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TL22 · 05-19-2020, 09:45 PM

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Thanks, Tony!

That’s our next title.

Thank you Auror

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That's a great thread title suggestion.

And thank you Jerry.

**jediwands** · 05-19-2020, 10:23 PM

Now we just have to finish up this thread to get to the new one.

SunnyOiler35 · 05-20-2020, 08:56 AM

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I have never read that story. Finding a story on Fanfiction can be tricky. You have the search box which you can search by author or title, but I think you already know that.

Another is to go to the Dawson Creek section and you will see a box marked FILTERS.

There's various fields you can fill out to help you find the story. The most common is by the characters names.

A problem is that many stories are taken down by their authors for various reasons.

You can always scan through the entire .list of Dawson Creek stories. There is only 1.4K of them. I don't think you want to find the story that bad.

Thanks I tried all of that so I am guessing that it has been removed or I simply cannot find it.

It was really one of the better stories I read, and would like to read it again

Ill keep looking though lol

thanks again

**jediwands** · 05-20-2020, 09:15 AM

I'm not sure how active Dawson/Joey fans are on the shipper thread on the Dawson's Creek board but maybe you could ask over there? Or if there is a thread that you can ask questions on, it might not hurt to ask a general question and maybe someone there knows about the fic.

TL22 · 05-20-2020, 10:47 AM

A series of posts on a D/J thread on the DC forum

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If you search on Google you will find tons of articles that talk about it. Even Katie last year hinted that the door for a revival is still open.

Yes I also read what Kevin said about it. I really don't understand all this "magic" and endless love between PJ. But what show have we seen in six years? Then another thing that makes me angry about what he said is that Dawson is always alone ... he has problems with his job, he hasn't found love. Always unlucky. So that a revival will really happen (I hope so much) I hope that another writer DJer can finally end the story as it should have been: DJo and Pacey Andie together. It would make a lot of sense to me that they found their way back together as adults. It would be a full circle.
omg it would be the perfect ending Pandie and DJo together forever
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No, I haven't heard about this haha yes, it would be way better without Kevin he said in an interview what his plans were if a DC reunion would happen and honestly I'm not a fan of his ideas at all

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If you search on Google you will find tons of articles that talk about it. Even Katie last year hinted that the door for a revival is still open.

Yes I also read what Kevin said about it. I really don't understand all this "magic" and endless love between PJ. But what show have we seen in six years? Then another thing that makes me angry about what he said is that Dawson is always alone ... he has problems with his job, he hasn't found love. Always unlucky. So that a revival will really happen (I hope so much) I hope that another writer DJer can finally end the story as it should have been: DJo and Pacey Andie together. It would make a lot of sense to me that they found their way back together as adults. It would be a full circle.
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No, I haven't heard about this haha yes, it would be way better without Kevin he said in an interview what his plans were if a DC reunion would happen and honestly I'm not a fan of his ideas at all

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Hello Sara and welcome to the thread hope you enjoy your stay

this poor ending makes no sense to me
Hi and thank you for the warm welcome! Dawson's Creek is a fantastic show, I rewatch it with pleasure... until those last two episodes come that ruined everything. Have you heard the rumors about a revival? Mary M. Humes said there is hope for it. Kevin Williamson said he wouldn't write it (maybe it's better given the ending he gave us) and that he would be happy if another writer did it ... what do you say? Could a revival eventually happen?
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Hello Sara and welcome to the thread hope you enjoy your stay

this poor ending makes no sense to me
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Hello everyone! My name is Sara, I am Italian. I am delighted to have found a thread that talks about this epic couple. I am consoled to know that I a'm not the only after all these years still has not digested the conclusion of Dawson's Creek. I could watch the show over and over again because there are so many amazing moments between DJo but that end just doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense when I was a teenager, and it doesn't make sense even less now that I'm watching the show as adult. Mainly because Williamson wrote a "forced" end. He wanted DJ in the end. So she came back with Pacey ... what was the purpose of the show? I am glad to be here with you, knowing your opinions and thoughts

I like what S@r@ has to say.

**jediwands** · 05-20-2020, 10:57 AM

^ I think I even remember these posts.

Yes, in the end there was no purpose. This series was initially built around a Dawson/Joey ending and without it, nothing made sense. The character of Pacey was essentially destroyed too and he actually received the most pathetic ending of any other character. No growth whatsoever or true happiness. The series was a complete failure which is why they could never consider a revival.

***Jerry D*** · 05-20-2020, 12:55 PM

The other day, I watched this video about the girl next door trope, and they had a clip of the Season One Scene where Joey told Dawson at the end of that Beauty Pageant that she wanted him to see her for who she was, "This is just hairspray and this is just lipstick, etc." and although it was a wonderful scene, when I look at it now, through admittedly biased eyes, Katie Holmes' acting was never really all that good, even in Season One, and it just got worse in the subsequent seasons when all the adulation she was receiving went to her head and she just played cutesy in all of her scenes.

**jediwands** · 05-20-2020, 01:06 PM

So true, Jerry. I remember first watching that scene and liking it due to really wanting Dawson and Joey together. But I was still never strongly moved by the scene because the acting wasn’t all that great. That said, I believe Katie had more chemistry with James just like I believe Josh had more with Meredith. Katie didn’t put effort at all into her scenes with Josh. They were so sugary sweet with this overly feminine “I am the boss” sort of tone; it made me roll my eyes.

Emily and Greg on Everwood move me in such a compelling way. The energy swirling around was so strong and emotional. Katie wasn’t capable of producing that kind of energy with anyone on the screen.

***Jerry D*** · 05-20-2020, 01:24 PM

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So true, Jerry. I remember first watching that scene and liking it due to really wanting Dawson and Joey together. But I was still never strongly moved by the scene because the acting wasn’t all that great. That said, I believe Katie had more chemistry with James just like I believe Josh had more with Meredith. Katie didn’t put effort at all into her scenes with Josh. They were so sugary sweet with this overly feminine “I am the boss” sort of tone; it made me roll my eyes.

That's so true. I was caught up in the magic of the show back then and I overlooked the fact that the acting was never all that good, but yes, Katie definitely had more chemistry with James and Josh had more chemistry with Meredith.

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Emily and Greg on Everwood move me in such a compelling way. The energy swirling around was so strong and emotional. Katie wasn’t capable of producing that kind of energy with anyone on the screen.

Emily and Greg's acting ability and the energy around them (like you said so perfectly) are light years away from what we saw on Dawson's Creek.

TL22 · 05-20-2020, 02:46 PM

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I think I even remember these posts.

Yes, in the end there was no purpose. This series was initially built around a Dawson/Joey ending and without it, nothing made sense. The character of Pacey was essentially destroyed too and he actually received the most pathetic ending of any other character. No growth whatsoever or true happiness. The series was a complete failure which is why they could never consider a revival.

I agree with your assessment of Pacey. They basically made a fool out of him

A girl he has had nothing to do with for seven years, says "I choose you" and he drops his life and moves in with Joey in NYC, in a apartment and a plasma TV Joey could not afford on her salary as an assistant editor. So I guess her boyfriend was financing their lifestyle.

What fool at the drop of a hat throws away all he has worked for; for a very fickle gvirlfriend. Who knows, Joey sees Dawson win an Oscar, and decides she now loves him. Yes Pacey was made out to be a weak willed sap at the end of the series.

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That's so true. I was caught up in the magic of the show back then and I overlooked the fact that the acting was never all that good, but yes, Katie definitely had more chemistry with James and Josh had more chemistry with Meredith

I agree. In fact if you had tuned into the series season two without watching season one; you would think that Pacey and Andie were the main characters

KW was taken by surprise when the series received a season two, and he made some good decisions and some bad ones. Maybe that is one of the reasons he and most of the writers left. They were overwhelmed. And look at season three and what a mess that was with stupid story lines that went nowhere. Eve as Jen's sister, give me a break. They wrote themselves into a corner and did not know what to do. So she just vanished.

**jediwands** · 05-20-2020, 03:10 PM

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That's so true. I was caught up in the magic of the show back then and I overlooked the fact that the acting was never all that good, but yes, Katie definitely had more chemistry with James and Josh had more chemistry with Meredith.

Emily and Greg's acting ability and the energy around them (like you said so perfectly) are light years away from what we saw on Dawson's Creek.

I was the same way. I was caught up in the magic of the show and definitely overlooked the acting and singing. LOL. I was also very new to the teen show thing. Before Dawson's Creek, the only other show I watched was Beverly Hills 90210. However, I do remember thinking that Shannen Doherty had better acting talent than Katie Holmes.

Yes, Emily/Greg and their Energy is on an entirely different level.

**jediwands** · 05-20-2020, 03:14 PM

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I agree with your assessment of Pacey. They basically made a fool out of him

A girl he has had nothing to do with for seven years, says "I choose you" and he drops his life and moves in with Joey in NYC, in a apartment and a plasma TV Joey could not afford on her salary as an assistant editor. So I guess her boyfriend was financing their lifestyle.

What fool at the drop of a hat throws away all he has worked for; for a very fickle gvirlfriend. Who knows, Joey sees Dawson win an Oscar, and decides she now loves him. Yes Pacey was made out to be a weak willed sap at the end of the series.

He really looked like a fool, his character was literally stomped on and thrown in the trash basically. I have no idea how any fan of Josh/Pacey thought it was a good ending for Pacey. It wasn't. I even read on Twitter today someone saying Pacey evolved the most on the show. What? LOL. What a false statement.

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I agree. In fact if you had tuned into the series season two without watching season one; you would think that Pacey and Andie were the main characters

Absolutely. They really did star in season 2.

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KW was taken by surprise when the series received a season two, and he made some good decisions and some bad ones. Maybe that is one of the reasons he and most of the writers left. They were overwhelmed. And look at season three and what a mess that was with stupid story lines that went nowhere. Eve as Jen's sister, give me a break. They wrote themselves into a corner and did not know what to do. So she just vanished.

Eve was such a pointless character.

Williamson, before he bailed, should have told TPTB that in his mind, Dawson and Joey needed to be the on again, off again pairing BUT to keep what worked which was the Pacey/Andie relationship as the centerpiece. That is what should have happened. Pacey/Andie together long term like a Nathan/Haley, working through issues but staying together. It was the biggest mistake of the show not going there.

***Jerry D*** · 05-20-2020, 03:35 PM

My understanding is that early Season Three was such a disaster that the fans rebelled and the head writer was fired, and the Eve storyline was scrapped.

What I hated the most about Season Three was the character destruction, especially of Andie's character. They did a real disservice to her and to the actress who played her.

**jediwands** · 05-20-2020, 03:38 PM

I can’t believe they ever thought the Eve storyline would be well received.

Major character destruction of both Dawson and Andie in order to facilitate the joke known as Pacey/Joey.

**jediwands** · 05-20-2020, 03:38 PM

New thread time.

Closing.

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