curlyhead

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Episode 4.16 "You Call It Madness, But I Call It Love"

March 28, 2007

LUCAS FINDS OUT WHO KILLED KEITH — It will be an unforgettable Prom at
Tree Hill High when Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) discovers who was in the hallway
when Keith (Craig Sheffer, who does not appear in the episode) was killed. Meanwhile,
Peyton’s (Hilarie Burton) decision to skip Prom leads to dire consequences. Nathan
(James Lafferty) and Haley (Bethany Joy Galoetti) vow to be romantic teenagers at Prom,
while Dan (Paul Johansson) tries to win Karen’s (Moira Kelly) affections, as the witness
to his murder closes in. Barbara Alyn Woods, Danneel Harris and Lee Norris also star.
Tom Wright directed the episode written by Terrence Coli.

• Brooke is called "whore" by her fellow classmates.
  
  
• Brooke approaches Lucas and he tells her that Peyton didn't answer the door when he went to her house. He tells her that he is sorry about her dress, and she says that she almost got it all out. Brooke is surprised that Lucas defended her in his argument with Peyton.
  
  
• After her conversation with Lucas, Brooke leaves and Mouth is upset to be dateless again.
  
  
• Derek sends Lucas a text message
  
  
• Brooke goes looking for Peyton, enters through the back door and then looks in the basement. Derek then grabs her. (end of Act II)
  
  
• Brooke/Peyton argue. I'm not sure if this to distract Derek or if it's for real. (end of Act III)
  
  
• Peyton gets Derek to untie her.
  
  
• Brooke somehow gets untied too, or she tries to get free.
  
  
• Brooke/Peyton have the intense fight with Derek and defeat him. It's a great scene for H/S.
  
  
• B/P return to the prom, with their dresses ripped and dirty. (dirty, probably not bloody, which makes sense since B/P are in the basement)
  
  
• Brooke is crowned queen. Brooke gets dirty looks from the crowd. Peyton is extremely happy for her.

The following prom spoilers are credited to Ang:

• Brooke/Peyton show up at the prom with their dresses ripped and stained with blood/dirt. But they're holding hands.
  
  
  
• Lucas tries to cheer up Glenda who is upset about something.
  
  
  
• Nathan/Haley arrive together at the prom and sit together. There doesn't appear to be any lasting animosity between them from ep. 14/15.
  
  
  
• At the prom, Dan/Karen share some slow dances together. They seem very close, and are together in quite a few scenes. Whitey sees them and as usual confronts Dan about his motives. They have their usual sparring match. Whitey seems bothered about D/K being together. By the way, Deb is not there at all.
  
  
  
• All of the guys except Mouth are dressed in black tuxes. Brooke is in a red dress and Peyton has her hair down and is wearing a white dress with a train. Karen is in a short red dress.

Other 4.16 information:

Lucas is upset to see Dan/Karen getting so close. He shares his concerns with Glenda.

There was a scene shot on the rooftop of Karen's Cafe. N/H evidently go there after the prom. N/H take their predictions out of the wall. ( from 3.07) Nathan excitedly picks up Haley and spins her around. It's a great scene that is believed to be a part of the coda.

Episode 4.17. "It Gets The Worst At Night"

April 4, 2007

EPISODE SHOT ON LOCATION IN HONEY GROVE, TEXAS AS PART OF NATIONAL CONTEST — The teens of Tree Hill mount a rescue mission to retrieve Mouth (Lee Norris) from his ill-advised road trip with Rachel (Danneel Harris). While on the trip, Haley (Bethany Galeotti) and Nathan (James Lafferty) get a second chance to enjoy the prom, and Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and Peyton (Hilarie Burton) decide to take their relationship to the next level. Brooke (Sophia Bush) tells Haley that she lied about stealing the calculus exam, and Nathan struggles with the residue of a past mistake. Barbara Alyn Woods, Paul Johansson and Moira Kelly also star. Greg Prange directed the episode written by Mark Schwahn and Jim Lee.

The gang heads out to Texas to rescue Mouth. While there, their car breaks down and they try to make the best of it by crashing the prom at a local high school to make up for their disappointing TH prom. They buy prom threads at the local thrift shop. They are pleasantly surprised to run into Chris Keller who is performing at the prom as the result of the school winning a contest.

This is the episode featuring the "OTH coming to your hometown contest". (Sunkist) The cast/crew are going to Honey Grove, Texas for filming. Supposedly the gang crashes a high school prom after they break down in a small town.

Episode 4.18. "The Runaway Found."

The following spoilers are credited to "Sam"

• Everything about Nathan and his dealings with Daunte is coming out in 4.18, and N/H will have to figure out how to deal with this regarding their future.
  
  
  
• When Whitey is confronted by reporters, he's obviously angry and states something about how there's no way anyone can take away the state championship.
  
  
  
• Whitey is extremely upset with Nathan and confronts him in the hallway. He even goes as far as to say that Nathan's actions affected his own brother. Haley observes the intense discussion and is concerned. Whitey leaves as Haley approaches. Nathan kind of reaches for Haley's hand for support.
  
  
  
• At a press conference, Nathan, with Haley by his side, apologizes publicly to the school for shaving points and for his dealings with Daunte.
  
  
  
• At school, Chase skateboards over to Brooke and kind of cuts her off in order to talk with her. They do end up having a conversation, but it's unclear if they are actually back together at this point. (My guess is no)
  
  
  
• Also, at school, Peyton hallucinates that she sees bloody PsychoDerek. He's like standing there shirtless in his tux pants. Peyton tells Brooke that she wants to go to the jail to verify that PD is actually there.
  
  
• Colin Fickes was on set to shoot some yearbook photos. I guess these will be shown later. Jimmy is in pics with Mouth, Fergie, and Junk. I'm not positive at this point if Jimmy is in any flashbacks/dreams in 4.18.

Dan tries to stay one step ahead of Lucas as his son tries to question Abby about what she knows regarding Keith's death.

Date: TBA

The following spoilers are credited to Anonymous:

• Nathan and Haley are walking on the Riverwalk, and everyone is giving him nasty looks and calling him a cheater. Haley comforts him and says that everything will be okay. This has to do with the Daunte stuff.
  
  
• Haley/Whitey scene at his house on the porch: She asks for advice about the whole Nathan/Daunte thing.
  
  
  
• At school, Haley is upset with Turner because he won't allow her to be valedictorian. She also says that it's not fair that she be punished for something Nathan did.
  
  
  
• Nathan/Whitey's scene at the Rivercourt: Whitey yells at him and they talk about him losing the scholarship. But Whitey is also his usual fatherly self. He's angry but you know it's just because he looks after Nathan.
  
  
• Nathan bursts into Turner's office to complain about Haley not being valedictorian. Nathan keeps saying that it isn't fair.
  
  
  
• It's yearbook signing day. Mouth stands up on a table and announces that he has Jimmy's yearbook and he asks who wants to sign it. Mouth states that he is giving the yearbook to Jimmy's mother. Lucas is like the first person to go up to sign it. (remember my spoiler about how Colin had some pictures taken for the yearbook?)
  
  
• Lucas/Peyton are apparently discussing college plans. I'm not positive of this, but that's what it sounds like. At school, they are being all cute and couply. Lucas tells her that she needs to follow her dreams and that he will wait for her.
  
  
• Brooke is upset because apparently she told Gigi some confidential stuff and now everything she said is in the yearbook. Gigi is in episode also.
  
  
• There was also a jail scene with Dan filmed. (I don't know any details.)

More 4.19 Spoilers:

Brooke and Chase are back together and very much in love.

There was a classroom scene with Peyton/Brooke/Chase filmed.

Episode 4.20

Date: TBA

The Tree Hill High class of 2007 graduates. None of the parents are there. Haley is the valedictorian. The students sit alphabetically. Bevin trips on stage. N/L sit next to each other, and L/P are separated by one random person. Brooke sits behind Chase. Lucas and Peyton wear honors sashes. Rachel doesn't walk, because she's not there, but her name is called.

Haley goes into labor at the end of the episode. Her water breaks during her speech and Nathan runs up on stage to help her. Right at the end she says, "I have more to say, but I think I'm having my baby."

Bevin/Skills/Nathan scene at the River Court: Bevin says hello and goodbye to Nathan. Nathan/Skills talk about their parents and graduation.

Lucas/Haley scene in front of the hospital. Karen is in the hospital due to complications with her pregnancy. Unfortunately she has to miss the graduation ceremony, and Lucas is pretty upset about that. Haley gives Lucas a bound copy of his novel, a graduation gift from Karen.

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GENERAL SPOILERS

Haley has her baby naturally. As earlier reported, Karen is in the hospital and there are some complications, so she has to have a c-section. Both babies are healthy and fine.

Karen does not lose her baby.

There are no baby showers for either Karen or Haley.

Danneel Harris returned to the set to film a couple more scenes for 4.16. She is not going to be in 17-20 for sure. Time will tell if she will be around for anymore episodes.

Episode 4.20 will feature the graduation of the Tree Hill High students who have somehow managed to endure 2 school years in a 4 year span.

The Nathan/Brooke tryst will not ruin the B/H friendship.

Brooke and Peyton defeat PsychoDerek together and their friendship is stronger than ever.

Brooke and Chase's story will be about falling in love and about all of the romantic parts of a relationship.

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Casting News


Stephen Colletti is returning for episode 18 and possibly for the rest of the season. Expect Chase and Brooke to be a couple again.

Sean Young ("No Way Out", "Wall Street") is supposedly signed to play Abby's mother, Hope Brown, in 4.18.

Matt Barr (PsychoDerek) will be in episodes 15, 16, 17, and 18.

Allison Scagliotti-Smith as Abby(3.16) is returning for three episodes starting in 4.16. (Credit to dolcegrazia)

JJ Redick(Duke, Orlando Magic) will not be making any appearances on the show, contrary to earlier reports.

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March 21, 2007 No OTH

March 28, 2007 4.16

April 4, 2007 4.17

April 11, 2007 4.18

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TV Guide interview with Mark Schwahn on January 17, right before episode 4.11

TVGuide.com: The show definitely left off on a different note before the holidays, when deceased Keith (Craig Sheffer) returned to enlighten Lucas. What made you do that sort of episode?

Mark Schwahn: We usually go into our hiatuses with big cliff-hangers, but as you know, the week before had all the cliff-hangers — the big car accident with Haley (Bethany Joy Galeotti), and Lucas' heart attack. Normally that's where we would leave the audience, but this is our fourth season, and I just felt like we didn't have an opportunity to play Christmas because [it's] actually spring in the lives of the kids in Tree Hill. Around the holidays, people miss their loved ones, and I wanted to write an episode that told those people it was going to be OK. A couple of people said, "Why is It's a Wonderful Life on the TV in the hospital if it's spring?" I wanted to remind the audience and the people of Tree Hill that it is a wonderful life.

TVGuide.com: And then at the end we see Lucas open his eyes, so we know he's awake. The main question I was left with was whether he'd remember that he had that experience.

Schwahn: His journey, certainly in the next handful of episodes, is in coming to terms with what he saw. When you're visited by a dead uncle while you're unconscious, do you act on the things you saw? Do you believe them?

TVGuide.com: But at the same time, Nathan (James Lafferty) has been having visions, trying to remember what happened at the bridge a while back. Will he and Lucas bond over seeing Keith?

Schwahn: We use Peyton (Hilarie Burton) as more of a conduit for Lucas to cycle through all of these things, because Peyton has had so much loss in her life. And it was her who said to Nathan — when he told her at Rachel's house party that he had seen Keith — "Do you not believe it could happen, or do you not believe it could happen to you?" If anybody had a stake in believing that you could see people you have lost, it would be Peyton. It's a very smart instinct to bring Nathan and Lucas together over this, but Lucas shared a kiss and confessed his feelings for Peyton. Now what are they going to be?

TVGuide.com: Right, is it going to make them stronger together?

Schwahn: Well, I think it has the opportunity to. They're two kids that carry around the weight of the world quite a bit. Can they agree together to let go of that weight? The theme for Lucas and Peyton is, "How do you learn to be happy when you've spent so much time carrying grief around? Do you feel guilty for being happy? Is it OK to let it go, especially when you're 17?" Does he have a responsibility to act on the things that he saw, and should he take them to Karen (Moira Kelly), open up those wounds for her again, based on, what, a dream?

TVGuide.com: As far as Nathan and Haley go, I thought for a minute that you might have her lose the baby because of the car accident. Was that ever a consideration?

Schwahn: I love Nathan and Haley, and most of our audience does as well. If we let them be happy, they'd probably be bored, but I never considered having her lose the baby. She would be losing it because of the decisions and mistakes that Nathan had made, and I just didn't feel like they could recover from that.

TVGuide.com: This week, Haley discovers Nathan's dealings with Daunte, which caused the accident. Is that going to break them apart?

Schwahn: In a refreshing turn for Tree Hill, he's going to tell her the truth! [Laughs] She's going to struggle with his deception — not to the degree that our misdirected promo department will lead you to believe — but she certainly has issues with his decision-making. It's a pretty satisfying arc for them. Ultimately, I think that Nathan and Haley, as a couple, can weather almost any storm.

TVGuide.com: And meanwhile, Dan (Paul Johansson) is facing murder charges, sitting pretty in jail after taking the blame from Nathan. Is he finally going to be punished for a lifetime of cruelty, even if this particular accident wasn't his fault?

Schwahn: Probably not. [Laughs] Here's what's really interesting: He may flip out of this one. It may be because he's pulling strings, it may not be. I feel that he took the fall for Nathan because he's healing himself for murdering his brother. If he is set free, that may be the worst thing to happen to Dan.

TVGuide.com: That's true. He's really haunted.

Schwahn: He's very haunted, and it's almost like he's trying to punish himself without saying, "I murdered my brother," because he knows he could never recover from that. If set free, it's almost like he's in his own personal prison.

TVGuide.com: I thought the truth about Dan killing Keith might come out when Lucas revisited the high-school shooting scene. Is that secret going to come out, or what?

Schwahn: That secret will come out.

TVGuide.com: This season?

Schwahn: Yes, this season. I don't know if it will come out before the next hiatus, though.

TVGuide.com: It's so frustrating to watch!

Schwahn: It's a delicate balance. How long do you drag it out? Is there a point where the audience is simply frustrated, or are they still intrigued and putting the pieces together? There is a person who knows the truth and [that person] will turn up the heat. Increasingly, Dan will find that his world is shrinking in terms of the deceit he carries around.

TVGuide.com: If Dan gets out of jail, will we see more of him getting closer to Karen? It's kind of creepy that he's been inching his way back into her life while she's pregnant with his dead brother's baby.

Schwahn: I know, it is creepy, because the audience knows the truth. But I really don't suffer Karen for the choices she's making, because she is in a vulnerable position and she doesn't have many people to turn to. Deb's pill addiction is taking her out of the friendship loop, and Karen finds herself isolated with another pregnancy, similar to where she was 17 years ago — and the guy who abandoned her then is available to her [now] emotionally.

TVGuide.com: Are we going to come full circle here?

Schwahn: What I'm compelled by is [the fact that] as they grow closer, the truth about Dan murdering Keith grows closer as well, and that's going to lead to some explosive things.

TVGuide.com: Is Keith going to visit the Tree Hill gang again?

Schwahn: He might. I actually have a scenario where we would see Keith again. I don't know if we're going to do it, but there's a possibility.

TVGuide.com: Is the Brooke/Peyton/Lucas triangle going to continue, or will Brooke (Sophia Bush) have a separate story line?

Schwahn: Brooke's story line right now is that she's failing calculus and she's going to decide not to cheat but to study. She's going to learn, in her words, that she's "Brooke smart" and not book smart, at which point she and Rachel are going to set their sights on stealing the calculus exams. That story line intersects with Shelly (Elisabeth Harnois), the leader of Clean Teens, who we met earlier in the year. There's a new member of Clean Teens, Chase, played by Stephen Coletti from Laguna Beach, and Brooke's going to take an interest in him. At that point, we'll find out how dedicated he is to a life of abstinence. [Laughs] There is a huge fan base dedicated to Brooke and Lucas, and sometimes [those people] feel a bit betrayed, just as the fan base dedicated to Peyton and Lucas felt betrayed. That tells me that we've done things correctly — that's the strength of a love triangle. Peyton spent a really authentic time with Jake, and I think that Brooke could spend a really authentic time with another character, which doesn't necessarily mean she won't find her way back to Lucas or he won't find his way to her.

TVGuide.com: Do you know if the show will be on next season?

Schwahn: No, I don't, and if you can find out for me.... [Laughs] I've talked about jumping the show ahead five years and skipping college if we come back next season. It's unprecedented and it's never been done, and I think it would be a really compelling journey to take. It doesn't mean we wouldn't go back and dedicate entire episodes and substantial moments to nights in college that affected where they are now.

TVGuide.com: I think I would want to see that!

Schwahn: Well, I would want to write it. When most of these shows go to college, it's hard to create the energy and enthusiasm for their journeys, but as a storyteller, there's such a sense of excitement to tell those stories. I think it would reinvigorate the show in a really good way, so hopefully the CW will see the merits in it.
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Thank you to the many anonymous sources first of all. Also, thanks to Micfall, Sam, Ang, SusanXG, Drops of Jupiter, Amanda, the CW.com, OTH Writers 911 (esp. Cathy and Steph), Fanbolt, Showfax (sides), and others who help to contribute to this thread during the season.

curlyhead

Promo Pics and Links

Episode 4.16 Sneak Peek:

(Lucas/Peyton/Derek)

Episode 4.18. "The Runaway Found"

The following 3 pics are credited to Katie at OTH Forums. Thanks.

Episode 4.17 Prom Picture:

curlyhead

Promo Pics and Links

Behind The Scenes During Episode 4.17:

Episode 4.17 Pics:

4.17 Behind the Scenes Pic:

Episode 4.17 Filming Pics:

More 4.17 Filming Pics In Honey Grove, Texas:

More 4.17 Filming Pics:

-Tasha-

Thanks for the new thread Rebecca!

DuckGirl07

Thanks for the new thread Becky!

same old story

Love the title. So true.

rose parade

Love it, thanks Rebecca!

rock air guitar

Love the new thread!

finallyleyton

Thanks for the new thread. Haley's water breaking during her speech is so predictable. That's got to be a little humiliating.

DuckGirl07

That part is actually over pretty quickly, imagine that. She kind of makes it funny and Nathan jumps up. Then they end that particular scene.

rock air guitar

haha that is so Haley.

innocent_chick

Thanks for the new thread!

yes..that is very Haley

we have so many spoilers!!
btw..Rachel was expelled..yet her name is still called at the ceremony?? i thought only the graduating students had their names called out, thats what happened at mine..

laffytaffy4life

Thanks for the thread. Love the title.

meli5

What's the deal with that piece of paper Rachel drops at the prom that Dan reads?

curlyhead

I'll give you guys some filming tidbits about upcoming episodes:

1. I already told you about Hil/Sophia's brawl with PD. Well, apparently, Sophia did get a pretty nasty lump on her head and the hair/makeup people had to style her hair differently to cover it up for the rest of the scenes filmed, so it must have been pretty noticeable. (4.16)

2. Remember the scene in 4.18 where Peyton hallucinates that she sees PD? Well, at first they shot it with Matt wearing his tux shirt and the shirt all bloody, but then, not surprisingly, they asked him to take off his shirt and that's how they shot the scene.

3. I told you yesterday that 4.18 was an emotional nightmare for Dan. Well, it was an extremely difficult episode for Paul, so much so that he took a vacation afterwards.