Foxie

That and I also think, that it's because she was raised as a royal and practically was raised in the war.


And the Force supposedly created Anakin to bring balance to the world, but what if it meant to bring the balance through his grandson all alond? Some sort of a masterplan

Crystal Clear

Exactly - Leia was used to political war debates, having been raised so differently to Luke

I love the idea that Ben Solo is the physical embodiment of what the Force intended to be all along through the Skywalker blood line, and that Rey is the other part of him and they are romantic soul mates, destined to reform the Force to its natural point of ease

Foxie

"Show me… Grandfather… and I will finish… what you started."

Anakin technically didn't start anything to bring the balance, it was the Force, who started it all, but this could be a foreshadowing.

Crystal Clear

I love that Kylo has grown from hero-worshipping his grandfather's skull to becoming the Supreme Leader. Upgrade!


I think Kylo had strong misconceptions about what Vader's legacy actually became, and Snoke took advantage to make him think that the Dark Path is the only true way of the Force, when in fact, Rey comes into his life and gives him a completely alternative viewpoint, to the point where he says


"Let the past die" - and he includes "The First Order" in this speech.

Foxie

Absolutely an upgrade Anakin was never a Supreme Leader.


It's like Kylo completely erased the part, where Anakin sacrificed himself for his son and for the greater good.


His point of view is good, just the execution still needs to be improved.

Crystal Clear

I think Kylo was taken under Snoke's wing in such a swift and brutal manner that key parts of his family's history were left out, such as Anakin's reincarnated good spirit before he dies he's not Vader when he dies. That's the key thing.


I feel as if Kylo's speech to Rey in the throne room when he proposes ruling the galaxy together had honest intentions on his part, but he has such mixed ideas of what it means to "rule" that he ended up letting his temper get the better of him ("YOU'RE STILL HOLDING ON!") - he sees Rey's mind as having been twisted by Luke in the way that he believes his own was.

Foxie

Snoke presented him Anakin's sacrifice as an act of weakness. It was an act of love. Something someone like power-hungry Snoke can't understand.


There is nothing wrong about ruling or monarchies. It just has to be done right. So his offer about ruling the galaxy really wasn't completely wrong. I can see Ben and Rey as rulers of the galaxy. Just not in the way he proposed to her. Literally killing the past is not a solution. I'm imaginating them ruling together more like teaching people about new ways, let the past die figuratively, forget about Sith and Jedi as they were and create new orders.

a new hope

When Anakin is offering Padme to rule the galaxy together, he's full on dark. He just wants everything to be his and to show his power. I don't think Kylo's was the same. He wanted to start over with Rey. But it was such messy situation, Rey was so in her head, and Kylo still had an ambition in him that scared Rey...

Foxie

I still don't think that Rey was that much in her head, when she wanted to save lives of her friends.

a new hope

I can see it in both ways I guess. She was so shaken.

Foxie

She was in a really tough spot and I don't think she could think clearly, but ultimately saving the Ressistance was the right call. The way she did it maybe wasn't completely ok, but who can blame her. She was a mess too.

a new hope

Yeah exactly, it's not like she was calm and collected to handle the situation perfectly

Foxie

It was a lot. The Ressistance was under attack and Kylo/Ben just basically proposed to her. The same man, who refused to stop the attack and who she's just fought side by side to defeat Snoke's guards. Even the proposal alone would be overwhelming

a new hope

Yeah honestly if I was in her shoes I would've sat down in a fetal position and cried

Foxie

Yes, I'm not good with stress and pressure