'm not sure what I would have liked to have seen. Ephram being more involved in the process would have been nice, obviously. Good question. I think the Madison stuff..I don't know, again, I was absolutely furious when she said she was pregnant and Andy keeping it a secret; I thought it was teenage soap opera crap that was not Everwood and I still believe that so very much and I remember critics saying as much, but knowing what happens and the positive influence it has on Ephram and Ephram and Andy's relationship and even Amy and Ephram's relationship after Ephram returns to Everwood, it's hard for me to get too too furious at it all now. I don't think I ever answered the question in my whole post. But there's some thoughts somewhat related to it all. __________________
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But you're so right about how this storyline was good in that Ephram matured so much and his relationships with both Andy and Amy evolved for the better as well. |
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I guess they really needed a reason to have Ephram not go to his Julliard audition. If he auditioned, then he would have to be accepted. Everwood fans knew how talented he was and how hard he worked.....so we wouldn't have accepted any rejection on Julliard's part.
I only wish that the timing of the pregnancy was different and that Andy and he found out about it right after the audition. Of course, he would be accepted by Julliard. Ephram would then have to make a decision. Naturally, Ephram being the amazing human being that he was, would decide to defer Julliard and stick by Madison...in the same way that Amy deferred Princeton to stay and help her mom. This pregnancy and baby would have put a strain on Amy and his relationship. The writers needed that strain to keep the story interesting.They couldn't have Ephram and Amy get together too soon. I would have really loved to see Delia as an aunt. How adorable would that be. PS This would have been a great question for the Writers' Thread. Last edited by everwoodfan52; 06-30-2008 at 12:10 PM |
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But yeah, I'm now suddenly really curious what they were planning with Madison. Was everyone else already curious and the curiosity is just now hitting me? Quote:
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Wow I never realized how there would have been three baby storylines until you just pointed it out, Tos. And Betty, good point about Madisongate being a means for Ephram not going to Juilliard. Oh yeah, most definitely. What I rather have seen instead of the baby storyline would have been showing the progress Ephram made in that throughout all of season 1 here was this kid with purple hair who would have given anything to get back to NYC. He didn't want to be in Everwood. Period. What would have been neat could have been seeing Ephram go through the Juilliard audition, getting accepted THEN Ephram making his own decision that: A) Ultimately Everwood was his new home and he preferred going to a piano school closer to home B) Classical piano wasn't really his gig, jazz was, so while the Juilliard training would have been priceless, ulitmately he wanted a more well rounded college education I would have loved seeing this take place, Ephram making his own choice. Not having uncontrollable circumstances dictate his decisions. Quote:
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Part of me still finds it odd that Madison listened to Andy in the first place. Here was a girl who had zero problem kicking both Andy and Ephram's asses in, ranting away at them in season 2 then she gets pregnant with Ephram's child and suddenly she's all meek and falls off the face of the earth listening to Andy as if his word was all that mattered? I found that a bit unrealistic. Last edited by jediwands; 07-05-2008 at 08:25 PM |
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Jumping in here to say excellent posts, everyone.
Great topic. Thanks for thinking of it, Mitch. I also found it ridiculously unrealistic that Madison even listened to Andy and that's kind of why I blame Madison even more than Andy in the lame decision to keep the pregnancy from Ephram to be brutally honest here. Andy didn't hold a gun to her head saying if she told Ephram she was going to be in grave danger. Andy gave his suggestion to her, yes he sounded convincing and all, but he never told her what she had to do ultimately. In my mind it was always Madison's decision alone in deciding not to tell Ephram. Maybe there's a bias coming in here since I couldn't stand the sight of Madison. But really, I do believe Madison held all the cards, she made the decisions. And to answer how I would have handled this storyline? I agree that even if this storyline sucked the big one, Andy/Ephram and Ephram/Amy grew from it and in the end it wasn't absolutely devastating to endure, though Ephram's treatment of Amy and their break up was. Overall, though, I wish this storyline never existed. It was pretty dense if you ask me. Everwood was not about cheap drama and that's always how I viewed this storyline... as cheap drama. This show was not called One Tree Hill, it was called Everwood. |
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Anyhow.. it was interesting in the fic, having the three under the same roof. Although I hadn't decided whether or not to make it his, most likely the reason it is left unfinished... __________________
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You know what, Ashley, I totally remember you mentioning this fic idea on AIM, man, years back. Roughly 3 years ago since I remember it was whenever Angela were just getting started or soon after that. I remember it clearly that you had this idea and explained it to me while I was cheering you on to get going with it. You really should write it up, that'd be awesome! We also really should talk on AIM again soon, dude.
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Well, I think Ephram suddenly forgiving Madison while it showed huge maturity on Ephram's part since season 4 for Ephram, one of the main themes, was all about Ephram going from boy to man was also a very convenient way to almost place the blame back on Ephram combined with opening the door for her possible return in the future. So I think it was a mix of showing Ephram's maturity and leaving that door open which made me cringe a bit, the part about her possibly returning. The placing some blame on Ephram wasn't totally deserved although I could be off on this take for sure. How Ephram treated Andy before the audition was completely hard on the eyes and entirely unnecessary and I blame Ephram for that, I also think that Ephram had no reason to necessarily forgive Madison for the situation, though. I didn't see the point past making her somewhat of a victim especially if she were to return. It was all just weird, that phone call. I don't know why but it bothered me on some level. I didn't think it was necessary or maybe a better way to state it is I didn't understand the POINT to it. I guess in thinking about it more a message being sent in that episode was also to prove that Ephram loved Amy even throughout his stupid band lie and to forgive Madison was almost poetically saying that she was out of his life and there were no hard feelings since he was moving on. So I guess I just contradicted myself big time with this explanation. But I guess that's our Everwood for you, there's many answers because no subject was ever a simple, easy one. Which is why this show was so damn amazing and real. Quote:
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She took Andy's advice....even though it was lousy advice! Quote:
He realized that she went through a lot having a baby on her own...no help....and she did that because she listened to his dad. Ephram realized that Andy was mostly to blame, and since he had forgiven Andy (after realizing what it's like to try to protect a loved one from harm because of his experience with Kyle) he had to forgive Madison. Last edited by everwoodfan52; 08-14-2008 at 10:45 AM |
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LOL me i would have loved to see madison come back and ephram be the mature man he became in season four knowing the writers there prbably would have been some angst between teh two but ultimately in the end it would still be ephram/amy. THis show still had enough to go a few more seasons unfortunately we lost it it could have been great. But on the bright side sarah lancaster(madison) would probably still be doing everwood and not chuck so wooo lol
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Madison would see what a terrific, mature guy Ephram had become (although, to me, he was always terrific!). She wouldn't act on her feelings....but we'd be able to tell by the way she would look at Ephram. Kind of like the way she looked at him the first time he tried to rewrite her music (lustful admiration!) Ephram, on the other hand, would be oblivious and gloriously in love with Amy! |
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