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Rewatch Overview

Acceptance




SUMMARY

When Jake's little brother comes to visit and confides he does not see a future for Jake and Nina, Jake seeks counsel from an unlikely source... Andy. Meanwhile, Amy is accepted into Princeton, but assumes her father was the one who secretly sent in her application, and Ephram and Amy make plans to spend an evening together, further confusing the status of their relationship.

SEASON
3

EPISODE
19

AIR DATE
May 2, 2005

WRITER
John E. Pogue

DIRECTOR
David Petrarca

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We will start 3.19 on August 7th.

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Sounds good!!!

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Thread is closed until then but decided to get it ready.

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Thoughts while watching episode

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DR. ABBOTT: There's one thing I know about you and Ephram. It's that's you have a remarkable pension for working things out.

^^^ I think this was inserted in the "Previously on Everwood" to reassure fans that while this is a brutal episode for Ephram and Amy, eventually they will recover so hang in there.

- Harold with the napkin tucked in is classic Harold.

- Harold commenting on Amy’s metabolism being high and her usual appetite healthy is so funny:

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DR. ABBOTT: Not hungry. When one is blessed with a metabolism of a finch and the appetite of a trucker, one should capitalize on it.

- Emily is gorgeous in the Harold and Amy scene... hair up, so naturally beautiful, she glows.

- Harold celebrating Princeton and Amy laughing is totally Tom and Emily over their characters.

- I actually do like the fact that Amy is focused on the college situation in this scene even if she’s upset over her situation with Ephram. It reminds me of the beginning of the season when she could not focus on anything but Ephram after he returned from New York and was acting strange and distant (the start of Ephram doing dumb things all season long). But this time around almost a year later Amy is more confident and focusing on other things too and not a wreck only because of him.

- Harold running outside celebrating is gold.

- Oh Bright, I LOVE YOU. Listen to Bright’s words about Amy:

BRIGHT: If you made it all the way to California. I mean you made it all the way to the kid's house, but you didn't knock. What's up with that? EPHRAM: I don't know. I mean I planned to, I had a speech prepared and everything... When I got there, it-it clicked, y'know, he-he-he wasn't my kid anymore. I mean, he-he was, but he wasn't, y'know. And if they care enough to adopt him, why should I ruin their lives just 'cause I'm feeling weird. BRIGHT: So, I mean, Amy wasn't totally wrong then. EPHRAM: What do you mean? BRIGHT: Nothing. It's just... Well, she basically told you not to go for all the reasons ultimately you decided not to knock. EPHRAM: Yeah, but I-I didn't know though I wasn't going to knock until I got there. I had-I had to be parked outside for me to figure out what my end result would be, just like you had to be fired twice before you finally realized what a screw-up you'd been. BRIGHT: Hey, I'm in the room. EPHRAM: No, I know, but seriously, I mean, come on. I mean, it wasn't enough that everybody was telling you to get your act together, you had to actually go and hit the wall yourself. In your case, the wall meant being slapped down by your mom. BRIGHT: Well, it's a pretty good wall. And all I'm sayin', is Amy tried to do the right thing, man. Y'know, maybe you can cut her some slack.

^ GO BRIGHT.

I’ve mentioned before Bright is this quiet Sage. Defending his sister is Bright in Sage-Mode. Bright’s words are Pure Gold while defending his sister. Based on the look on Ephram’s face deep down he knows it too.

- Andy looks extra interested in Jake’s brother. Brian is an arrogant prick. He might mean well as far as financially trying to help Jake but he went too far.

- Pippi wearing a pink Ohio State shirt is interesting. Never seen this Big Ten school in my native state in that color. LOL.

- Oh Betty, NJ Mafia.

- Pippi and Susie are Amy's friends. For some reason I don’t remember Pippi until now which is shocking because of the Ohio State clothing. You would think I would have remembered this about my home-state college team. LOL. I think it is because this episode is so sad at the end I don’t rewatch to often.

- Amy walking down the hall as Ephram sees her and she’s looking drop-dead gorgeous… how does he not immediately make sure that girl isn’t single anymore? Idiot, Ephram. Apology was great but there should have been an immediate I don’t want to lose you due to my actions because you weren’t wrong and I know practically the entire school would date you and want to be in my place...

- Rose… sick.

- Brian is horrible.

- Interesting hearing about Colorado being a past Red state. Granted, they found a way to elect Lauren Boebert but that’s House. Overall thankfully Colorado is way more Blue than Red in the present.

- Foreshadowing how Harold and Rose think Rose is pregnant right now. She’s not, as we know but after her cancer they actually do add to the family.

- Brian is terrible. I love how Nina has strength while interacting with him.

- Hannah and Amy shopping is so cute. They both think Ephram wants to get back together, Hannah is talking Eternal Ephramy and Amy thinks it’s going to be good. This scene is so sad knowing what is to come.

- It is amazing to me Rose knows if not pregnant something eise has to be wrong even if Harold thought stress-related (way to be misogynistic, Harold, even with your wife, thinking psychosomatic) and Jake is focused on pregnancy then said maybe menopause... wow. Yet Rose is sitting there with cancer in front of two MDs. I was thrown into post-surgical menopause (way worse than regular menopause) after hysterectomy and never had Rose’s symptoms. I had joint pain, horrible night sweats and hot flashes every two seconds, and many other issues but Rose doesn’t remotely seem like she’s battling menopause. Nice inaccurate theory that relates to women's hormones, Jake, you idiot.

- Hannah seems to really like Topher. I forgot they actually became a little thing for a while. I remembered they dated but forgot they actually dated a while before she got together with Bright.

- Ephram didn’t think his interaction with Amy at the locker was flirty and Amy might think more was going on? Really, Ephram? Didn’t you remember at the beginning of the season you confused Amy (even while you said stupid stuff to her) while Amy thought you were in limbo/maybe broken up yet you got all pissed she had school activities like she should have known that wasn't the case? Now you ask Amy to hang out after a horrible time, you know who Amy is, yet you're shocked when Bright tells you Amy thinks you're most likely getting back together? I think you live in a fantasyland sometimes, Ephram, that only makes sense to you and no one else.

- Amy looks so beautiful.

- Poor Andy taking in the tension at Jake’s place. Kind of odd he was invited actually. You should be working on your relationship with Delia, father.

- Andy’s face/reaction finding out Nina was/is in love with him is massive. Treat does such a good job of showing Andy’s internal emotional reaction. This is precisely why they had Andy around Nina and Jake heavily in this episode.

- So it is just fine Ephram wrote that essay for Amy’s Princeton application and he never told Amy? Ephram wrote the essay behind her back because he thought he was doing what was best for Amy and protecting her. Doesn't this sound familiar, Ephram?

- Amy is so heartbroken not having a clue what their night out means (as she is asking him to go to NY/NJ with her) and finding out he wrote that essay without telling her.

- The Infinity necklace is front and center as Amy is swallowing hard (literally, Emily swallows hard) taking in all the lies and confusion...

- I forgot that this scene when Amy finds out Ephram wrote the essay with Ephram lecturing her to not make any decisions about her future with him in mind anymore is just as bad as the scene at the Brown house. This scene is so awful. It is devastating.

- When Ephram asked to have coffee Amy should have declined, I would have.

- Notice the same exact music is playing in this scene that was playing when Ephram gave her the Infinity necklace many episodes ago. Heartbreaking. Gut-wrenching. Amy is standing there with her heart shattering, all over the sidewalk and Ephram is all chill and fine. Dude. Just dude. Sickening.

- Amy in her room remembering Ephram giving her the Infinity necklace is gut-wrenching.

- Jake said sweet things to Nina but he doesn’t realize he started the process of Andy realizing he needs to pursue a romantic relationship with Nina. LOL.

- I barely have words for this last scene between Ephram and Amy and how Ephram doesn’t see a forever when it goes against everything we’ve seen before this rotten time. Amy’s heart is not only shattering but it’s bleeding during this scene. I want to jump through the screen and tell Amy it is going to be okay. This is by far my least favorite scene of the entire series, not only because Amy is so heartbroken and in so much pain she can barely keep it together (even if she does just fine), but I truly believe it betrays and disrespects one of the main themes of the show. I am forced to accept this scene because it happens. But I refuse to believe that Ephram means what he says and is just fine destroying Amy’s heart here. I love how she put the necklace on the table. I only wish she wouldn’t have kissed his head because he didn’t deserve it. What a cruel and highly disturbing moment of the series.

- I remember first finding out Rose was going to have cancer before the episode aired live because I was already spoiled. This moment is highly charged and very sad. Poor Amy has no idea what’s next for her as if she doesn't already have a ton of pain to deal with.

- This is by far the most difficult episode for me to rewatch.


Thoughts after watching episode

Well, I was hopeful that I wouldn't feel as sad and frustrated while rewatching this one but that turned out not being the case.

I found it interesting that both Hannah and Amy assumed the forever and great things with Ephram and Amy were still going strong and in play. Hannah has been the voice of reason for Ephram and Amy. Even Hannah thought they were fine. I honestly think it was deliberate in that the writers wanted to showcase how messed up and flat out wrong Ephram was throughout the episode. Even Bright stepped up and told him that Amy did nothing wrong and she was right the entire time. I understand Ephram’s depression and feeling lost. What I don’t understand is his continued emotionless treatment of Amy. I just don’t get it and never will. I will never in one million years believe the things that he said to her and being just fine with seeing her heart breaking right in front of him. This is not the real Ephram! He mentioned he didn’t grow up that way in New York City as far as seeing fairytale happy endings. If that is the case why and the hell did he act like he believed in fairytale happy endings during S1? This was fresh off of living in New York City and losing a mother. Why would he fall so hard for Amy then? Make it make sense, writers. Ephram’s actions in this episode go against everything we have seen before this time. It is like someone who looks like Ephram exists but real Ephram’s Soul and Spirit are not there.

I never picked up on how misogynistic the moments are leading up until we find out Rose has a tumor and ultimately, cancer. Harold thought it was stress, her back pain, fatigue, and nausea. He is a medical doctor and her husband! Then when they thought she was pregnant he threw a fit and got mad because she wanted to take time to even digest the possibility of them having another baby. We get the other doctor involved too when Jake mentions maybe her symptoms are menopausal. I found it so bizarre. Like I said, I had a hysterectomy and was forced into post- surgical menopause which is 10 times as intense as regular menopause. I had terrible symptoms to the point of feeling like being in hell was better than being on earth. But I didn’t remotely have the type of symptoms Rose had. Her symptoms clearly indicated a need for further testing.

I mentioned that Bright brought out the Sage advice once again. I loved that Bright defended his sister. He told Ephram 100% truth.

Jake telling Andy that Nina fell in love with him was such a great moment. Treat Williams was fabulous showing Andy’s shock over the reveal. The irony is Jake literally set up a romantic relationship between Andy and Nina in the future. LOL. This moment is what stirred Andy, grabbed his attention, that big moment where a light shines and Andy has complete understanding. I love this so much. I don't like Nina and Jake very much. They are just kind of there. While I am happy Nina has this relationship with Jake before Andy, I still don't feel any chemistry between Nina and Jake and in this very episode, for as annoying and arrogant as Brian was, he kind of had a slight point about Jake's finances and if he was considering moving back to LA, cutting things off with Nina was the better option. Granted he said it in a very cruel way. But the interesting part of this is what does Jake end up doing in the series finale? He goes back to precisely where Brian suggested he return in the present. It is very interesting.

Nina and Jake telling each other I Love You really did nothing for me. I do not hate Nina and Jake as I said... I see them as a relationship after Nina's divorce and before she ends up with Andy long-term. That said, I sure wish it would have ended well before it finally concludes.

As mentioned, I didn’t realize how long Hannah actually dates Topher. I’m not sure exactly how long they date during this time period but it seems they’ve been dating for a little while now, enough for her to say she does like him and comfortably doing things with him.

I’m still kind of shocked that Amy didn’t get more upset with Harold (and Ephram) over the Princeton application. Harold also never told Amy about Madison's pregnancy until later either and Amy gave him another free pass. Harold went behind Amy's back twice and Ephram did once. I guess this is how we view Amy's maturity and growth. She is calm and understanding. Ephram, on the other hand, is still horribly immature and aggressive when he gets mad. Startling difference which is why Amy honestly needed time away from Ephram. They are on two different spiritual planes: Amy has grown and matured. Ephram is still very immature. The difference is crystal clear.

Back to Harold... it’s just interesting to me because when we evaluate the baby nightmare it was Harold who started it. Andy was ready to tell Ephram and Harold said no because their children are in love. Harold did a lot of things over the course of the season that are pretty questionable and it’s interesting because he never really gets called out on it by anyone involved such as Amy, Andy, and even Rose for not telling her immediately.

I guess those are pretty much my thoughts. Like I said, I will never believe the behavior of Ephram in this episode makes sense, especially after Bright mentions to him Amy did nothing wrong and Ephram confirms he messed up the attempted visit almost barging in on the adopted parents and the baby, and how Amy was only trying to help. It is one thing for him to feel lost and confused but I simply will not buy the fact that Ephram, who has been in love with Amy since day one would suddenly act like he did not see a forever (even laughing at marriage like Amy was crazy, which was so incredibly cruel) or that he’s just fine with Amy being single while he figures things out on his own. I just refuse to buy it and dislike how hurt Amy gets throughout this entire situation... a situation that is not her fault. Ephram is truly lucky she takes him back eventually. He is so damn lucky, in fact.

No Delia, Edna and Irv in this episode.

Looking forward to the next episode because at least I can turn the page on this one.

[jediwands]

Bringing over a post from MAKRO... a past poster I really enjoyed posting with. He hits on the heartbeat of what’s going on during this moment in the series. Excellent analysis:

Originally Posted by MAKRO (View Post) I don't know who is steering the Good Ship Everwood these days, but it seems to me like the show's captains all sat down before the season and and listed everything we have, up until this year, been able to accept as constants in character make-up and story lines and decided to do everything they could to stand all of it on its end. I accept the need for change in any show to prevent it from getting stale, but aren't they messing with the very crux of what caused us to fall in love with the show in the first place? There are some things going on which I find totally confusing. For example: 1) One of the biggest "givens" in the show since Day 1 is that Ephram took one look at Amy and knew she was his soul mate; his forever. And we knew it too. That's what made their edging toward each other so compelling to watch. Now we're supposed to believe this wasn't true at all? That Ephram never saw Amy as "forever"? You don't pine for someone for two years, in agony at not having them, so that you can eventually get together TEMPORARILY! Nor do you give them a ring representing the infinity of your feelings. Sure, Ephram would know intellectually that few High School romances reach the "happily ever after", but that's intellectually. As a teen in love with the girl he had wanted forever, he would be certain that theirs would be one of the few that would make it. And I don't buy that his recent trauma has clouded his brain that much. He was saying what he meant. And to me it was a true shocker. It cheapened what we were allowed to think they would have and did have together. This is Ephram? Mr. Sensitive? 2) Why is it that Andy is made to suffer so greatly for his sins, but Harold is allowed to skate free (other than the cosmic punishment of Rose getting sick)? First he confesses his deception about Madison to Amy, who is famous for freaking out when she finds out somebody lied to her, (even if it was in her best interest) and she doesn't blink an eye about him not telling her earlier. Since then, we've seen Rose casually discussing the situation with Amy. Why wasn't she upset that Harold not only didn't tell her earlier on his own, but lied to her face when she asked if he was hiding something? Now Amy is accepted to Princeton (the absurdity of that aside) thinking he wrote her essay and sent in her SIGNED application AGAINST HER WISHES, and he skates again (not to mention being deliriously happy about it)? Then there was the almost sickening way he was being so self-congratulatory about he and Rose being such superb parents after the way he has treated Bright? Why is he allowed to skate? 3) I'm still not over the fact that the consummation of two of the longest-running story lines on the show keyed on a billion-to-one meeting in a city of twenty million people, but hey, fate is fate. But now on top of that we've had three consecutive weeks of characters of ferocious intelligence stupidly blurting out vital secrets inadvertently? ("I got pregnant", "You knew?", "I wrote the essay") Oops! Can't we do better? 4) Amy, the new Mature Amy, who has broken our hearts lately with her steadfastness, loyalty, and love, is looking to go to Princeton under false pretenses? Huh? 5) Another "given" since Day 1 is that Andy's driving force in life is to become a better father. As we watched him continue to screw up time after time, we at least knew he was trying his best and his screw-ups were mostly out of cluelessness. Now, after messing up so badly with Ephram, he vows to do better with Delia. Then after she rightfully calls him on being a crappy father to her (and being consumed with Ephram and the whole Jake/Nina thing), does he immediately move to make amends? No, he spends the next episode completely involved with Jake/Nina. Can't we set up the future Andy/Nina while Andy becomes a better father to Delia at the same time? Throw in the Amanda fiasco and we're left wondering: who is this Andy? 6) Didn't there used to be humor and warmth in this show? And what happened to many of the characters and relationships which provided a lot of it? Where are Irv, Edna, and Delia? Relegated to once in awhile status. What about the Delia/Edna relationship? Or Amy/Delia (once this year). Or Edna being snarky to Harold (once in a blue moon)? Or even Harold/Andy, which has been almost all angst this year. And WHERE'S WENDELL? 7) Who the hell thought up the stupid pregnancy story line? The Andy/Amanda disaster? Jake/Nina? The recent attempts to turn Ephram into James Dean and Andy into Mr. Hyde? Who decided Amy and Ephram could only show passion once this year, and then had to be punished for it? And who decided to cheat me out of Amy and Ephram sharing a loving dance at their Senior Prom (just a guess)? And who is left for me to root for? For my money, the stars of the season have been Amy Abbott and Emily VanCamp. Amy's evolvement from self-absorbed princess to mature and loving young woman has been both gratifying and credible. The fact that there were a few false alarms along the way made it even more believable. And Emily's startling beauty, which seems to increase by the week, is more than matched by her talent. Her performances in the last few episodes have blown me away. I also sincerely applaud the addition of Hannah. Not only did Amy need a Best Female Friend, but Hannah's development as a character has been a pleasure to watch. A great job by Sarah Drew. I freely admit that I'm a rank sentimentalist (like Rick Blaine and Inspector Reynaud). As corny as it sounds, I "adopt" characters based on certain aspects of their character. Once I have done so, I don't want to see them change for the worse, or even have their biggest warts exposed. I root for them to become even better people. And, most of all, I want to see them HAPPY. I know real life doesn't always go that way, but I don't watch TV to see the sad parts of life. That's why I am confused, even disconcerted, at the way a lot of things have been playing out lately on one of my favorite shows. I hope the humor, the warmth, and the happiness return in Season 4.

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Originally Posted by jediwands (View Post) - - Emily is gorgeous in the Harold and Amy scene... hair up, so naturally beautiful, she glows.

I believe that hip hugger jeans were invented with Amy in mind!

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Harold celebrating Princeton and Amy laughing is totally Tom and Emily over their characters.

I mean...itś a great school...but...!

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I actually do like the fact that Amy is focused on the college situation in this scene even if she’s upset over her situation with Ephram. It reminds me of the beginning of the season when she could not focus on anything but Ephram after he returned from New York and was acting strange and distant (the start of Ephram doing dumb things all season long). But this time around almost a year later Amy is more confident and focusing on other things too and not a wreck only because of him.

Glad to see that Amy is being strong and not wallowing in a sad depressed state. She has come a long way. Ephram does not deserve any consideration and care on Amyś part right now....not the way heś been acting!

- Oh Bright, I LOVE YOU. Listen to Bright’s words about Amy:

As I have said many many times.....Bright can be so wise and really see the situation for what it is! Except for some questionable advice related to Madison....Bright should really be listened to! I also love that he was sticking up for his sister.

I’ve mentioned before Bright is this quiet Sage. Defending his sister is Bright in Sage-Mode. Bright’s words are Pure Gold while defending his sister. Based on the look on Ephram’s face deep down he knows it too.

Yup...exactly what I said above! lol

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Andy looks extra interested in Jake’s brother. Brian is an arrogant prick. He might mean well as far as financially trying to help Jake but he went too far.

I can´t stand the guy! What a pompous elitist ass! All he did was knock Everwood...itś
people...itś customs! The fact that he told all of this to Nina was despicable.

- Pippi wearing a pink Ohio State shirt is interesting. Never seen this Big Ten school in my native state in that color. LOL.

I was thinking that was an odd University color. THe only time I´ve seen someone wear pink at college was Reese Witherspoon at Harvard in Legally Blond.

- Oh Betty, NJ Mafia.

I know! NJ always gets a bum rap.

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Amy walking down the hall as Ephram sees her and she’s looking drop-dead gorgeous… how does he not immediately make sure that girl isn’t single anymore? Idiot, Ephram. Apology was great but there should have been an immediate I don’t want to lose you due to my actions because you weren’t wrong and I know practically the entire school would date you and want to be in my place...

The only reason he apologized was because Bright made him feel guilty.

- Rose… sick.

You just knew it. Just like with Amy....Harold didn´t notice how dire it was. He wears blinders when it comes to the health of his family.

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Interesting hearing about Colorado being a past Red state. Granted, they found a way to elect Lauren Boebert but that’s House. Overall thankfully Colorado is way more Blue than Red in the present.

Thatś what I thought...except you believe Everwood to be Conservative.


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Hannah seems to really like Topher. I forgot they actually became a little thing for a while. I remembered they dated but forgot they actually dated a while before she got together with Bright.

THey dated until she realized that Topher kissed like a fish.

- Ephram didn’t think his interaction with Amy at the locker was flirty and Amy might think more was going on? Really, Ephram? Didn’t you remember at the beginning of the season you confused Amy (even while you said stupid stuff to her) while Amy thought you were in limbo/maybe broken up yet you got all pissed she had school activities like she should have known that wasn't the case? Now you ask Amy to hang out after a horrible time, you know who Amy is, yet you're shocked when Bright tells you Amy thinks you're most likely getting back together? I think you live in a fantasyland sometimes, Ephram, that only makes sense to you and no one else.

Ephram is being a big tease and giving Amy mixed messages. Horrible. Poor Amy bought an exquiste dress and had such high hopes!

- Andy’s face/reaction finding out Nina was/is in love with him is massive. Treat does such a good job of showing Andy’s internal emotional reaction. This is precisely why they had Andy around Nina and Jake heavily in this episode.

Facial reaction said it all....I believe it was the very beginning of Andy actually considering his feelings for Nina....feelings that were previously on the back burner.

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So it is just fine Ephram wrote that essay for Amy’s Princeton application and he never told Amy? Ephram wrote the essay behind her back because he thought he was doing what was best for Amy and protecting her. Doesn't this sound familiar, Ephram?

I don´t know why he thought that Amy knew that he wrote the essay. How would she know??

- When Ephram asked to have coffee Amy should have declined, I would have.

Amy was devasted at this point.

- I barely have words for this last scene between Ephram and Amy and how Ephram doesn’t see a forever when it goes against everything we’ve seen before this rotten time. Amy’s heart is not only shattering but it’s bleeding during this scene. I want to jump through the screen and tell Amy it is going to be okay. This is by far my least favorite scene of the entire series, not only because Amy is so heartbroken and in so much pain she can barely keep it together (even if she does just fine), but I truly believe it betrays and disrespects one of the main themes of the show. I am forced to accept this scene because it happens. But I refuse to believe that Ephram means what he says and is just fine destroying Amy’s heart here. I love how she put the necklace on the table. I only wish she wouldn’t have kissed his head because he didn’t deserve it. What a cruel and highly disturbing moment of the series.

Ephramś words to Amy made absolutely no sense!! He of all the characters on this show was a true romantic who saw a forever when he met Amy. All of this nonsense of high school sweethearts being a small town thing were absolutely ridiculous! It was as if the writers were writing for a completely different character....not Ephram!

- I remember first finding out Rose was going to have cancer before the episode aired live because I was already spoiled. This moment is highly charged and very sad. Poor Amy has no idea what’s next for her as if she doesn't already have a ton of pain to deal with.

Absolutely heartbreaking! I remember that Amy is going to give up so much for her mom and Ephram is going to be even more cruel and insensitive to Amy!

[Jerry D]

This was an extremely difficult episode for me to watch and write about, as the theme of acceptance resonated throughout it, and some of the characters had to learn about and accept a heartbreaking reality.

We saw in the beginning of the episode that Harold offered to make Amy breakfast and he affectionately remarked about how she had the metabolism of a finch and the appetite of a trucker, (it’s called youth! ) but Amy wasn’t hungry, and Harold asked her about the schools she had applied to, and she said that she had been turned down by one school that she had applied to but that she had gotten into a school that she didn’t apply to, namely Princeton, and Harold was elated.

I liked seeing Ephram and Bright interacting as friends again as they played a game of basketball, but it seemed that a still morose Ephram had given up on everything as he was skipping school and he didn’t seem to care, and he said that since he had a kid at 16, he might as well go for the stereotype of being a High School Dropout, and he was trying to find the humor in it and move on to the acceptance stage, and he said that he wasn’t going to go to college. Bright then asked him why he went all the way out to California to see the family who had adopted his baby but he didn’t go through with it, and Ephram said that once he got there, he realized that he shouldn’t ruin the lives of the people that had adopted his child, and Bright correctly said that Amy gave him the same advice and he ignored it and that she tried to do the right thing and that he should cut her some slack, which seemed to have an effect on Ephram.

We then saw Nina and Andy in the diner, and she nervously told him that Jake’s brother was coming into town, and when they met Brian, Andy felt out of place as Jake, Brian, and Nina talked excitedly with each other and he couldn’t get a word in edgewise.

We saw Ephram run into Amy at school and they had an awkward conversation and Ephram half-heartedly apologized to her (probably due to what Bright had said to him) and then Ephram asked Amy if they wanted to hang out later, which Amy assumed was a date, which would lead to heartbreak later.

We saw that Rose wasn’t feeling well, and she described her symptoms to Harold, who seemed rather dismissive of them, and Rose thought that she might be pregnant.

We saw Jake and Brian talk, and Brian arrogantly asked Jake when he was going to break up with Nina, and he disparagingly talked about how she was a divorced waitress from a small town in Colorado, and he talked about how Jake had given up a great life in California and he was punishing himself for that kid dying, and that sooner or later he was going to want to return to the life that he had left behind, and if he really cared about Nina, he should break up with her now.

We saw that Harold was excited about the possibility of him and Rose having another baby, but Rose didn’t seem as excited as Harold was, at least initially, but the pregnancy test came out negative, which was a first for this show and Rose wanted to do further testing and she wanted Edna to take a blood sample.

We saw Nina shopping with Brian, and he told her that he could tell that she was in love with Jake, and that he had told Jake to break up with her to save her the heartache when he moved back to L.A., and he told Nina that Jake was broke as he had a lot of debt and his income in Everwood was one-third of what it was in California.

We saw Hannah and Amy shopping as Amy wanted to pick out the perfect dress for her date with Ephram, and Amy teased Hannah about how she was like Paris Hilton now after three dates with Topher, and Amy said that she felt like things between her and Ephram could work forever, which broke my heart.

We saw Rose ask Jake about her symptoms at his office, but like Andy earlier, Jake couldn’t get a word in edgewise as Harold and Rose argued right in front of him.

We saw Ephram go to the Abbott house and Bright answered the door, taking credit for talking some sense into Ephram, and he thought that Ephram and Amy were together again, but Ephram denied that they were, and he said that he wasn’t ready to “be a boyfriend” again, and Bright told him that he better tell Amy that as Amy, looking beautiful, walked into the room.

We saw Nina angry and frustrated after what Brian had said to her as she was making everyone dinner including Andy, and she left in a huff, and then Andy and Jake had a heart-to-heart talk about Nina, and Andy said that Nina was his only friend when he first came to town and she saved him from himself countless times, and that Jake wouldn’t find anyone like her in L.A. Jake then said that he understood why Nina had fallen in love with Andy, much to Andy’s shock and surprise, and he told him that he understood why Andy didn’t pursue a romantic relationship with Nina because he didn’t want to ruin his friendship with her, leaving Andy in a state of shock and dismay as he finally realized that he had lost his chance with Nina due to his inability to see what was right in front of him.

We saw Harold and Rose in Harold’s office waiting for the results of X-Rays that Rose took, and they talked excitedly about having another baby, but then a worried and concerned looking Louise came out with Rose’s X-Rays, and Harold saw something in the X-Rays that gravely concerned him.

On their date, we saw Amy tell Ephram that she had gotten into Princeton and he blurted out that he had written an essay for her and that Harold had sent in the application, but she took what did the wrong way, thinking that he wanted her to get into a school that wasn’t too close to New York, which wasn’t the case, but Ephram did a poor job of explaining why he wrote the application for her, and their date ended on a very sad note.

We saw Brian tell Jake that he wasn’t going to survive on his present income and he left, having done his job of, as Jake put it, “stirring the pot.”

We saw Harold talk to a broken-hearted Amy as she held the Infinity necklace that Ephram had given her in front of her, and she flashed back to when he had given her that necklace, but the boy who had given her that necklace and the promise of forever with him had changed into a bitter young man who didn’t want to be with anyone.

We saw Jake declare his love for Nina and he told her that he wasn’t going anywhere, and she told him that she loved him too.

In one of the most heartbreaking scenes that I ever saw on this show, Amy went to Ephram and she asked him if he remembered when he gave her the Infinity necklace and what he said to her at that time, saying the circle represented infinity, and she said that she saw a forever with him, but he never really saw a forever with her, and he said that he still wanted her in his life but only as friends, and he seemed to scoff at the idea of a High School romance turning into something forever, and that it seemed unlikely that they would end up together and that part of him never believed that you could love someone forever, which goes against everything we knew Ephram to be, as he was a romantic at heart, and right from the beginning, he knew that Amy was the one he loved, and that she was the girl for him. It broke my heart when Amy told him that she did see a forever with him, and that all of the time he was thinking about her, she was thinking about them, but Ephram, still stupidly blinded over his anger and hurt due to Madison revealing that she had their baby without telling him, threw away his own happiness with the love of his life and he broke Amy’s heart into a million pieces for no good reason. I thought that Ephram was so unnecessarily cruel to Amy not only in this scene but throughout a good portion of this season, and I will never understand why he treated Amy so cavalierly after waiting so long to win her heart. Ephram was a fool, plain and simple, and I hated the way he broke Amy’s heart as she tearfully left him.

We saw this episode end on a very concerning note as we discovered that Rose had cancer, setting up further anguish and heartbreak for Amy and the entire Abbott family.

Overall, this was an episode that I dreaded seeing and it was so hard for me to get through because I hated seeing what transpired in it. I’m really looking forward to seeing Season Three end in the upcoming weeks of this rewatch because these episodes have been really dark and disheartening.

[jediwands]

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) I believe that hip hugger jeans were invented with Amy in mind!

Ha!

I mean...itś a great school...but...!

Glad to see that Amy is being strong and not wallowing in a sad depressed state. She has come a long way. Ephram does not deserve any consideration and care on Amyś part right now....not the way heś been acting!

100% agree. Season 1, Season 2, early Season 3 Amy would be obsessing over it right now and allowing other aspects of her life to suffer. This new, mature Amy is different and it's refreshing.

As I have said many many times.....Bright can be so wise and really see the situation for what it is! Except for some questionable advice related to Madison....Bright should really be listened to! I also love that he was sticking up for his sister.

Absolutely! Bright definitely can be super wise and see things other cannot. He just naturally goes there.

Yup...exactly what I said above! lol

I can´t stand the guy! What a pompous elitist ass! All he did was knock Everwood...itś people...itś customs! The fact that he told all of this to Nina was despicable.

Agreed and Jake was pretty passive about it all too. I wish Jake would have told him to shove it much more strongly. Instead, Jake allowed both his ex-girlfriend and dumb brother to stroll into Everwood and be jerks. Very weird.

I was thinking that was an odd University color. THe only time I´ve seen someone wear pink at college was Reese Witherspoon at Harvard in Legally Blond.

Yes, I have never seen Ohio State in those colors unless maybe it's a Breast Cancer thing or some sort of charity but even then I've never seen completely pink for an Ohio State Jersey/Shirt like she was sporting.

I know! NJ always gets a bum rap.

Well, the fact that it was a nitwit making the joke proves it is only a stereotype and not true!

The only reason he apologized was because Bright made him feel guilty.

Exactly right.

You just knew it. Just like with Amy....Harold didn´t notice how dire it was. He wears blinders when it comes to the health of his family.

Exactly. I wonder if this happens often with doctors... they miss things involving family sometimes because it's just so obvious they don't see it clearly and too many personal emotions involved can cloud logic.

Thatś what I thought...except you believe Everwood to be Conservative.

Yes! Although Everwood is a small town and many small towns even in Blue States can sport some Red.

THey dated until she realized that Topher kissed like a fish.

That's right!

Ephram is being a big tease and giving Amy mixed messages. Horrible. Poor Amy bought an exquiste dress and had such high hopes!

Yes, it was so sad.

Facial reaction said it all....I believe it was the very beginning of Andy actually considering his feelings for Nina....feelings that were previously on the back burner.

Indeed. It all just came together, like a light bulb flashing. This was definitely not a new revelation, just one that like you said, was previously on the back burner but immediately was forced to enter the picture consciously and fast.

I don´t know why he thought that Amy knew that he wrote the essay. How would she know??

Very good question! I don't understand that either! Even if Ephram assumed Harold told her about their interaction wouldn't he think Amy would have brought it up to him after she found out?

I guess this is proof that Ephram REALLY isn't thinking straight right now.

Amy was devasted at this point.

Ephramś words to Amy made absolutely no sense!! He of all the characters on this show was a true romantic who saw a forever when he met Amy. All of this nonsense of high school sweethearts being a small town thing were absolutely ridiculous! It was as if the writers were writing for a completely different character....not Ephram!

100%.

Absolutely heartbreaking! I remember that Amy is going to give up so much for her mom and Ephram is going to be even more cruel and insensitive to Amy!

Exactly.

[Jerry D]

Originally Posted by jediwands (View Post) Thoughts after watching episode Well, I was hopeful that I wouldn't feel as sad and frustrated while rewatching this one but that turned out not being the case.

It was the same with me.

Originally Posted by jediwands (View Post) I found it interesting that both Hannah and Amy assumed the forever and great things with Ephram and Amy were still going strong and in play. Hannah has been the voice of reason for Ephram and Amy. Even Hannah thought they were fine. I honestly think it was deliberate in that the writers wanted to showcase how messed up and flat out wrong Ephram was throughout the episode. Even Bright stepped up and told him that Amy did nothing wrong and she was right the entire time. I understand Ephram’s depression and feeling lost. What I don’t understand is his continued emotionless treatment of Amy. I just don’t get it and never will. I will never in one million years believe the things that he said to her and being just fine with seeing her heart breaking right in front of him. This is not the real Ephram! He mentioned he didn’t grow up that way in New York City as far as seeing fairytale happy endings. If that is the case why and the hell did he act like he believed in fairytale happy endings during S1? This was fresh off of living in New York City and losing a mother. Why would he fall so hard for Amy then? Make it make sense, writers. Ephram’s actions in this episode go against everything we have seen before this time. It is like someone who looks like Ephram exists but real Ephram’s Soul and Spirit are not there.

All of Ephram's actions in this episode and the episodes that preceded and followed this episode completely go against everything we knew Ephram to be. While it was understandable that he was upset and hurt about the fact that Madison had a baby that he fathered and put that baby up for adoption, he had no right to take out his anger and hurt on Amy, who was the one person who was always there for him and who did everything she could to help him, even though she also must have been devastated that the boy she loved had fathered a child with someone else. Ephram's treatment of her throughout the post Madisongate reveal was reprehensible, and even before all that happened the way he treated her at other times in this season, like when he first got back from his Summer program at Julliard, and when he lied to her and snuck off to see Madison's band, were so out of character for him and he broke Amy's heart for no good reason. I'm still so shocked and angry that Ephram would treat Amy the way that he did.

Originally Posted by jediwands (View Post) I never picked up on how misogynistic the moments are leading up until we find out Rose has a tumor and ultimately, cancer. Harold thought it was stress, her back pain, fatigue, and nausea. He is a medical doctor and her husband! Then when they thought she was pregnant he threw a fit and got mad because she wanted to take time to even digest the possibility of them having another baby. We get the other doctor involved too when Jake mentions maybe her symptoms are menopausal. I found it so bizarre. Like I said, I had a hysterectomy and was forced into post- surgical menopause which is 10 times as intense as regular menopause. I had terrible symptoms to the point of feeling like being in hell was better than being on earth. But I didn’t remotely have the type of symptoms Rose had. Her symptoms clearly indicated a need for further testing.

That's a really good point about how both Harold and Jake were dismissive of Rose's symptoms, and I agree that their attitude was misogynistic. I love how Louise was the first one who saw that there was more to Rose's symptoms than anyone thought, and the look of concern on her face was touching.

Originally Posted by jediwands (View Post) I mentioned that Bright brought out the Sage advice once again. I loved that Bright defended his sister. He told Ephram 100% truth.

Yes, Bright was so correct that Amy was right all along, but Ephram only half listened to him and he gave Amy a half-hearted apology.

Originally Posted by jediwands (View Post) Jake telling Andy that Nina fell in love with him was such a great moment. Treat Williams was fabulous showing Andy’s shock over the reveal. The irony is Jake literally set up a romantic relationship between Andy and Nina in the future. LOL. This moment is what stirred Andy, grabbed his attention, that big moment where a light shines and Andy has complete understanding. I love this so much. I don't like Nina and Jake very much. They are just kind of there. While I am happy Nina has this relationship with Jake before Andy, I still don't feel any chemistry between Nina and Jake and in this very episode, for as annoying and arrogant as Brian was, he kind of had a slight point about Jake's finances and if he was considering moving back to LA, cutting things off with Nina was the better option. Granted he said it in a very cruel way. But the interesting part of this is what does Jake end up doing in the series finale? He goes back to precisely where Brian suggested he return in the present. It is very interesting.

I love that Jake told Andy that Nina had fallen in love with him and the look on Andy's face was priceless, but it's too bad that Andy couldn't figure out for himself what Jake saw, and that this revelation came temporarily too late for him. That's very true that Jake ended up going back to LA anyway, so when you think about it, I wish that he had gone back to LA after this episode instead of subjecting us to another year of him sticking around.

Originally Posted by jediwands (View Post) Nina and Jake telling each other I Love You really did nothing for me. I do not hate Nina and Jake as I said... I see them as a relationship after Nina's divorce and before she ends up with Andy long-term. That said, I sure wish it would have ended well before it finally concludes.

I felt the same way.

Originally Posted by jediwands (View Post) As mentioned, I didn’t realize how long Hannah actually dates Topher. I’m not sure exactly how long they date during this time period but it seems they’ve been dating for a little while now, enough for her to say she does like him and comfortably doing things with him.

I didn't realize that Hannah and Topher had been dating a while until this episode. The Paris Hilton reference was amusing. I actually think that Hannah would have been better off with Topher than Bright, as he was a better match for her.

Originally Posted by jediwands (View Post) I’m still kind of shocked that Amy didn’t get more upset with Harold (and Ephram) over the Princeton application. Harold also never told Amy about Madison's pregnancy until later either and Amy gave him another free pass. Harold went behind Amy's back twice and Ephram did once. I guess this is how we view Amy's maturity and growth. She is calm and understanding. Ephram, on the other hand, is still horribly immature and aggressive when he gets mad. Startling difference which is why Amy honestly needed time away from Ephram. They are on two different spiritual planes: Amy has grown and matured. Ephram is still very immature. The difference is crystal clear.

Yes, Amy had matured a lot in the last year, but Ephram had regressed and he returned to being an immature child lashing out at the ones who loved him.

Originally Posted by jediwands (View Post) Back to Harold... it’s just interesting to me because when we evaluate the baby nightmare it was Harold who started it. Andy was ready to tell Ephram and Harold said no because their children are in love. Harold did a lot of things over the course of the season that are pretty questionable and it’s interesting because he never really gets called out on it by anyone involved such as Amy, Andy, and even Rose for not telling her immediately.

That's so true. Harold definitely contributed to the babygate debacle, both by talking Andy out of telling Ephram earlier on and by telling Amy about Madison's pregnancy before Ephram knew.

Originally Posted by jediwands (View Post) I guess those are pretty much my thoughts. Like I said, I will never believe the behavior of Ephram in this episode makes sense, especially after Bright mentions to him Amy did nothing wrong and Ephram confirms he messed up the attempted visit almost barging in on the adopted parents and the baby, and how Amy was only trying to help. It is one thing for him to feel lost and confused but I simply will not buy the fact that Ephram, who has been in love with Amy since day one would suddenly act like he did not see a forever (even laughing at marriage like Amy was crazy, which was so incredibly cruel) or that he’s just fine with Amy being single while he figures things out on his own. I just refuse to buy it and dislike how hurt Amy gets throughout this entire situation... a situation that is not her fault. Ephram is truly lucky she takes him back eventually. He is so damn lucky, in fact. No Delia, Edna and Irv in this episode. Looking forward to the next episode because at least I can turn the page on this one.

Excellent thoughts and I feel the same way.

[Jerry D]

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) I believe that hip hugger jeans were invented with Amy in mind!

LOL! It's funny how dated those jeans look now. Also, jeans without holes in them! What a concept!

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) I mean...itś a great school...but...!

Yes, Princeton is an Ivy League School, but I don't think it ever had the reputation of Harvard or Yale or other Ivy League Schools.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) Glad to see that Amy is being strong and not wallowing in a sad depressed state. She has come a long way. Ephram does not deserve any consideration and care on Amyś part right now....not the way heś been acting!

I was glad to see that too, but I still hated seeing Ephram break her heart for no good reason.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) As I have said many many times.....Bright can be so wise and really see the situation for what it is! Except for some questionable advice related to Madison....Bright should really be listened to! I also love that he was sticking up for his sister.

I love it when we see a different side to Bright, like we did in this episode.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) I can´t stand the guy! What a pompous elitist ass! All he did was knock Everwood...itś people...itś customs! The fact that he told all of this to Nina was despicable.

I couldn't stand Brian either and he had an attitude that many people from California have where they think anywhere other than California is beneath them.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) I was thinking that was an odd University color. THe only time I´ve seen someone wear pink at college was Reese Witherspoon at Harvard in Legally Blond.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) I know! NJ always gets a bum rap.

Yes it does!

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) The only reason he apologized was because Bright made him feel guilty.

Exactly, and it was a half-hearted apology with no feelings behind it.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) You just knew it. Just like with Amy....Harold didn´t notice how dire it was. He wears blinders when it comes to the health of his family.

That is so true. Well said.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) THey dated until she realized that Topher kissed like a fish.

I actually liked Topher and I thought he was a better match for Hannah than Bright was. I also don't like the old trope that nice guys are dull, because having Hannah and Bright end up together instead of of Hannah and Topher fulfills that trope.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) Ephram is being a big tease and giving Amy mixed messages. Horrible. Poor Amy bought an exquiste dress and had such high hopes!

I know. It was all so heartbraking.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) Facial reaction said it all....I believe it was the very beginning of Andy actually considering his feelings for Nina....feelings that were previously on the back burner.

I agree, but I wish that Andy had figured it all out for himself instead of Jake telling him when Jake was already involved with Nina.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) I don´t know why he thought that Amy knew that he wrote the essay. How would she know??

Maybe he thought that Harold told her.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) Amy was devasted at this point.

Oh I know.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) Ephramś words to Amy made absolutely no sense!! He of all the characters on this show was a true romantic who saw a forever when he met Amy. All of this nonsense of high school sweethearts being a small town thing were absolutely ridiculous! It was as if the writers were writing for a completely different character....not Ephram!

Exactly. Ephram's words and actions were completely out of character for him and they made no sense. It's like Rina was trying to hurt Amy as much as she could through Ephram.

Originally Posted by everwoodfan52 (View Post) Absolutely heartbreaking! I remember that Amy is going to give up so much for her mom and Ephram is going to be even more cruel and insensitive to Amy!

These final episodes are really hard to get through.

[jediwands]

Originally Posted by Jerry D (View Post) This was an extremely difficult episode for me to watch and write about, as the theme of acceptance resonated throughout it, and some of the characters had to learn about and accept a heartbreaking reality.

I felt the same way. I literally took deep breaths before pressing play. This episode is not one I will ever watch just to watch. It has to be for a rewatch. I remember when it first aired. Typically I had a pattern with Everwood. I would watch the all new live so I could properly moderate the board but then that weekend (or maybe sooner if I was super excited) I would watch on recording more slowly, taking it all in and catching things I might have missed. Well, with this episode, I never rewatched. Only once live was enough.

We saw in the beginning of the episode that Harold offered to make Amy breakfast and he affectionately remarked about how she had the metabolism of a finch and the appetite of a trucker, (it’s called youth! ) but Amy wasn’t hungry, and Harold asked her about the schools she had applied to, and she said that she had been turned down by one school that she had applied to but that she had gotten into a school that she didn’t apply to, namely Princeton, and Harold was elated.

Tom and Emily were great in this scene. I am still shocked Amy didn't get more mad but she is mature and understanding. We know this is the new mature Amy because she never turns back. The rest of S3 and all of S4, she has this quiet kindness and maturity. This is the real her.

I liked seeing Ephram and Bright interacting as friends again as they played a game of basketball, but it seemed that a still morose Ephram had given up on everything as he was skipping school and he didn’t seem to care, and he said that since he had a kid at 16, he might as well go for the stereotype of being a High School Dropout, and he was trying to find the humor in it and move on to the acceptance stage, and he said that he wasn’t going to go to college. Bright then asked him why he went all the way out to California to see the family who had adopted his baby but he didn’t go through with it, and Ephram said that once he got there, he realized that he shouldn’t ruin the lives of the people that had adopted his child, and Bright correctly said that Amy gave him the same advice and he ignored it and that she tried to do the right thing and that he should cut her some slack, which seemed to have an effect on Ephram.

One thing that bothered me about this scene is notice how Ephram had to put Bright down in order to make himself feel better? I hated this and Ephram did this throughout the series, especially in moments he feels upset over something.

This part:

BRIGHT: Nothing. It's just... Well, she basically told you not to go for all the reasons ultimately you decided not to knock. EPHRAM: Yeah, but I-I didn't know though I wasn't going to knock until I got there. I had-I had to be parked outside for me to figure out what my end result would be, just like you had to be fired twice before you finally realized what a screw-up you'd been. BRIGHT: Hey, I'm in the room.

^^^ Why was it necessary getting in that dig to Bright, Ephram, who is clearly right here? Just admit you were wrong when you showed up at the adopted parents house and never should have considered going in (as you said), you treated his sister like garbage, and those are facts. Don't be trying to rip Bright just because right now YOU are the screw up.

We then saw Nina and Andy in the diner, and she nervously told him that Jake’s brother was coming into town, and when they met Brian, Andy felt out of place as Jake, Brian, and Nina talked excitedly with each other and he couldn’t get a word in edgewise. We saw Ephram run into Amy at school and they had an awkward conversation and Ephram half-heartedly apologized to her (probably due to what Bright had said to him) and then Ephram asked Amy if they wanted to hang out later, which Amy assumed was a date, which would lead to heartbreak later.

They still kind of paralleled Ephram and Amy and Andy and Nina here even if completely different things are going on between the two pairings. Still, the main pairings are showcased.

We saw that Rose wasn’t feeling well, and she described her symptoms to Harold, who seemed rather dismissive of them, and Rose thought that she might be pregnant.

The anxiety thought or menopause thought like I said was ludicrous. As a psychologist, anxiety doesn't just develop in a severe way out of the blue later in life if you aren't prone to it before this time. If it does, it is something really big like a death or witnessing something awful and you understand the whys. So Rose isn't one to have anxiety. It is not anxiety. Menopause, as I mentioned, I was thrown into post-surgical menopause. No, Rose's symptoms did not match and two MDs should have stopped thinking "women's problems" for a diagnosis.

We saw Jake and Brian talk, and Brian arrogantly asked Jake when he was going to break up with Nina, and he disparagingly talked about how she was a divorced waitress from a small town in Colorado, and he talked about how Jake had given up a great life in California and he was punishing himself for that kid dying, and that sooner or later he was going to want to return to the life that he had left behind, and if he really cared about Nina, he should break up with her now.

This storyline bored me to tears. As is, we are dealing with Amy devastated over Ephram's behavior, Rose definitely sick with something serious, and we are forced to watch Jake's arrogant brother when we don't even fully care about Jake in the first place, or the vast majority feels this way. Andy finding out about Nina's feelings was the entire point to this storyline and making Jake and Nina more serious with the ILY exchanges while Andy finds out.

We saw that Harold was excited about the possibility of him and Rose having another baby, but Rose didn’t seem as excited as Harold was, at least initially, but the pregnancy test came out negative, which was a first for this show and Rose wanted to do further testing and she wanted Edna to take a blood sample.

Why couldn't Rose have been pregnant instead of the adult babysitter?

We saw Nina shopping with Brian, and he told her that he could tell that she was in love with Jake, and that he had told Jake to break up with her to save her the heartache when he moved back to L.A., and he told Nina that Jake was broke as he had a lot of debt and his income in Everwood was one-third of what it was in California.

I love Nina's strength with Brian. Proof that her lack of strength in the series finale was out of character.

We saw Hannah and Amy shopping as Amy wanted to pick out the perfect dress for her date with Ephram, and Amy teased Hannah about how she was like Paris Hilton now after three dates with Topher, and Amy said that she felt like things between her and Ephram could work forever, which broke my heart.

Really sad situation. Poor Amy.

We saw Rose ask Jake about her symptoms at his office, but like Andy earlier, Jake couldn’t get a word in edgewise as Harold and Rose argued right in front of him.

Weird how Harold didn't give Rose a chance to process the possibility of pregnancy.

We saw Ephram go to the Abbott house and Bright answered the door, taking credit for talking some sense into Ephram, and he thought that Ephram and Amy were together again, but Ephram denied that they were, and he said that he wasn’t ready to “be a boyfriend” again, and Bright told him that he better tell Amy that as Amy, looking beautiful, walked into the room.

Ephram looked like he didn't care about Amy at all and it was infuriating. You are the one who asked her out, Ephram. You should have left her alone.

We saw Nina angry and frustrated after what Brian had said to her as she was making everyone dinner including Andy, and she left in a huff, and then Andy and Jake had a heart-to-heart talk about Nina, and Andy said that Nina was his only friend when he first came to town and she saved him from himself countless times, and that Jake wouldn’t find anyone like her in L.A. Jake then said that he understood why Nina had fallen in love with Andy, much to Andy’s shock and surprise, and he told him that he understood why Andy didn’t pursue a romantic relationship with Nina because he didn’t want to ruin his friendship with her, leaving Andy in a state of shock and dismay as he finally realized that he had lost his chance with Nina due to his inability to see what was right in front of him.

This was the main part of the storyline. I wish we would have just fast forwarded to this moment and Andy spent the rest of the episode with Delia. LOL.

We saw Harold and Rose in Harold’s office waiting for the results of X-Rays that Rose took, and they talked excitedly about having another baby, but then a worried and concerned looking Louise came out with Rose’s X-Rays, and Harold saw something in the X-Rays that gravely concerned him.

Yes, he handled that brilliantly actually. He definitely saw something on that X-Ray but she didn't know he did, just that he wanted to order a higher quality scan.

On their date, we saw Amy tell Ephram that she had gotten into Princeton and he blurted out that he had written an essay for her and that Harold had sent in the application, but she took what did the wrong way, thinking that he wanted her to get into a school that wasn’t too close to New York, which wasn’t the case, but Ephram did a poor job of explaining why he wrote the application for her, and their date ended on a very sad note.

I am convinced during this rewatch that this scene is just as bad as the following scene at the Brown house. Amy is actually taking it ALL in during this scene. The one at the Brown house she is just seeking confirmation she is right. Unreal. I never thought it was possible Ephram could hurt her so much.

The funny part of it is when I look at the past episode watch thread... so many are ripping Ephram and I am the one trying to downplay his actions! LOL. I guess I was younger and less intellectual then to see the light as much. Or I was being a moderator and trying to prevent harsh thoughts and potential fighting, I am not sure.

Point being... people might have even been downplaying how they felt because they saw the moderator trying to make excuses and downplay it. I have to wonder if I would have been like MAKRO and Alan how many others would have voiced strong opinions and went off. I know they did just that on many other sites.

We saw Brian tell Jake that he wasn’t going to survive on his present income and he left, having done his job of, as Jake put it, “stirring the pot.”

Brian was annoying but at least he was trying to instruct Jake on his finances. Overall though he was an idiot.

We saw Harold talk to a broken-hearted Amy as she held the Infinity necklace that Ephram had given her in front of her, and she flashed back to when he had given her that necklace, but the boy who had given her that necklace and the promise of forever with him had changed into a bitter young man who didn’t want to be with anyone.

Horrible.

We saw Jake declare his love for Nina and he told her that he wasn’t going anywhere, and she told him that she loved him too.

I felt nothing. Zero chemistry or caring on my part with them. I like that Nina dated someone after her divorce and before Andy but it doesn't mean I have to enjoy it.

In one of the most heartbreaking scenes that I ever saw on this show, Amy went to Ephram and she asked him if he remembered when he gave her the Infinity necklace and what he said to her at that time, saying the circle represented infinity, and she said that she saw a forever with him, but he never really saw a forever with her, and he said that he still wanted her in his life but only as friends, and he seemed to scoff at the idea of a High School romance turning into something forever, and that it seemed unlikely that they would end up together and that part of him never believed that you could love someone forever, which goes against everything we knew Ephram to be, as he was a romantic at heart, and right from the beginning, he knew that Amy was the one he loved, and that she was the girl for him. It broke my heart when Amy told him that she did see a forever with him, and that all of the time he was thinking about her, she was thinking about them, but Ephram, still stupidly blinded over his anger and hurt due to Madison revealing that she had their baby without telling him, threw away his own happiness with the love of his life and he broke Amy’s heart into a million pieces for no good reason. I thought that Ephram was so unnecessarily cruel to Amy not only in this scene but throughout a good portion of this season, and I will never understand why he treated Amy so cavalierly after waiting so long to win her heart. Ephram was a fool, plain and simple, and I hated the way he broke Amy’s heart as she tearfully left him.

Well said.

We saw this episode end on a very concerning note as we discovered that Rose had cancer, setting up further anguish and heartbreak for Amy and the entire Abbott family. Overall, this was an episode that I dreaded seeing and it was so hard for me to get through because I hated seeing what transpired in it. I’m really looking forward to seeing Season Three end in the upcoming weeks of this rewatch because these episodes have been really dark and disheartening.

I completely agree.

[jediwands]

Originally Posted by Jerry D (View Post) It was the same with me. All of Ephram's actions in this episode and the episodes that preceded and followed this episode completely go against everything we knew Ephram to be. While it was understandable that he was upset and hurt about the fact that Madison had a baby that he fathered and put that baby up for adoption, he had no right to take out his anger and hurt on Amy, who was the one person who was always there for him and who did everything she could to help him, even though she also must have been devastated that the boy she loved had fathered a child with someone else. Ephram's treatment of her throughout the post Madisongate reveal was reprehensible, and even before all that happened the way he treated her at other times in this season, like when he first got back from his Summer program at Julliard, and when he lied to her and snuck off to see Madison's band, were so out of character for him and he broke Amy's heart for no good reason. I'm still so shocked and angry that Ephram would treat Amy the way that he did.

That's a really good point about how both Harold and Jake were dismissive of Rose's symptoms, and I agree that their attitude was misogynistic. I love how Louise was the first one who saw that there was more to Rose's symptoms than anyone thought, and the look of concern on her face was touching.

YES! Isn't that interesting? This show is about the little things. Louise absolutely knew something was going on. I guess she took a look at the X-Ray herself or in general she knew there was more going on.

Yes, Bright was so correct that Amy was right all along, but Ephram only half listened to him and he gave Amy a half-hearted apology.

Ephram definitely can be self-absorbed and we are seeing it very clearly during this time period. The way he tells her about the application too. He acted like it was a joke almost or "just fine" because he assumed she was going there after all.

I cannot get over Ephram's behavior. It is so awful.

I love that Jake told Andy that Nina had fallen in love with him and the look on Andy's face was priceless, but it's too bad that Andy couldn't figure out for himself what Jake saw, and that this revelation came temporarily too late for him. That's very true that Jake ended up going back to LA anyway, so when you think about it, I wish that he had gone back to LA after this episode instead of subjecting us to another year of him sticking around.

Definitely. He does exactly what his brother suggests in the end.

I felt the same way. I didn't realize that Hannah and Topher had been dating a while until this episode. The Paris Hilton reference was amusing. I actually think that Hannah would have been better off with Topher than Bright, as he was a better match for her.

LOL. The reference was funny.

Yes, Amy had matured a lot in the last year, but Ephram had regressed and he returned to being an immature child lashing out at the ones who loved him.

You really see Ephram's regression. Tell me, anyone, if Ephram is the most immature he's ever been how on earth is he ready to father a kid at this point? My God, I hate saying this but Madison did the absolute right thing for everyone involved!

That's so true. Harold definitely contributed to the babygate debacle, both by talking Andy out of telling Ephram earlier on and by telling Amy about Madison's pregnancy before Ephram knew.

Harold really skates.

Excellent thoughts and I feel the same way.

[Librarianx01]

I recently finished my rewatch (sorry I am impatient as heck haha), and I really forgot how much I hated this episode!

Ephram feels out of character (on their non-date)...I wonder if it's more of a directorial suggestion for Gregory and he took it...way out there? I don't know. It didn't feel in character, for some reason? Like overly cruel. Amy & Ephram were one of my first TV OTPs and I maybe cried after watching this the first time and running to the internet to find fanfic to soothe my soul

I did appreciate EVC's acting in this episode. She really grew as an actress in this series and became more comfortable with the character and you can really see it here. Amy has grown as a person and it is more evident as time goes on in the show... but thinking back to season 1, she is definitely a stronger and more confident gal especially in what she wants.

Ugh the Rose / Harold / Jake stuff bothers me so much. Poor Rose.

ETA: I won't be participating much in the coming weeks; I'm moving so am busy with that. Enjoy the end of season 3

[Jerry D]

Good luck with your move Rachel!

I agree that Amy really grew as a person on this show, and she handled everything so well in this episode, especially considering how Ephram broke her heart.