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Old 07-19-2013, 09:23 PM
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#217 “Prudence, Avarice, Lust, Justice, Anger" ~ Episode Discussion

“Prudence, Avarice, Lust, Justice, Anger"

Air Date: July 22, 2013

Synopsis Angelo's relationship with Bay is tested as he fights for custody of his infant daughter. Elsewhere, Daphne and Jace stumble onto a possible political scandal; Nikki learns that Toby's reconnected with Simone; and Emmett sets up a blind date for his mom. Series star Lea Thompson directed the episode
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:39 PM
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Thanks for opening!

Lea's directing (debut?) should be good!

Kinda excited to see Simone, although I wish that it was more than a one episode thing.
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Old 07-20-2013, 01:57 PM
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Yup. Lea directed this episode.

I have a feeling Simone will play into Toby's (lack) of music career. She was always interested in that.

Still don't know how I feel about seeing her
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Old 07-20-2013, 02:04 PM
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i wonder what makes emmett set his mom up on a blind date.
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Old 07-20-2013, 02:10 PM
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Maybe she's lonely and he just wants her to be happy.
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Old 07-20-2013, 02:29 PM
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thanks for the summary. It's interesting that toby is reconnecting with simone.
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Old 07-20-2013, 03:24 PM
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Seems like Toby may not be as ready for marriage as he thinks he is. His reconnecting with Simone could be very interesting
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Old 07-22-2013, 06:16 PM
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Interesting episode.

Emmett had me feeling both sad for him regarding Cameron, but him and Travis were gold.

"This is my nightmare."

"She looks good."

"And now I have a new nightmare."

"He winked at her, whatever that means."

I get Emmett feeling upset about Cameron, but I am glad Melody told him not to let Emmett make decisions for him. She's right.

Also, I felt bad for Bay being in that position. I'm glad she got to meet Abby, and it was 100% wrong for Lana to leave Angelo off the birth certificate, but she is Abby in a sense. It's sucky for Angelo though, but also for the adoptive parents. And it's a real issue too. So many couples have a hard time adopting. But I did love Bay getting to hold her sister.

at Daphne and Jace. Guys, this is not going to end well. Like, at all. Blackmail is never a good way to go about getting things done. And Parker is definitely still preggo IMO.

Simone and Toby were interesting to watch, but I can understand Nikki's uneasiness.

Also, was anyone else surprised that Regina is Simone's sponsor? I wish they'd show more stuff onscreen.
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Old 07-22-2013, 06:33 PM
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I thought the episode was alright. I liked seeing simone again. so the bay/ty stuff I actually liked.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:07 PM
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Also, was anyone else surprised that Regina is Simone's sponsor? I wish they'd show more stuff onscreen.
Weren't we shown that? As a blink and you'll miss it type thing? Maybe I just imagined it. I don't know.

I've always liked Simone. It was nice seeing her again (we only got like 2 seconds of her in the 'what if).

Can Nikki just go away already, ugh. She just comes across as so sanctimonious.

I just can't with Bay/Ty. It just feels like we never get anything substantial with them. It's like, nothing more than physical or something. He's just so wooden.

I think Jace/Daphne may be even duller than Toby/Nikki. I think Jace might've been more interesting interacting with Bay (not necessarily in a romantic sense, but I felt more interest in that little scene where he was rude to Bay than I have in the whole of his and Daphne's relationship.)
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Weren't we shown that? As a blink and you'll miss it type thing? Maybe I just imagined it. I don't know.
There was a scene between them in 1x24, The Tree of Forgiveness, but it was just Simone talking to Regina and Regina saying she had to forgive herself and Simone telling Regina she knows Regina is the worst person to be her friend, but she needs a friend right now.

But it was never implicitly stated that she was her sponsor, especially with Regina falling off the wagon herself.
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Weren't we shown that? As a blink and you'll miss it type thing? Maybe I just imagined it. I don't know.
I don't think we were shown it, but I always imagined it.

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I've always liked Simone. It was nice seeing her again (we only got like 2 seconds of her in the 'what if).
I have to say that I REALLY like having Simone back. She has made some horrible mistakes in the past, but if she truly turns over a new leaf and learns from them, then I am all for forgiving her. She is a great presence on the show. She is part of the show's history. I would still love to see her have a scene with Emmett where they acknowledge the past and move forward. I could see Simone becoming friends with Daphne again (and possibly Toby). I just like her.

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Can Nikki just go away already, ugh. She just comes across as so sanctimonious.
I am on the fence about Nikki. I do like that she didn't over-react about Simone. She doesn't seem right for Toby, though.

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I just can't with Bay/Ty. It just feels like we never get anything substantial with them. It's like, nothing more than physical or something. He's just so wooden.
I am beginning to think that is purposeful. It is obvious the main feature of their relationship is physical. Bay seems all into the sex, too, even more than Ty. Ty was actually pretty cool, encouraging her to go see her sister. He showed more maturity than she did in that instance. Since he is older, that is good to see. Maybe he will help Bay see the bigger picture.

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I think Jace/Daphne may be even duller than Toby/Nikki. I think Jace might've been more interesting interacting with Bay (not necessarily in a romantic sense, but I felt more interest in that little scene where he was rude to Bay than I have in the whole of his and Daphne's relationship.)
What interested me about their interaction is Daphne's consistent approval of Jace's bad ideas before he acted on them. This is NOT going to turn out good for Daphne.
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Another enjoyable episode. Jace was actually kind of funny this episode. Still don't see why he's here though or why Daphne's interested in him. Angelo and Ty were rather hysterical. "I'm a very light sleeper. Very light." Really, really liked Ty tonight. The little picnic, and his music collection, which was pretty much just like mine. Weird. I'm glad we finally got some background on his family. His dad sounds pretty sucky. The Emmett/Travis stuff was great too. They really need to have more scenes together. I wish Simone was back for a longer arc. I like her better than Nikki, even if she was involved in the cheating scandal.

Props to Lea for her awesome directing. All the actors were great tonight!
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:45 PM
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i'm not here for daphne/jace. they are both so dumb and deserve what they get.
i'm not here for bay/ty. bay likes sex, i get it.


actually my fav scenes tonight were the emmett/melody/cameron ones and the toby/simone ones.

angelo continues to bore me.
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Yeah why make Bay so sex driven when being a virgin bothered her before that turned me off.
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