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Crystal Clear 03-25-2018 06:06 AM

Family Feud | Ben {Kylo} & Luke | Adam & Mark #3: Luke's error had been to assume that Ben Solo's choice had been made. (Rey)
Ben {Kylo} & Luke
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LUKE: "I failed you, Ben... I'm sorry." / KYLO/BEN: "I'm sure you are!"

Star Wars: 12 Homages To Classic Cinema In The Last Jedi :read:



Kurosawa’s classic film was an existential meditation on the nature of truth in cinema and one of the very first films to utilize an unreliable narrator. The entirety of the plot is composed of multiple iterations of the same incident but from a different perspective each time. As a result, the story is drastically altered each time, depending on who is telling it.

Johnson utilizes this same technique to great effect when it comes to the relationship between Luke and Kylo Ren. On three different occasions throughout the film, we are told the story of what happened the night Kylo turned on Luke.

The first version told by Luke paints him to be the victim of the memory. He was but a well-meaning teacher, whose pupil turned against him and destroyed everything he loved. The second telling is when Kylo recounts waking from his sleep to find a menacing master standing over him with a drawn lightsaber. Thus, Kylo’s version paints him as the victim of the story, simply fighting back against his murderous master.

The final time we see the memory unfold is from Luke once again, but this time is a more open and honest version. Here, Luke opens up about his guilt and doubt, and how that leads to Kylo’s reaction. In using Rashomon’s structure for these stories, the film offers deeper insight into both Luke and Kylo’s characters and allows us to see their world through their own eyes.

- WhatCulture


KYLO/BEN: "Did he tell you what happened that night?" / REY: "Yes!" / KYLO/BEN: "No. He sensed my power... As he senses yours."


KYLO/BEN: "The Resistance is dead! The war is over, and when I kill you... I will have killed the last Jedi!"


LUKE: "Strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you, just like your father. / KYLO/BEN: "No.." / LUKE: "See you around, kid."


LEIA: "I know... My son is gone." / LUKE: "No-one is ever really gone."

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a new hope 03-25-2018 06:49 AM

Thanks for opening :kiss:

Crystal Clear 03-25-2018 07:08 AM

You're welcome :high_five:

Rey's realization in the novel as she is looking upon Kylo unconscious in the throne room :cry:

Foxie 03-25-2018 07:27 AM

Thanks for the new thread, Gwen :flowers:

Crystal Clear 03-25-2018 07:30 AM

YW :kiss:

Luke told a little white lie to Rey, and Kylo knew it :evil_bat:

Foxie 03-25-2018 07:34 AM

I'm sorry, I don't remember the context of it :goof: :D

Crystal Clear 03-25-2018 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Foxie (Post 93434715)
I'm sorry, I don't remember the context of it :goof: :D

Luke put a spin on the Jedi Temple fire story that wasn't completely the truth, making himself out to be a tad more innocent than he actually was (exemplified in the third flashback)

Foxie 03-25-2018 08:01 AM

Oh, that :goof: :lol:

Crystal Clear 03-25-2018 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Foxie (Post 93434889)
Oh, that :goof: :lol:

:headslap: :lol:

It was a white lie, but ultimately, Luke and Ben both had their own versions of the truth that made sense to them.

a new hope 03-27-2018 05:07 AM
CATCH PHRASE!, Ok but what if Luke tried to Yoda-train Kylo???

Foxie 03-27-2018 10:03 AM

Love it :lmao:

How come I never noticed this before?! :eek:

Crystal Clear 03-27-2018 10:25 AM

^ Wow, seriously? :eek: I thought it was just exploded wood and bricks from the temple.

I don't know why I'm surprised, though - it was clarified that students died.

That said, it does make this scene way more captivating to look at :thud: (I'm not trying to be morbid :rotfl:)

Foxie 03-27-2018 10:36 AM

I know what you mean, suddenly the image feels even more devastating :cry:

Crystal Clear 03-27-2018 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by Foxie (Post 93456516)
I know what you mean, suddenly the image feels even more devastating :cry:

I suppose that's the point ;) they want it to show the extent to which Luke really feared his nephew had gone over to the Dark Side. :(

a new hope 03-27-2018 12:44 PM

Wow I hadn't noticed either :eek:

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