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jediwands

Woke up early with some neck pain. Helped out (posted on) a couple boards around while drinking some coffee (and catching up on sports news). Shortly, I will start watching the episode.

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My Thoughts.....

Ephram looks so ridiculous when he is in a snit..

Delia: Grownups love me.

Good for Bright! Working hard really paid off.

Ephram whining to Bright is becoming really really tedious.

It seems that the only exchanges Andy and Nina have are about kids and schedules.

Divorce is the way to go, Nina. Don't fight it and make sure you get everything you deserve. Don't be too nice.

Amy, why are you back with Tommy? Don't go to that party with him.

Madison's band is as bad as ever!

Ephram, when are you going to get tired of being treated like an idiot?

Linda is a little jealous. I am surprised.

I hate when Madison calls Ephram "Sweetie". It just grates on my nerves.

Don't listen to Tommy, Amy. He just admitted that he is a phony when pretending to care about you.

That is the worst song and voice I have ever heard!

Linda is out of line here. Why can't Andy help Nina? He has tons of money and Nina does not. He is Nina's friend and is with Linda...not Nina. This should be enough to satisfy Linda.

Please don't listen to Tommy, Amy. He is a big Liar. Where has your common sense gone? Don't be tempted.

Ephram, you are acting like a huge immature jerk...don't lower yourself. And Madison....why to you just stand there and allow a band mate to talk to Ephram like that? And....why can't Ephram go with you? Isn't he your boyfriend?

I'm glad Colin is telling Amy to go...she needs to hear this. Just say, "Goodbye," Amy.

Poor Ephram. There is not even a bush he can sprinkle. Such a change in Andy's reaction since the last time Ephram got drunk. Andy had definitely evolved. Where is Jacob now? He should see this.

You are finally wising up, Madison. Time to let Ephram go. You are ruining his life!

Good for you, Amy. Very smart move to call your dad.

jediwands

Thoughts while watching

- This entire kitchen scene is so gross. Delia has to watch Madison and Ephram bicker and it is so disrespectful.

- Ephram is so out of control. I loathe Madison, but she can't even mention the band without Ephram getting all weird and jealous. Remind me again how this illegal relationship is good for Ephram? My God, he looks so pathetic given this odd, abnormal, unhealthy jealousy. He was so much more mature in S1.

- I love how Berlanti reminds the audience once again (via Delia this time) that Ephram is just a boy as Madison looks at him like he's incapable of life asking how on earth he's going to get into a bar. Literally, Madison said Delia cannot come, it would be breaking the law, and Delia's all... isn't Ephram going?

- I am really starting to wonder if the intention of S2 Ephram throughout most of the season is to show this extreme immaturity and "psychotic-like" (Ephram's words in 2.15) behavior.

- Amy has a reason why her behavior is off. What again is Ephram's reason for being this out of control obsessive, stalker-like boy spending every waking moment physically and mentally all over an adult babysitter? This is Ephram’s fault, Madison’s fault and Andy’s fault for allowing it to get started in the first place.

- Ephram literally looks slightly unhinged talking to Madison in this kitchen scene.

- Bright: I'm like totally smart.

- Bright is so proud to show Harold his 3 A's.

- I find it interesting that Ephram has a bad grade in Spanish but when you look at Bright's grade in Spanish he has an A.

- Amy, I am shocked she doesn't have all Fs to be honest.

- Bright is all excited about his As and what's Ephram doing? Obsessed over Madison and making sure she kisses him and not Jay at the bar. Like, does he hear how unstable this way of thinking is about someone you have zero business being with in the first place? He is losing it.

- Love how Ephram leaves and Amy arrives. Berlanti made sure they didn't see each other since too much chemistry.

- Amy finding out Ephram is sleeping with an adult... shocked. Jealous but shocked.

- I like that at least Bright and Amy are talking even though Bright tormented her as she found out their parents know about her grades. Bright has zero awareness that Amy's Clinical Depression is why she’s been truly off this entire time (so she doesn’t deserve Karma) but he does have a right to be pissed given the family dynamics within the household… being passive aggressive with her fits.

- I love how Amy is confused over Bright's stupidity concerning card games.

- So cute how Andy goes to Nina to talk to her about Ephram at Mama Joy's. Their bantering is so cute too, Nina suggesting next he raise his allowance, that'll show Ephram is outstanding.

- Carl filing for divorce is a good thing. Horrible how she found out but she needs to end this marriage.

- Notice Amy all pissed off in the scene with Tommy. Could it have something to do with finding out Ephram is having sex with Madison? Everwood is subtle but profound.

- Tommy is bad news but at least he didn't pressure Amy to have sex.

- It is so annoying thinking about how much time is spent on Madison's band.

- Ephram walking in on the band practicing then the arguing with Jay... my God, Jay looks so much older than Ephram. Ephram looks like a little brother of Madison's... it is alarming. Also, notice Ephram is all I can stay and I have my books as a subtle reminder by Berlanti and Rina that Ephram is a teenage boy much younger and still in high school. It's just so gross and if you pay close attention in every episode during endless moments Berlanti is highlighting how wrong they are, in addition to how out of control Ephram is throughout this entire disgusting storyline.

- Andy is so sweet and caring during the meeting with the lawyer Andy attended with Nina. You can see how caring and such a good person Nina is during this scene alone given how she doesn't want to screw Carl even though he was a cheater liar to her.

- The advice and emotional support Andy gives Nina after the lawyer leaves briefly to get them all water is so beautiful. His words are not only completely correct, but so sweet and caring. The emotional connection these two have is so precious.

- Emily is so good in the scene when Amy shows up to the school meeting and Harold and Rose are sitting there. You have to wonder why Edna is not there, like how it was planned out. Good for Edna if she instigated this meeting.

- What Rose said to Amy in the hallway was picture perfect! This is what they should have said all along to her! Notice how it affected Amy. The simple... we are here for you, we support you, we love you. It was perfect.

- Ada...

- Mountains in the background as Ephram and Bright walk into the store.

- Bright saying he loves Ada... talk about foreshadowing.

- Linda suddenly all jealous of Andy/Nina is very strange. Isn't she the one who told Andy he was being a terrible friend who was neglecting Nina not too long ago?

- Linda is shocked Andy is paying for Nina's legal fees? Why? Andy provides a free clinic to the entire town of Everwood. Why would helping out a close friend financially deal with a terrible divorce be any different? Her jealousy feels very weird.

- Ephram upset Madison's skirt is too short is just so full of cringe. Ahhhhh.

- So NOW Madison is worried about being at the center of all the problems/fights between Ephram and Andy? Really? NOW? What a lunatic.

- Notice Madison also finally has a clue and points out that Delia is affected too and Ephram is all... wait, WHO is Delia? Wow, his treatment of his sister in S2 is vile.

- Oh my GOD Tommy admitted to Amy he only told her at the beginning not to mix antidepressants with alcohol because he wanted her to like him, not that he was really concerned about her mixing the two. What a creep.

- The singing by Madison... make it stop.

- Linda all jealous is weird. I liked when Andy said she was just going to have to get over it but what did suck is when he said he's gotten over bigger things for her. Andy, you didn't have to take a shot at her HIV status. That was mean.

- It's tough seeing Amy drunk and so not herself. Not that drinking is bad but it is in this case.

- Emily is fantastic in that scene in the bedroom between Amy and Tommy. She asks him if the ridiculous date rape drug could make her happy.

- The music in that scene is just so perfect, it's a combination of darkness and paralyzing depression.

- Ephram, what are you doing getting drunk? Isn't it good enough he was able to get inside the bar to watch the babysitter perform? Why on earth did he feel the need to take it miles more and get drunk?

- Honestly, at times in S2 I think Ephram is the one that needs even more help.

- Wow, just wow, what the hell is Ephram doing? Does he want me to feel sorry for Madison? Because I kind of do in this scene. He's drunk and ruining her chances with the band, no matter how horrible they are. What is he doing? Notice the guy even calls Ephram a KID. Ephram, you need to stop. He is so out of control obsessed. He needs help.

- Then Ephram punches Jay. Wow.

- Emily VanCamp is MAGICAL in this episode, and especially the "Colin" scene. She is award-winning.

- My heart breaks when Amy says not the first goodbye but the second goodbye... that is the most heartbreaking one as "Colin" walks away.

- I wonder what the horrible guy meant that Amy encountered at the party after Tommy is out of it when he says that she is Tommy's girl. Did Tommy brag about Amy like in a sexual way or something else? It was a weird comment from that disgusting guy.

- Ephram arrested. Madison shows up there. Andy should have refused them any interaction at this point. My God.

- Even after all of this, when Ephram starts talking to Madison while Andy waits in the car he continues on and on sounding pathetic and obsessed. This is just so insane.

- The Andy/Ephram scene when they get home is an amazing scene. Both Treat and Greg brought it.

- I love that Amy called Harold.

Thoughts after watching

No matter how many times I watch this episode I will always be surprised when Amy takes the GHB. I assume for the "Colin moment" they wanted us to wonder if it was drugs, spiritual or the depression. Tommy is awful. He's lied to you... he's been dealing... apparently he told you he was on the wagon and now he's not... and then the date rape drug. I was so happy finding out she called Harold. The loser she talked to before calling Harold really makes me wonder what Tommy is known as to all of them (in addition to a dealer) based on how he looked at Amy. Maybe Tommy was bragging about Amy in a gross disrespectful way. I also noticed in the scene they talk about going out that night how devious Tommy looked and the camera lingered on him, too. I am so glad Amy and Tommy are over.

I also love how the episode early on gives us a clue that Amy is close to reuniting with her family. The bantering with Bright even if she was pissed off over what Bright was telling her (their parents knew about her grades and Ephram was sleeping with Madison which was clear jealousy) it was clear they were better than they were before. But how Rose and Harold handled the situation with Amy and her grades at school was so perfect. Amy expected to get yelled at but Rose handled it beautifully (finally!). She simply said they were there for her, worried about her (the weight loss) and just looked like they missed and loved her no matter what. THIS is what Amy needed from day 1. It's all she needed. Support. Understanding. Loyalty. Love. If Harold and Rose would have gone there without any judgment, mean words or making her feel ridiculous for clear Situational Clinical Depression none of this would have happened. But better late than never, that is for sure. I just love knowing the second Amy called Harold they were close to reuniting again.

Ephram's behavior was the worst of the season in this episode. I was so grossed out due to the insanity. He is so out of control. I keep saying it... who is the one with the Situational Clinical Depression? Ephram is the one acting out the worst in S2 over something so stupid and avoidable. It never should have materialized in the first place. I cannot believe all the BS he pulled in this one. So controlling, jealous, hyper, getting an illegal ID, drunk, causing fights, arrested, sounding so pathetic and boyish over an adult woman. He was so immature. This is not S1 Ephram who did act older than his age (excluding when he was throwing fits with Andy). It's just really scary. I know the last scene between Andy and Ephram was good because Treat and Greg were amazing. But overall, I couldn't really feel for Ephram and I am an Empath! All I wanted to do was tell him to get away from Madison and all his problems are solved. I mean, I did feel sorry for him. He is hurting and who hasn’t experienced heartbreak before? It is relatable and he was in so much pain. I love how comforting Andy was. The “I know you do” was really sweet as was not grounding him.

Ephram and Amy... I find it interesting how they had one tiny moment where Ephram was with Bright then immediately Amy was approaching Bright and Amy saw Ephram walking away. Amy found out about Ephram sleeping with Madison which clearly bothered her. But I feel like this scene was inserted in there (Berlanti co-wrote the episode) to remind the audience once again that this pairing is not done and they will be continued very soon.

Andy and Linda... this, to me, felt very unexpected and forced. One episode Linda's scolding Andy for not being attentive to Nina's needs, now she's scolding him for being too attentive. At first I thought it was gonna be OK. I thought it was just Linda disapproving of Andy taking control of Nina's situation. Remember he got himself into trouble earlier by 'advising' Nina about Carl with an iron will. But Linda came off less concerned that he was maybe being overbearing and more like she was jealous. I mean, it's just so soon after her whole 'you should be a better friend to her' scene. I did not like it at all. I did love when Andy told her to get over it and he defended his friendship with Nina. I loved that moment but at the same time, the moment he told Linda he's gotten over worse with her I thought was very rude and uncalled as well. I just didn't like Linda coming off as so jealous and suspicious. It also slightly waters down the great moment between Nina/Linda in 2.15.

Bright was so fun all excited he received 3 As. I love how he said he was smart. I liked seeing Harold and Rose so happy for him. He just walked around with confidence all episode long. He was an idiot hooking up Ephram with a fake ID and of course, we know there's foreshadowing with the cheating for him when he comments on the woman who made Ephram the fake ID being hot.

The Andy/Nina moments were pure brilliance. My shipper hat was perfectly placed on top of my head in this one. The chemistry between them is amazing. Andy's support, both financial and emotional, is just beautiful. His words to Nina about not settling and fighting it because she deserves it had her lighting up. I just love them.

The Colin moment was phenomenal. I love how in classic Everwood fashion, the audience is left to decide what that was all about. Drugs? Clinical Depression/hallucinations? Spiritual moment? All I know is it resulted in a spiritual reaction because Amy was finally able to start the recovery process, the Abbott's are close to being reunited and she finally has closure with Colin. This moment was obviously significant as a result. Emily VanCamp gives me chills, her portrayal in this one showcases why she deserved an Emmy for this storyline and her talent is off the charts indescribable.

The title - Unspoken Truths... what does it mean?

The bar fight was an evolution of Ephram knowing that Madison didn't feel the same way he did... but he should have had a clue well before this moment, hello. She tried to explain away her failure to say she loved him too last episode, but it was obvious to all including Ephram that she was struggling to justify her non-response. Rose finally spoke the unspoken truth about how they feel about Amy and her problems - they want to be there for her if she'll let them. The Andy/Linda/Nina one is the most complicated. Linda will be temporary and Andy will eventually get together with Nina. The spoken 'unspoken truth' of Andy/Nina works on that level.

Unspoken Truths may mostly be about those voices we don't want to listen to that try to tell us a relationship is over. I mean we revisit the break-up of Nina/Carl. Looks like Andy/Linda may be over. Looks like Madison/Ephram may be over. Looks like Amy may finally be ready to let go of Colin. Amy is done with Tommy too. It seems to kind of be about people wanting to have a particular romantic relationship so much that they are reluctant to see it's not meant to be.

jediwands

I’m seriously wondering during the rewatch if Berlanti went overboard showing him so out of control during the EM relationship. I mean, we get it, the relationship is wrong, never should have happened, and it’s messing big time with Ephram. I think it makes Madison lingering on throughout the rest of the series even more frustrating too.

She’s so cute and Vivien delivers the best lines.

I hate that the happiness/celebration Bright had with Harold/Rose got interrupted by Amy’s grades shocker.

Yes. Bright then typically gives terrible advice. It’s repetitive.

Yes, I guess since Andy’s not single it’s more scheduled but noticed that too.

Exactly.

I hate this too along with the drug she took. Clinical Depression, does it make sense? Yes, you can be self destructive but I still hated seeing her back with Tommy and taking that drug, even if she yearned to feel happy.

So awful.

She treats him like a little boy and his behavior copies the image she has of him.

She is, indeed. I didn’t like it. Unwarranted.

Definitely deliberate on Berlanti’s end, too.

Right!!!!!!!! She can’t even blame being drunk. She was sober then. I couldn’t BELIEVE he admitted this.

Agreed.

Precisely. She was completely out of line.

She was severely depressed even acutely at that party but I agree she still had common sense to resist or should have.

Yes I couldn’t believe how she just allowed him to talk to Ephram like that even if Ephram was really out of control. Madison was basically agreeing with Jay that she wanted Ephram out of there. Like she knew by hurting him it was the easiest way to get him out of there so she embraced it. Cold.

Such a great scene.

Agreed. It’s like he did have a father’s intuition and knew it was something big.

Finally is right! Of course as we know Madisongate is in the works.

Loved the moment when Harold shows up so much.

Jerry D

I thought that this was a powerful but very dark episode that saw Ephram and Madison and Amy and Tommy’s relationship spiral out of control and Andy and Linda coming to a crossroads in their relationship as Andy’s closeness with Nina as he actively helped her with her divorce proceedings brought out Linda’s resentment and jealousy as she felt that Andy was going above and beyond what any friend would do.

I hated the beginning of the episode when Ephram and Madison were bickering in front of Delia, and I didn’t like how Ephram manipulated Andy into not punishing him for getting a D in Spanish when his obsession with Madison adversely affected his grades.

I was so happy to see Bright so elated over having received 3 “A”’s on his report card, and I was glad that Harold and Rose celebrated his accomplishment with his and told him how proud they were of him, but then they saw Amy’s report card and their disappointment was written all over their faces.

I thought it was funny when Bright was trying on different glasses in front of Ephram at school, saying “I mean, they look good but do they say I’m a genius?” but as always, Ephram could only talk about his obsession with Madison as he asked Bright to help him get into Madison’s show, and Bright said to meet him after 6th period the next day.

I wish that Bright didn’t tell Amy that Ephram and Madison were sleeping together but I guess it was inevitable that she would find out, but it was funny when Bright said “What did you think they were doing this whole time, playing Solitaire, or some other two-person card game?”

Bright got his own revenge on his eternally favored sister by telling her that their parents had already seen her report card, calling it “karma,” much to Amy’s dismay, making up for all the years she had outshone him in the eyes of their parents.

I liked the conversation between Andy and Nina at Mama Joy’s as Andy told her how Ephram had “stolen his thunder,” but then we saw Nina served with divorce papers from Carl.

The scene with Tommy and Amy turned my stomach, and I didn’t like how Amy wanted to go to the party he was going to and be a part of his illicit world, setting the stage for the disaster to come in this episode.

I hated seeing the tension between Ephram and Jay as Ephram didn’t want to let her out of his sight, and Jay cruelly taunted him, also setting the stage for the disaster to come in this episode.

The scene between Amy and her parents at the guidance counselor’s office was fraught with tension as they tried to come to an agreement to not have her recently failing grades not adversely affect her future, but Amy lashed out at them once again, and I loved what Rose said to her, telling her she just wanted to say that they were here for her and that they had been here for her the whole time and they would keep being there for her.

I was glad that Andy went with Nina to see her divorce lawyer, but we saw that Nina was very naïve about the whole process of going through a divorce, and I really liked the advice, friendship and support that Andy gave her.

It was funny seeing Bright bring Ephram to see Ada, who would play a key part in a future episode, who provided Ephram with a fake ID. Bright’s words “Dude, I love her,” would come back to haunt him in Season Three, as we all saw.

I didn’t understand why Linda got all jealous when Andy told her that he paid for Nina’s divorce lawyer, and later in that episode, her jealousy came to the forefront when she told Andy that she was uncomfortable with their closeness, which made no sense when she had previously told him that he had been neglecting his friendship with Nina, but when she tried to talk to Andy about it and say that she was confused about their friendship and that Andy was acting like her pseudo-husband, Andy basically refused to listen to her and he refused to apologize for his friendship with Nina, saying that she would have to get over it, and that he had to get over a lot more stuff to be with her that were a lot more important than her jealousy over his closeness with Nina, which Linda rightfully took offense to and left. Obviously, Linda did sense that there was more to Andy and Nina’s friendship than either one of them saw or would admit to at the time, and this all came to the forefront in this episode, and it seemed to portend the beginning of the end of Andy and Linda’s romantic relationship.

I didn’t like seeing Amy go to that party with Tommy and enter into that sordid world that he was a part of, and I didn’t like how he admitted that he only told her to not mix alcohol and prescription medication so she would like him, and then he got her drunk and gave her the date rape drug GHB, telling her it would make her “happy” in an attempt to seduce her, but then he passed out and she started to hallucinate and she saw a vision of Colin, and she tearfully told him that she loved him and that she wanted him to come back, but he told her that he wanted her to leave him alone and that he wanted her to go. She then tearfully told him that she failed school, she failed her brother, and she had failed her parents and she had failed him, and she asked him where he wanted her to go, and he answered her “you start by saying goodbye,” and she tearfully said goodbye to him, and he seemed to smile slightly as he left her for the last time. To me, Colin seemed so cruel in this scene, but it was reminiscent of the time that Julia told Andy that it was time to say goodbye, and that scene seemed to symbolically allow Amy to finally let go of her feelings for Colin and move on with her life, as she never “saw” him again, just like Andy never “saw” Julia again, except for one flashback scene in Season Three.

We saw that Tommy had passed out, overdosing on the GHB that he had given Amy, and she couldn’t wake him up, and she frantically tried to get him help, but no one would help her or him, and she was able to find Tommy’s phone and call her father, who came to help.

This episode really illustrated how out of control Ephram’s obsession with Madison had gone, as he got drunk at the nightclub that Madison was performing in and he got into a fight with Jay and he ended up getting arrested and put in a holding cell. We saw once again that Ephram’s infatuation with Madison (I refuse to call it love, because what they had together wasn’t love at all) had become a dangerous obsession, and the writers really hammered home how wrong their relationship was, just like they hammered home how wrong Amy and Tommy’s relationship was in this episode. As a side note, my ears started bleeding when I heard Madison sing, and she made Katie Holes sound good in comparison! This episode reinforced how wrong Ephram and Madison’s relationship was as she realized, once again, that things had really spiraled out of control, and it seemed to signal the end of their illicit relationship.

It was sad seeing Andy have to go and get Ephram at the police station, and then they both saw Madison outside, but his pleas to her fell on deaf ears as she told him that everything was all out of control and too serious, and she wasn’t ready for that, but I fault her more than him because she never should have gotten involved with him in the first place.

It was heartbreaking to see Ephram break down and cry to Andy that everything he does to bring Madison closer pushes her farther and farther away, and he tearfully wished that his mother was there so he could ask her what he did wrong and why Madison didn’t love him, because he loved her so much.

Overall, I saw this as one of the darkest episodes of this season, and it seemed like a watershed episode that signaled the beginning of the end of certain relationships that had dominated the first part of this season.

jediwands

Great summary.

What both Ephram and Madison have done to Delia is despicable. It also reminds me of Ephram abandoning her at the end of S3 indirectly due to Madison. He left and basically said he couldn’t guarantee he'd be returning from Europe. S2 he ignores his sister and basically uses her as a pawn. He couldn’t care less Delia is impressionable and has to take in their sick relationship. It is so gross. Madison is no better. She was hired to take care of Delia, not emotionally confuse and borderline abuse her.

I am sickened over how Delia is treated in S2. She has no one but Andy really. Edna is consumed by Amy and Nina is consumed by her divorce. Ephram treats her like dirt. Andy is around but there’s the Linda situation that is tricky too. Poor Delia.

It was a great moment that was short-lived. Hopefully Rose did make him that cake (off-screen).

Ephram is a terrible friend to Bright in S2. It’s unbelievable how one-sided this friendship is right now. He tortured him with Madison garbage and never asks about his life. He even abandoned him in Boulder. Bright didn't know Will and as we viewed, Will was annoyed by Bright. Bright was left alone in a strange city covering for his insane friend and not having anyone around to hang out with. It was weird. Bright should have been pissed. I know I would have been.

Yes, it was inevitable she would find out. I do believe this played a large part in why she self destructed at the party too. She was quite upset over this as you could see how her personality changed the rest of the episode after Bright told her about the illegal news.

Like I said, Bright doesn’t have a clue Amy is suffering so severely from a medical condition but I can still understand why he has resentment based on how his father specifically treats him.

I love them and wish they would’ve gotten together romantically much sooner than they did. I think the merger affected this though and Berlanti thought he had more time. Still, I am glad they ended up together, the only thing that made sense for them.

Tommy had such a devious look on his face right at the end of the scene when they’re deciding to go to the party.

So much wrong with this scenario. It’s interesting Ephram brought up Jay and stoner friends. Reminded me of Ephram seeing Tommy with the band and Ephram’s decision not to tell Amy about it. I understand why he didn’t but it’s possible if he would have told her the party never would’ve happened. Yes, Amy probably would have made an excuse like she did with Laynie but maybe if both Ephram and Laynie were warning her with facts she would have listened.

What’s sad is like I said in my review if Harold and Rose would’ve taken this approach from day 1 Amy never would’ve moved in with Edna or gotten together with Tommy most likely either.

Exactly. Thankfully both the lawyer (even if she was funny but still kind of rough) and Andy were there to guide her. Then Andy consulted with a lawyer friend from NYC too. Nina was totally covered professionally, emotionally and financially.

Foreshadowing and proof this amazing series was well planned out overall.

All so true. We all seem to think Linda’s jealousy was sudden and unwarranted. But you make an excellent point that while the present scenario didn’t justify her jealousy, she was probably intuitively picking up on the big picture of Andy/Nina and their future romance.

I guess another thing that needs observed is the fact that before this time, Nina was still married. That could be why Linda never cared about their friendship even if she might have thought before this time they were unusually close. Still, Nina was married back then so Linda never thought too much or worried about it. Now, Nina is changing from married to divorced and will be single. This does change things and it could be why Linda has a different attitude about Andy/Nina.

It was really powerful stuff. Like I said, Berlanti allows us to decide “how” Amy had this encounter… hallucination due to depression, the alcohol and drug she took, or literally Colin’s spirit trying to be stern in order to help her move on. I notice after Amy says the final goodbye to “Colin” there was a soft smile on his face. Mission accomplished. Tough love in order to help someone is how I thought this went down.

I was kind of confused over why Amy had difficulty finding a phone. LOL. I know it isn't like it is now but where was her phone?

Exactly right. This entire situation is so disgusting. All of it. I don't care about Madison, but Ephram is a main character and it's just sad to see how much he has fallen as a result of this toxic situation. He has turned into such a selfish, horrible person right now. There's no other way to state it. It is not to be blamed on teen hormones either. No way. Teens can be hormonal and infatuated with someone but most teens do not treat others around them like garbage at the same time, especially a sister who lost her mom recently and is so young and impressionable. Madison is the worst thing to ever happen to Ephram.

He looked like a little boy crushed on his sister's friend in that scene. It was very difficult to watch. Yes, Madison never should have allowed this to take place. Andy shouldn't have backed down. It would be one thing if they didn't sleep together but Madison also allowed sex (and ultimately, pregnancy) to take place which is the worst part of the entire scenario. Even Tommy didn't pressure Amy for sex thank God. I cannot believe Madison allowed that car sex and who knows how many other gross moments as well.

Greg and Treat were so good in this one.

Emily VanCamp shined the brightest in my opinion, but man, there were some amazing performances in this episode.

It was super dark but thankfully we finally are starting to see some light at the end of a very dark tunnel.

everwoodfan52

He is absolutely ridiculous! Pathetic is good word.


Finally his name fits him.


I guess they wanted the viewers to know for sure how bad they are! lol

Andy is finally giving Nina his time which she needs. Unfortunately Linda is not too thrilled about that.
Right! Good catch! Totally agree. Can't understand why Linda does not see that.

I've always considered him a creep even when he was nice.


- He's like a child having a temper tantrum. Such a baby.

everwoodfan52

I really hate that this happened. It kind of ruined Ephram's respectability a little. Really classless.


I was surprised that she took that drug as well. In fact....it looked like she drank more than Tommy did.

Ephram was left out in the cold with no ally. He didn't even have Madison.

Jerry D

Thanks! This was one of the most powerful and dark episodes of this season, and it seemed to end the first part of Season Two.

The way that Delia was treated by Ephram and Madison was criminal, and Delia also had to deal with Andy dating someone that she initially resented because she was still mourning her mother, and she really had no one to turn to. Ephram and Madison only cared about themselves, and poor Delia was treated horribly by both of them.

I hope that she did too, but as always, their joy for Bright was overridden by their concern for Amy.

Yes, Ephram was a horrible friend, son, and brother due to his obsession with Madison. He gained nothing from their relationship and like Betty said it kind of ruined Ephram's respectability a little. All the negative traits that he had in Season One, traits that seemed to be getting better, were magnified a thousandfold in early Season Two.

That's a really good point. Amy's self-destruction at the party may well have been in reaction to the news she received about Ephram and Madison sleeping together and she seemed ready to sleep with Tommy at that party, but then he passed out and she had her Colin hallucination.

I agree that Bright didn't see or understand the depth of Amy's depression, but her behavior brought out all his long simmering resentment of her for being their father's favorite.

I think that you're right about that, but I wish that Jake was never brought in as a love interest for Nina, and he was never added to the show period.

He was just bad news all around.

That's a really good point.

Harold should have listened to Rose from the beginning.

I think that can happen to a lot of women. Nina was lucky that she had Andy by her side, but she had always been by his side from Day 1.

This series really was well-planned and so much thought went into it.

I really think that's what happened. She was sensing that there was more to Andy and Nina's friendship than either one of them realized at the time.

That's an excellent point.

To be honest, I didn't like how Colin treated Amy in that dream/hallucination. He was downright cruel to her and dismissive of her feelings, and he was basically telling her to stop following him and to get lost and move on. Maybe it was tough love, but I much preferred Julia's kind and gentle way of telling Andy that it was time to say goodbye in his final hallucination of her. Then again, Julia was a kind and loving person in general, while Colin (pre-accident Colin and the angry Colin we later saw post-accident) was a pretty arrogant person and he wasn't like Julia at all, so maybe his harshness was in character for him, and maybe even after he died, Amy was seeing the real him and not some idealized version of him that she wanted to see, so maybe she could see or he wanted her to see that he wasn't the great guy she had envisioned in her mind so it would be easier for her to let him go. Another point is that despite the problems that they were having when Julia was alive, she loved Andy, and so her spirit initially came to him to give him help and advice when he was in the depths of his grief until the point where she gently told him it was time to say goodbye and he never "saw" her again. With Colin, we saw that he was going to break up with Amy before his accident, and he only seemed to tell her he loved her right before his operation because he knew that there was a good chance that he wasn't going to make it through the surgery, so he told her what she wanted to hear as a final gesture. I really don't think that Colin loved Amy, and like she later said, her "love" for him was more like a concept that was left over from her childhood and adolescence rather than a genuine true love for him.

That's a good point. Tommy had given her a Blackberry, but maybe she didn't have it with her, but she remembered that Tommy had one due to his drug dealing, so she found it and called her father. Cell phones weren't as ubiquitous back then as they are now, so she might have just left her cell phone at home.

Ephram totally regressed as a person due to his obsession with Madison. I wish that the writers never introduced this character and storyline.

You never once had the sense of Ephram being boyfriend and girlfriend or having any sense of being on the same level at all. From the beginning, she was ashamed to be with him and afraid of anyone seeing them together, and he was dangerously obsessed with her and like he said, the harder he tried with her the more he pushed her away, because his behavior was dangerously and insanely obsessive.

Yes, there were some incredible performances in this episode.

We definitely are starting to see some light.

jediwands

Yeah. So preventable.



It worked.

Exactly. Plus, the Andy/Nina connection is strong. It's very difficult to miss. Someone as smart as Linda is going to pick up on it.

I wish we would have seen Ephram hook up with her in this episode instead and cheat on Madison if a cheater needed to exist.

It is so strange. I can see her picking up on the connection and the fact that Nina is becoming single in the near future, but being jealous or suspicious because Andy, who is filthy rich, and literally pays for the entire town's medical bills which would mean Nina's financial legal bills would be nothing is just weird.

Somehow I forgot this part! I mean, some questioned if he was sincere at all throughout any of their relationship. He pretty much admits he wasn't in this episode and Amy is too depressed and eventually drunk and drugged to understand this.

Definitely.

jediwands

Yep.

Definitely, it seems she did. He was much more high on drugs obviously.

I think it makes her going to the police station even more irritating.

jediwands

It really was and it definitely was the end to the first part of S2. You could really feel it. It was so dark because there's only light left to show itself.

Exactly. Plus, Delia has yet to find out about Linda's HIV status too. How much more does she need to go through? 10 years old. Lost her mother a couple years ago, brother treats her like she's not there or as a pawn in S2, father is dating, Edna is consumed, Nina is consumed. Horrible. She's also stuck with a horribly annoying friend in Brittany, too.

Such an annoying pattern.

I don't really understand the short-term, as well as, long-term point to this storyline for Ephram. I don't get it at all. I wish Berlanti talked about this.

If you think about it, if it's only about her grades and parents finding out, she wouldn't be angry, she would be scared or anxious, not angry. The anger is due to finding out Ephram slept with Madison.

Yeah, that's precisely what I said. Agreed.

Another loon we could have done without. He overstayed his welcome, just like Madison. Amanda was horrible, really horrible, but at least we only saw her mug for a short time period and the storyline was concluded.

He really was.

Definitely. Rose got pissed eventually and it only made things worse even if it was justified. If Harold would have listened to Rose from the start everything would have been handled so much better for everyone involved, especially Amy and Bright.

Definitely.

There's even hints that Madison enters the picture and gets pregnant way back in S1! I don't remember specifics (would have to go back to our S1 thoughts) but there are literal foreshadowing hints about this which is incredible.





She was in a very bad mood too before they even left for the party so it does make sense she would leave it behind.

Me too.

Exactly.

You could tell everyone knew it was a big episode. They always bring it but the actors really displayed something special due to the challenging storylines.

Finally!

Alexa

im busy finishing housesitting this week, will try to get to the episode on thursday probably.

jediwands

Sounds good, looking forward to your thoughts!