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Old 01-31-2018, 12:07 PM
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Oh, I'm trying to be a realist, but usually failing hard
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:17 PM
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If I understand anything about story arcs, then I feel that is where Kylo's is heading
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:24 PM
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It wouldn't make much sense if it didn't. Why else do all the hard work to show his conflict, his unfortunate past develop his relationship with Rey that way
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:27 PM
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Yes I think that's almost a foregone conclusion at this point that Ben Solo is going to be redeemed. But the question is... at what cost?

If they don't go that way that would be really weird! And... I think after the surprise that was TLJ to a lot of people, they can't go with a total surprise again!

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It's not just giving people what they want, though. It's about honoring the story arc that Ben Solo deserves


Anything less than redemption and happiness for him will be a disappointment.
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:39 PM
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Couldn't agree more It's not about what people want, but what will make sense and what give the story the ending it deserves.
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I would be most impressed if JJ rounded up his story arc in this satisfying way. I love full circle stories. From villain, to conflict, to hero.


I love the idea that he'll come to his own realization about it. He doesn't need Snoke, or the Dark Side, or Hux or anyone... His connection with Rey is his ultimate thread to humanity and I hope this renews his faith in the Light. Up until that point, I don't think he had anything concrete to build any hope upon. Snoke had brainwashed him too far against his parents. Rey was the only one left with the power and faith to restore Ben Solo's faith in himself.
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Old 01-31-2018, 02:01 PM
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Yeah, he will do the realization on his own, but having someone waiting for him, when he turnes back is big game-changer
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And Rey must remember her words to him in the elevator: "You'll turn... I'll help you."
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Old 01-31-2018, 02:17 PM
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Yes, she does , but they both saw each other turn, so I just can't wait for them realize that neither of them was wrong the balance
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Old 01-31-2018, 02:19 PM
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I love the idea that their visions only half came true in the throne room (when they helped each other and ALMOST turned to each other's side afterwards). I love the idea that Episode IX will extend upon what TFA and TLJ has set up for them. Rey will be waiting for him, and Ben will join her on his own terms.
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And there will be balance

But I've been thinking. There is a lot of talk about creating a Grey Jedi, but isn't it just another labeling? Right now in SW Universe, characters are being labeled, they are either dark or light, which obviously creates a lot of tension between the sides. But if someone is being labeled again as grey, wouldn't the person feel the pressure too? To actually staying grey and not to clinge more to one side? I would just get rid of any labeling and there will be only Force user, no labels. But I think I might be nitpicking here
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I don't think labeling is a thing anymore. It's already been established by Daisy and Adam that there is no black and white area when it comes to the dark and light side. Rey and Kylo have both sides within them, and it's really about them coming to terms with that
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Old 01-31-2018, 02:58 PM
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Yeah, unofficialy it's not a thing, but officialy they are still being labeled. But that's the point of this whole trilogy. To stop labeling and dividing society. Honestly, the real world should take something from that
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Well said


See? Star Wars inspires deep analytical conversations
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