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Old 03-04-2022, 04:16 PM
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Everwood writers should've schooled them in proper storyline etiquette
Well, Everwood started toward the end of Dawson's Creek's run, and Greg Berlanti, who had been involved with Dawson's Creek, learned his lessons from that show and what not to do and he created something wonderful with Everwood.
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Greg Berlanti definitely learned from Dawson’s Creek.

Unfortunately, Kevin Williamson did not.
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I liked Joey in S1 but I agree, she upset me with how she treated Jen. I did think for a newcomer KH did pretty good in S1. The scene with her dad at the prison at night really was good acting on her part.
I agree. KH played Joey like a small-town girl in love with her best friend and always thought she would never be good enough to be on his arm because he liked experienced girls like Jen and girls who are blond. That's who Joey Potter was.

Then Season 3 happened and so on and so forth, you could tell she cared more about being pretty than doing the real, emotional dialogue which sometimes is not pretty at all. She wanted to be the hero and victorious and not just the actor doing their job no matter how ugly it got.

I think that honor went to Michelle Williams who knocked everything out of the park and didn't care if her hair was straight or curly or if her makeup still looked good by the end of her scene. She was Jen Lindley and she played the character was a lot of heart and a lot of depth. Same for all the other female characters on there.

I think Audrey would've been extremely unlikeable and possibly written out if it weren't for the charm Busy Phillips bought to the character. I was annoyed with Audrey most of the time but Busy bought it back home and she became likeable again...relatable with having issues with her mom, struggling with self-confidence and just wanting to belong in a life she never felt like she did. That's relatable and Busy knocked it out of the park effortlessly.
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It astounds me TPTB had to have known what a gem they had with Michelle Williams but they just didn’t seem to care.

I agree about Busy. She was very good. So much so, I think TPTB were fearful she was too much of a magnet on the screen which would take away the attention from Katie/Joey. I think that’s why they stopped Audrey’s comedy from being so prevalent.
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Twice the writers broke up Pacey and Joey toward the end of a season. Seasons 4 and 6. Both times Andie reappeared after a period of time. Both times Pacey and Andie had sincere talks which indicated they were most likely resume their relationship. The Pacey/Joey break ups were of the sort you don't comeback from.

Season 6's Andie scenes were cut to validate the ridiculous Pacey/Joey ending. KW originally wanted Meredith Monroe for 2 or 3 weeks, but she could only give him one day. She was filming something I think in L.A. So she busts her ass to get there and back to her job only to have her scenes cut. Yes I know they were inserted on one of the DVD release.

Jerry, I agree Meredith Monroe was gorgeous in the hospital scenes. A bit of trivia, Meredith Monroe insisted she appear as she normally appears. No more braids and clunky clothes. You now can see why they damped down her looks during the series. Katie never would have had a chance against her

Also Jerry, remember how she looked in the movie "The One."

Anyway one can see that there were no plans for a Pacey/Joey finish, and why would a guy who basically had nothing to do with Joey for 7 years drop his life, just because she said "I choose you"?
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It astounds me TPTB had to have known what a gem they had with Michelle Williams but they just didn’t seem to care.
I know, exactly. She got the last laugh though as she's now a highly regarded award winning actress while Katie Holmes is nothing but tabloid fodder.

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I agree about Busy. She was very good. So much so, I think TPTB were fearful she was too much of a magnet on the screen which would take away the attention from Katie/Joey. I think that’s why they stopped Audrey’s comedy from being so prevalent.
I completely agree. They destroyed Audrey when they hooked her up with Pacey. Like Andie, she was a breath of fresh air on the show, but also like Andie, they destroyed her character and she went from a funny and delightful character to a bitter nasty drunk, because she took some of the attention away from the IT Girl.
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Old 03-05-2022, 09:53 AM
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Twice the writers broke up Pacey and Joey toward the end of a season. Seasons 4 and 6. Both times Andie reappeared after a period of time. Both times Pacey and Andie had sincere talks which indicated they were most likely resume their relationship. The Pacey/Joey break ups were of the sort you don't comeback from.
Excellent points. Yes, Andie did reappear whenever Pacey and Joey broke up, and it showed that Andie was the one that Pacey was meant to be with, not Joey. Both of Pacey and Joey's breakups were nasty and final, so them ending up together in the Series Finale was totally tacked on.

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Season 6's Andie scenes were cut to validate the ridiculous Pacey/Joey ending. KW originally wanted Meredith Monroe for 2 or 3 weeks, but she could only give him one day. She was filming something I think in L.A. So she busts her ass to get there and back to her job only to have her scenes cut. Yes I know they were inserted on one of the DVD release.
From the beginning to the end, Andie and Meredith Monroe were treated horribly by the writers and producers of the show.

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Jerry, I agree Meredith Monroe was gorgeous in the hospital scenes. A bit of trivia, Meredith Monroe insisted she appear as she normally appears. No more braids and clunky clothes. You now can see why they damped down her looks during the series. Katie never would have had a chance against her

Also Jerry, remember how she looked in the movie "The One."
I completely agree with all of this. Meredith Monroe was and is beautiful, but they toned down her looks so she wouldn't outshine the It Girl.

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Anyway one can see that there were no plans for a Pacey/Joey finish, and why would a guy who basically had nothing to do with Joey for 7 years drop his life, just because she said "I choose you"?
Exactly. That's a good point. Pacey uprooted his life to be with Joey at the end. Ridiculous.
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Twice the writers broke up Pacey and Joey toward the end of a season. Seasons 4 and 6. Both times Andie reappeared after a period of time. Both times Pacey and Andie had sincere talks which indicated they were most likely resume their relationship. The Pacey/Joey break ups were of the sort you don't comeback from.
I know TPTB were stupid in many way but a pattern cannot be denied. It is clear Pacey/Joey were short-term and unhealthy. Pacey/Andie were the real deal and set up to eventually make it long-term. There was a distinct pattern.

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Season 6's Andie scenes were cut to validate the ridiculous Pacey/Joey ending. KW originally wanted Meredith Monroe for 2 or 3 weeks, but she could only give him one day. She was filming something I think in L.A. So she busts her ass to get there and back to her job only to have her scenes cut. Yes I know they were inserted on one of the DVD release.
Maddening.

Damn, you have to wonder what might have happened if Meredith could have become available for two or three weeks. Of course it’s not her fault. But I have a feeling if her availability would have been precisely what Williamson desired there’s no way they would have deleted all of her scenes and Pacey/Andie. Way too much material and believability.

That said, I am a big believer in meant to be and for whatever reason the show was always meant to have a ridiculous, nonsensical ending which is precisely what we received. So at the end of the day we can sit here and wonder about Meredith’s availability and James demanding hardly any Dawson in S6. Fact of the matter is this show was meant to frustrate the hell out of us with that bogus ending.

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Jerry, I agree Meredith Monroe was gorgeous in the hospital scenes. A bit of trivia, Meredith Monroe insisted she appear as she normally appears. No more braids and clunky clothes. You now can see why they damped down her looks during the series. Katie never would have had a chance against her

Also Jerry, remember how she looked in the movie "The One."

Anyway one can see that there were no plans for a Pacey/Joey finish, and why would a guy who basically had nothing to do with Joey for 7 years drop his life, just because she said "I choose you"?
It doesn’t make any sense. Williamson was either influenced by Stupin or he was incorrect in thinking Pacey/Joey had realness and were capable of endgame. I don’t really know precisely what happened to change his mind but it was a huge mistake which made the show laughable.
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I know, exactly. She got the last laugh though as she's now a highly regarded award winning actress while Katie Holmes is nothing but tabloid fodder.
Big time. TPTB understand this which is great.

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I completely agree. They destroyed Audrey when they hooked her up with Pacey. Like Andie, she was a breath of fresh air on the show, but also like Andie, they destroyed her character and she went from a funny and delightful character to a bitter nasty drunk, because she took some of the attention away from the IT Girl.
That’s precisely why. I think both Busy and Michelle think like us too.
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Kinda a sad question, how did everyone feel the summer after the S3 finale? I was pretty devastated over what the show became in S3 especially with the end of the season. I actually dreaded S4 starting because of P/J but I did love how Dawson,Jen,Andie and Jack became so close during the summer.
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Kinda a sad question, how did everyone feel the summer after the S3 finale? I was pretty devastated over what the show became in S3 especially with the end of the season. I actually dreaded S4 starting because of P/J but I did love how Dawson,Jen,Andie and Jack became so close during the summer.
I debated on whether or not to stop watching. I was sickened. It wasn't just about the joke of a season 3 finale either. While thinking about S3 as a whole and comparing it to the first two seasons it was obvious the show wasn't the same and most likely never would go back to the magic the first two seasons had. Technically, only S1 was good from start to finish but S2 had PA so I will include S2.

However, post S2, this series turned into a different one... the quality dropped severely and never returned. I strongly considered dropping the show after the finale of 3 aired but stuck around because I never imagined for even a second even if the quality dropped, that DJ wouldn't find their way back. So I kept watching and it turned out being the biggest mistake as a TV viewer I ever made. The one good thing it brought me was finding since the benefits were endless... lifelong friends and even finding the love of my life.

But just focusing in on a pure viewing experience... continuing to watch Dawson's Creek past S2 was my biggest waste of time by far.
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Kinda a sad question, how did everyone feel the summer after the S3 finale? I was pretty devastated over what the show became in S3 especially with the end of the season. I actually dreaded S4 starting because of P/J but I did love how Dawson,Jen,Andie and Jack became so close during the summer.
I was so disappointed that Summer, and I dreaded Season Four, but I kept watching mainly because I was the moderator of the Dawson's Creek board at the time. My whole experience here changed though as the Pacey and Joey fans came in to cause trouble and they did everything they could to try and get me in trouble and they made it very difficult for me to moderate the Dawson's Creek board here as the board became a war zone.
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I was reading an article about actors that were cut from movies, and this was included:

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Cursed, the werewolf horror movie by Scream director Wes Craven and screenwriter Kevin Williamson, suffered a plague of problems from the start. Shooting commenced and, with the majority of the film in the can, production came to a halt. Script issues were cited as the cause of the delay, which led to many actors unable to return a year later for the re-shoots. Following a huge overhaul and complete rewrite, Skeet Ulrich, James Brolin, Illeana Douglas, Robert Forster, Omar Epps, Heather Langenkamp, Scott Foley, Mandy Moore, and Corey Feldman were all excised.
This just shows, once again, that Kevin Williamson is a hack.
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This just shows, once again, that Kevin Williamson is a hack.
Wow, thanks for this, Jerry.

What a mess, what a pattern and not a good one for Williamson. He has a brilliant creative mind but he’s lazy, not loyal or dedicated in the least and this has persisted throughout many projects over the years. What a shame.
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Andie knew it was way too good to be true. Of course this was how the night was going to end, because let's face it, this was just the type of wretched, miserable luck she had. Why on earth should she ever put her heart on the line again? She mentally was throttling herself for ever accepting Pacey's offer to go out on a platonic date, pretending the offer didn't reignite something inside her she thought was forever extinguished, lured in by old, unresolved feelings.

The party, when it was at its height, was wonderful and the exact kind of diversion Andie needed. Lively, rambling conversations going from this topic to the next filled the space, Andie's throat getting slightly hoarse from speaking over the raucous crowd around her inner circle. Although all of it dissolved into innocuous white noise when she begun to clock how Pacey was glancing at her whenever she spoke up. It had to be a trick of the light because she recognized those adoring looks before, the ones he used to give her when they were still hot and heavy for each other...and those looks would have been much easier to shrug off if they hadn't come packaged with casual, intimate touching.

Andie needed to snap out of it, heading to the bathroom to splash some ice cold water on her face, trying to put the brakes on. Her pulse raced, thoughts and emotions bouncing off the walls in a myriad of different directions, wondering what this all meant, but smiling despite herself. If this was Pacey's way of telling her he wanted to try things with her again, who was she to deny how thrilled she was over it? Andie rushed out of the bathroom, looking to take Pacey aside and talk to him...but then her entire heart was torn out of her chest when she spotted Pacey kissing Joey's cheek, rubbing her arm affectionately.

Andie couldn't breathe, developing a headache to where the thumping, heavy laden bass music became a hammer against her head, frantically searching for the exit. Disoriented, Andie dashed outside into the frigid, pouring rain, hugging herself to keep warm as hot, angry tears fell from her eyes. She had just enough sense to hail a cab, making sure to text her brother to tell him where she was going, telling the cabbie to drive her back home.

In the span of only seconds, Andie was numb to everything around her: the cabbie waving his hefty hand in front of her face, trying in vain to get her attention and wondering what was causing her to be so crestfallen, the loud talk show crackling out of his old, beat up radio, how her makeup had turned into a smudgy mess...and a soaking wet Pacey Witter chasing after the cab as it took its leave from the night club's parking lot.
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