Star Wars - Family Feud | Ben {Kylo} & Luke | Adam & Mark #3: Luke's error had been to assume that Ben Solo's choice had been made. (Rey)

**Crystal Clear** · 03-25-2018, 06:06 AM

Ben {Kylo} & Luke
Nephew / Uncle
Jedi Student / Jedi Teacher
Family / Rivals
Adam & Mark

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LUKE: "I failed you, Ben... I'm sorry." / KYLO/BEN: "I'm sure you are!"

Star Wars: 12 Homages To Classic Cinema In The Last Jedi

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Rashomon

Kurosawa’s classic film was an existential meditation on the nature of truth in cinema and one of the very first films to utilize an unreliable narrator. The entirety of the plot is composed of multiple iterations of the same incident but from a different perspective each time. As a result, the story is drastically altered each time, depending on who is telling it.

Johnson utilizes this same technique to great effect when it comes to the relationship between Luke and Kylo Ren. On three different occasions throughout the film, we are told the story of what happened the night Kylo turned on Luke.

The first version told by Luke paints him to be the victim of the memory. He was but a well-meaning teacher, whose pupil turned against him and destroyed everything he loved. The second telling is when Kylo recounts waking from his sleep to find a menacing master standing over him with a drawn lightsaber. Thus, Kylo’s version paints him as the victim of the story, simply fighting back against his murderous master.

The final time we see the memory unfold is from Luke once again, but this time is a more open and honest version. Here, Luke opens up about his guilt and doubt, and how that leads to Kylo’s reaction. In using Rashomon’s structure for these stories, the film offers deeper insight into both Luke and Kylo’s characters and allows us to see their world through their own eyes.

- WhatCulture

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KYLO/BEN: "Did he tell you what happened that night?" / REY: "Yes!" / KYLO/BEN: "No. He sensed my power... As he senses yours."

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KYLO/BEN: "The Resistance is dead! The war is over, and when I kill you... I will have killed the last Jedi!"

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LUKE: "Strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you, just like your father. / KYLO/BEN: "No.." / LUKE: "See you around, kid."

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LEIA: "I know... My son is gone." / LUKE: "No-one is ever really gone."

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a new hope · 03-25-2018, 06:49 AM

Thanks for opening

**Crystal Clear** · 03-25-2018, 07:08 AM

You're welcome

Rey's realization in the novel as she is looking upon Kylo unconscious in the throne room

Foxie · 03-25-2018, 07:27 AM

Thanks for the new thread, Gwen

**Crystal Clear** · 03-25-2018, 07:30 AM

YW

Luke told a little white lie to Rey, and Kylo knew it

Foxie · 03-25-2018, 07:34 AM

I'm sorry, I don't remember the context of it

**Crystal Clear** · 03-25-2018, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxie (View Post)

I'm sorry, I don't remember the context of it

Luke put a spin on the Jedi Temple fire story that wasn't completely the truth, making himself out to be a tad more innocent than he actually was (exemplified in the third flashback)

Foxie · 03-25-2018, 08:01 AM

Oh, that

**Crystal Clear** · 03-25-2018, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxie (View Post)

Oh, that

It was a white lie, but ultimately, Luke and Ben both had their own versions of the truth that made sense to them.

a new hope · 03-27-2018, 05:07 AM

CATCH PHRASE!, Ok but what if Luke tried to Yoda-train Kylo???

Foxie · 03-27-2018, 10:03 AM

Love it

How come I never noticed this before?!

**Crystal Clear** · 03-27-2018, 10:25 AM

^ Wow, seriously?

I thought it was just exploded wood and bricks from the temple.

I don't know why I'm surprised, though - it was clarified that students died.

That said, it does make this scene way more captivating to look at

(I'm not trying to be morbid

)

Foxie · 03-27-2018, 10:36 AM

I know what you mean, suddenly the image feels even more devastating

**Crystal Clear** · 03-27-2018, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxie (View Post)

I know what you mean, suddenly the image feels even more devastating

I suppose that's the point

they want it to show the extent to which Luke really feared his nephew had gone over to the Dark Side.

a new hope · 03-27-2018, 12:44 PM

Wow I hadn't noticed either

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