Charlone

Does Snoke know what happened in the end to Vader? I think only Luke knows

a new hope

Honestly I have no idea! I figured if Kylo knows, Snoke knows, cause even if Kylo didn't tell him, Snoke would've read his mind/feelings when they talk about Vader. But Vader himself considered himself and Anakin as two separate beings, on Rebels he says "Anakin is dead"

Charlone

That's true.. but I always feel that Anakin was the one with a lot of darkness in himself and not Vader. I mean he was still "Anakin" when he murdered all the kids, and was Vader when saved Luke. I guess Kylo never understood Vader's redemption.

a new hope

^True words

Tech Noir

From my perspective of that scene, Luke spared Kylo Ren’s life when he really shouldn’t have. Luke’s assessment about his nephew being dark and dangerous had been spot on. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Luke immediately rushed to the decision to kill Kylo Ren; I think the whole mental process to reach that point must have been difficult and painful for him. However, I do think it’s quite possible that Ben Solo used that attempt on his life as an excuse to become “Kylo Ren.” My opinion is he would have followed the path he’s on no matter what. Something or other would have triggered him. He was a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. So to answer your question, I hold Kylo Ren accountable for any decision he makes about his life, including his reaction to Luke almost killing him. Not saying any of this to be argumentative, contrary, or troll-y. I legit feel this way.

I know he backed off from killing Leia at the beginning of the film, but didn’t Kylo also attempt to kill her (along with the other Resistance fighters) without backing down at the end of TLJ or was he just trying to capture them or did he not know she was there?

I tried to go into TLJ with an open mind when it came to a Kylo Ren redemption arc, but I have no idea how this character could ever be fully redeemed in a believable way, especially after everything he’s done. Fiction or not. I guess I’ll just have to wait and see.

a new hope

I don't know, I personally got the idea that it was an impulse, because Luke describes is as kind of snapping out of it once he realizes what he's about to do. But honestly this could be one of those stories that have a million different interpretations.

I'm gonna have to rewatch it cause once he gets there and sees Rey going on board the Falcon he makes no effort to attack or stop them, so I'm not sure.

Well to each their own I think SW is all about redemption and I think they can make it work, hopefully with a happier ending than Anakin's. I'm glad Luke did apologize during their fight scene though.

Tech Noir

I don't want to be too open or too closed off about any redemption scenes because then I'll only end up being pissed off when I don't get what I want.

a new hope

That's a good strategy I'm already way too hopeful to be honest I hope I don't get frustrated.

sweet creature

^ I'm exactly the same. And since we have to wait so long for a new movie, I know I'll just create a lot of expectations.

Anyone has a link to that deleted scene, please? I had no idea there was one.

jung trooper

from what I understand the scene never made it to the blu ray, but was described to fans by JJ and the other writers, it was Kylo coming out into the snow after killing Han and you could see the remorse and that killing his father had the opposite effect on him, instead of pushing him to the dark side more, it made him more in touch with his feelings and he felt the pull to the light more than ever. it's why he's so angry when we see him again on screen (as opposed to, let's say, gloating about killing Han)

sweet creature

Oooh okay. That's so interesting to know, thank you for explaining. I really wish that scene had been on the actual movie or at least on the BTS feature cause it really puts a new perspective into things.

crash landing

Thanks for it all

wickedrum

yes, that should have been included

Musickat18

This. And also, in TFA Kylo doesn't seem to agree with everything Hux and Snoke are doing. He was up in his ship in space when Hux blasted all those planets, and he tried to get Snoke to give him more time with Rey before blowing them up. Nothing excuses his actions for sure. Either way you swing it, he's murdered people. But even after TLJ I don't think he's ever been fully on the dark side. That's why he killed Snoke. That's why he hesitated to kill his mother. That's why he was crying when he killed his father and agreed that he's a monster. Vader didn't have any doubts until the very end. He was fully drinking the Emperor's koolaid.

jung trooper

^i agree