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ER Spoilers Headquarters - Buttercup

Yeah, I'm copying the General ER spoilers thing because it's too hard to keep track of everything that comes out for ER in the first post.

Title from the Michelle Branch song. If anyone has any better ideas, let me know [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

I don't know whose side I'm takin'
But I'm not takin' things too well
I can see inside you're achin'
But is it still too early for me to tell?

I try to help you out through the hardest of times
Your heart is in your throat and I'm speaking my mind
Though it looks as if it's over
I'm still not over you

'Cause I still love you like I did before
I know for sure that you still feel the same way I do
If only she knew
Whoa, if only she knew, oh

I try to let it go
but I don't know if I can take it
'Cause the way you looked at me
Made me see that I can't really fake it

I try to help you out through
the hardest of times
Your heart is in your throat and I'm speaking my mind
Though it looks as if it's over
I'm still not over you

'Cause I still love you like I did before
I know for sure that you still feel the same way I do
If only she knew
Whoa

I know she loves you and I can't interfere
So I'll just have to sit back and watch my world disappear
Whoa

I try to help you out through
the hardest of times
Your heart is in your throat and I'm speaking my mind
Though it looks as if it's over
I'm still not over you
Oh, I'm still not over you

'Cause I still love you like I did before
I know for sure that you still feel the same way I do
Whoa
'Cause I will never ever walk away
I'll find a way
She could never love you like I do
If only she knew

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From the last thread:
Nothing you don't have to work for is ever worth having [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Of course she's a plot contrivance. My friend Kess brought up the point that we haven't heard any mentions of her in Africa. If she were really important, wouldn't we be seeing some of her while she's over there?

I'm still holding out for 10.16 spoilers. I have my theories that something big is going to happen for Carby in that episode, since season 10 CarKem is really paralleling season 8 Carsan. I'm hoping for the positive episode SaL ended up being.

Chanie

Bwahaha, good way of putting it. I mean, this kind of thing might work if Maura were to leave, but since she's not, and Noah's not, what's the point of this besides MORE DEVELOPMENT/ANGST for them? Not a hell of a lot.

I mean, it COULD be possible that 'they got pregnant by accident but that's okay because she's also his true love', but what are the chances, especially when less than year ago he was head over heels for Abby? Especially when Carter had JUST broke up with Abby, the love of his life, two months before he met Kem? Especially when Kem just broke up with her own boyfrend like, what, a week before she got together with Carter? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] The way this is set up leads me to believe that the audience is supposed to think that the reason why Carter's so dedicated to Kem is out of loyalty to his child. And like I said before, things are probably so much easier and clearer with Kem. For one, she's having his child, and she is so much more open than Abby, so ready and willing to drool all over him. With Abby, the whole thing was a tad more complicated, but I think you all can agree with me when I say that it felt a lot more real. A substitute for love leaves you feeling empty, not whole. And Kem will most likely turn into just that - a substitute for love.

Another point my friend brought up was, what makes Kem want to leave the relationship she's already in for Carter? (Well, that might not be the case, but just work with me here ..) Hmm, maybe the fact that he's got zillions of dollars? I think that it would be really interesting to turn this into a gold-digging thing, which probably has always been one of Carter's worst nightmares. It'll also pick up from what happened last season, the talk Abby and Carter had about his money and how she said that she didn't care, but obviously he cares about it a lot.

I was talking with a friend and I was saying how it would be cool if Kem was a gold-digger and Abby was the one to find out about it. And my friend pointed out that it would be a very interesting parallel to the Luka/Neecole relationship. Abby seems to trust Kem and thinks she's a nice girl, and she was immediately suspicious of Neecole, even though she was innocent (for the most part). Imagine if she were to find out that Kem wasn't the nice, honest person Abby thought she was? Tee.

I just think that with everything that's happened, Carter and Abby and their individual and shared storylines just tie in with one another so perfectly. They're always interesting and their stories flow together very well. I think that there's a lot left to this couple.

[ 12-10-2003: Message edited Chanie ]

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If it's true that they become true loves and all of that, then there really are penguins writing for this show.

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And that would be completely in character for Carter. He would be so completely in love with his child that he would do anything for his son - even convince himself that he loves Kem. This reminds me a lot of the respective storylines with Benton/Carla and Luka/Neecole. I don't think anyone can argue that both of those relationships happened too fast and resulted in a pregnancy that made the father willing to commit to a woman he didn't love.

My gut instinct when I first read the spoilers for this whole storyline was that she had to be a gold-digger. It would show a lot of continuity on TPTB’s part and it would allow for a ton of personal growth on Carter’s part – growth that Abby is really getting the hang of thus far this season. Carter’s family issues/money issues have been a central issue for Carter since Season One, and until he deals with those properly, he’s not ready to settle down and get married. He wasn’t ready last year when he was going to propose to Abby, and he’s not all of a sudden ready now. Sure, he loved Abby then (and I still believe that he loves her now) but he wasn’t in a place to settle down and commit to her completely. And that was proven by the manner in which he took off to Africa to avoid his problems. If TPTB can somehow convince me that he not only has 1) dealt with the Carter family foundation issues in a satisfactory manner 2) given himself plenty of time to ‘get over’ Abby and 3) convince me that he’s not doing this completely out of neediness and love for his child, then I could find myself liking Kem and Carter. But my best guess right now is that this isn’t going to happen.

I was talking to Kess again (I’m dragging her here, by the way. You guys will like her; she’s m’angel [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]), when she led me to remember a very key point in Supplies and Demands. He turned Abby down because he didn’t want to be the rebound guy. Funny how that works that he’s now doing just that. Carter and Kem will never last; I can’t think of one good example of a rebound relationship (particularly one that seems to be as needy and clingy as this one) that has been successful.

Ooh, I remember you mentioning that to me briefly. I’d definitely be open to that idea [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Exactly. Everything about them ties into each other so perfectly and their stories have been woven so intricately that it just doesn’t make any sense to all of a sudden rip them apart for good. If we left their story as it stands right now, it would be like stopping in the middle of a sentence. There’s too much left to tell to keep them apart forever. And even when they’re with other people, their storylines always seem to tie into Carby. Luka and Abby’s interactions almost always revolve around Carby, as I have few doubts that Carter and Kem’s will.


This post was brought to you by Insomniacs, inc. Thank you and goodnight. Even though it’s 4:30 AM here.

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jgcarby15

Whew...I feel like I went into a war zone! Lol. Mely totally chewed me out in the main spoiler thread for my speculation...not very nice! Is it just me or does it seem like since the lubies have decided that luka/abby are never going to be together again, that they don't want her with carter and want him with kem? I don't know.....

anyways, I have a feeling something carby will happen before the end of the season...they can't go an ENTIRE season with nothing happening between the two...that has never happened before in the history of the years that Abby has been on the show.

I don't know if I can watch tonight...I get nauseous everytime I see the promo or see a promo pic...tonight is NOT going to be a good night...I think I'll just go to karate, imagine my sparring partner is Kem (hehe)...get home at 9:45 and go bed! Maybe I'll tape it...maybe I won't...blahhh...

CarterKerry

Are you really surprised by your experience? That's why I don't discuss ER spoilers at certain places.Its best to discuss spoilers here or places where Carbies hang out. There are a few general boards that are pretty good.

Chanie

Quite.

Exactly. And all the baby anvils they've been giving Abby up until Carter gets back with Kem? What a coinky-dink.

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And an underlying problem for Carter that Abby picked up on right away.

Even if all that stuff happened, I still wouldn't like Kem and Carter sheerly because it's not him and Abby. That's the reason I don't like them now (obviously), but thankfully there's other factors that make them not the best couple evah!!!11

The only reason Carter is supposedly 'ready' for a relationship with Kem is because of that one little fact that she's pregnant. According to all those other factors you listed, it doesn't sound like he's really ready to settle down at all.

And did you see those pics of them at the ER board? She's practically slobbering on him. [img]smilies/look.gif[/img] Ok, that's a little far-fetched, but still. I think that's prove enough for me that they're going to be portrayed exactly as it said in the spoilers, with Kem always drooling over him and saying how he's the Epitome of All Men and Father of her Child and how she Loves Him More .. like I said, for the first little while, I bet Carter absolutely loves all the attention he's getting. That's going to wear off, and fast.

Yep, exactly. They've got everything going for them in TPTB's cherished Angst department, and everything going for them with the romance too. There's only a few select people who don't like them, and they're good enough to be a crowd pleaser but also thought provoking. And that's Chanie being cheesy. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] I highly doubt that these two are done.

Yes, that place does feel like a war zone. I think the last time I went in there someone was saying "::barfs::" to a Carby spoiled .. I didn't go back again. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] But like I said at the Carby thread, don't worry about it, don't even go over there, it's just trouble. You should be complemented that Carby is the only couple important enough on ER to get their own thread. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

[ 12-11-2003: Message edited Chanie ]

DJCreek22

I dont know how much longer I can stand Kem! Is theshow even worth watching anymore?

mcdreamylover

Without Carter and Abby together the show is definitly NOT worth watching anymore IMO. And this is coming from someone who used to love ER.

I've learned one thing from all this and that is not to care that much about what happens in a TV show ever again. That way I won't get too upset when something I hate happens.

ETA Sparkle143 on the Friends board wrote this song to the tune of "We Love You Conrad" from Bye Bye Birdie. She's mad at the writers of that show.
I think it fits perfectly here cause we're mad at the moment of the writers of this show.

We hate you writers, oh yes we do. We really hate you, and this is true. Now because of you, we're blue! Oh writers, oh writers, oh writers we hate you!

[ 12-30-2003: Message edited Zach Braff Lover ]

beautiful mistake

Whoo. This is my first post in a spoiler thread ever. Muwaha, I feel rebelious, or something. Heh. Okay, anway..

I tried to watch Thursday's eppy with an open mind. I really did...for about two seconds. Now, obviously, me being the carby that I am, I'm kinda just gonna hate Carter and Kem automatically. But I was going to try and least look at it from a different point of view, to see if maybe it might be something genuine. Um, no. It wasn't, at all. Seriously, if the writers just simply insisted that Carter have a love interest in the Congo, I would have rather seen him with Debbie. It's rebound for both of them. And I agree with you guys, I can see the gold digger vibes in Kem. When she told him that she was pregnant..there was no reaction there. He wasn't shocked, or angry, or excited, or anything. Okay, TPTB, bring on the angst or whatever you think you're doing, but can we at least have Carter and Abby on the same CONTINENT? Is that so much to ask for? I guess I'll just have to stick to reading fan fic for now, and wait and hope for something to happen, which I think it will, and then we'll get our Carby back. [/end rant]

cheena

Wow I haven't been on this thread in like........forever.....anywats......obviously the lack of Carby action is driving me mad................AND can someone explain to me the concept of not protecting yourself with someone you've just met like what? 3 weeks ago.....Kem runs and AIDS foundation and she doesn't protect herself while having sex with....again someone she just about finished meeting ..OY!!!! whateva [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

I think the good thing about this Carby time out is that Abby is getting her life back on track now, she's getting herself together cause lets be honest the chick was a mess when she was with Carter seriously folks.......but now things are better at least with her. I'd like to think that this is all gonna come together at the end, I mean Kem said she's never lived in the states and she has the foundation so basically her life is in the Congo. Carter is more like taking a field trip, yeah he's helped out but truly his life is at hospital. This might be straneous on their relationship in the future I think, we'll see.

~cheena

imaginary light

Which is the key to their relationship. This is the exact reason that Abby is the right person for Carter. No one else has picked up on that - no one. And I'm pretty sure you can't argue that fact.

I agree that there's really no one else I'd rather see him with then Abby, which says a lot from me because the second I started watching Season 4 reruns, I was all "Oooh, Carter and Anna! They'd be really cute. Too bad she's not on the show anymore." (At that point in time, I had only seen the beginning of season 9 and then the early seasons). But when I saw them at the very beginning (arguably with BSMH), I saw the connection they had, the chemistry, and I was completely enthralled with the nuances of their relationship. This isn't just because they both happen to be my two favorite characters. I loved Mark and Susan, and I was never a huge Mark fan. I would have loved Chen and Malucci, and Orman knows I was never a huge Chen fan. Granted, they are my two favorites, but it's so much more than that.

Like you know I (and all of us) keep saying, he's not "found" yet. He's still missing, and he won't be found until he gets himself back to Chicago and deals with all the stuff he left behind. His family, his family's money, his brother's death (I honestly don't think they're quite done with that yet, and I'd love for it to turn up again. There's a specific scene I have in mind that I'm too lazy to type out now, but the 10.15 spoilers have me hopeful), and his relationship with Abby all got left behind when he took off and ran away. I'm going to be mightly-not-impressed if TPTB have him settle down with someone he hardly knows while he's still in such a bad place. She doesn't really know a damn thing about him, and that would be major let down after watching 10 seasons of Carter and wanting the very best for him, whomever it may be she's not it.

Because we're the bestest ::looks::

<--dork

Word.

Funny how so many people have picked up on this and yet the two healthcare professionals don't. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

And someone (I don't remember who, but it was from C&P) was speculating that Kem might choose to have an abortion because she thinks she's doing them both a favor: that way she can continue her work, he can stay in Chicago, and they wouldn't be tied down with flying the poor kid over the Atlantic every other weekend [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] And this could be a key thing to revive the friendship and trust between the two by bringing up Abby's abortion as she tries to console him or whatnot. I'm not sure how feasible an idea this is, but I think I'd definitely be open to the possibility. Maybe this could be that terrible tragedy that Jen was talking about? I have no idea anymore as to how it's going to end, just the knowledge that it's somehow going to. And then that it's going to be a much longer road than last time to rebuild the Carby relationship.

Jasper1975

How do we know Carter and Kem were having unprotected sex. It's been known to happen, that you get pregnant even when using the pill or a condom.

And I think Kem's too far along to consider abortion when they are in Chicago!

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DJCreek22

Carter clearly wants Abby in his life, when Kem asked about her, he definitely took a moment to think about her. And he was like "a friend... I still hope she is."

And with Carter and Kem, 6 FREAKIN weeks??? I thought they were gonna atleast know eachother the majority of the 7 months he's there. I'm kinda glad that they did that though, cuz less of a chance they will be together in the end. I am really hoping for some Carter/Abby friendship moments, those were the best, other than when they were actualy together. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

If Carter and Kem last, this season has been a complete waste of my time.

imaginary light

We don't know anything for sure, but I'm not aware of a high availability of birth control in Africa. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though because I really have no idea.

Like I said, I don't think this is going to happen either; it's not particularly feasible. But if the writers wanted to do it, they'd find a way to bypass the gestation time. This is ER we're talking about. I could name a million critical medical mistakes they've made off the top of my head. I was just bringing it up as an idea to discuss, I thought it was an interesting theory/possibility (even if it isn't that possible).

Don't worry. I can think of about a million reasons Carter and Kem won't last and only about one reason of why they should cough Baby cough. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

One last thing. If the due date is May 24th, as Donatella said (I think), then the date of conception would be late August/very early September. Does anyone remember when Kem announced she was pregnant, because I thought I remembered it being about Thanksgiving/Christmastime, meaning it's less likely that the baby is his. But of course, TPTB could decide to fiddle with the human gestation period. They do it with everything else, right? [img]smilies/look.gif[/img]