Waldfrau

Me too! Especially Laris!

Yep, now it would be a disappointment if they didn't.

I was thinking the commodore is Vulcan (although quite a frustrated one) and the operative was a human disguised as Romulan. Didn't the Lieutennant call him "baby brother"? At this point I wondered if the Romulan assassination squad was just hired by Starfleet Intelligence to make it look like it was the Romulans...or maybe Section 31 is involved again?

I liked the way they portrayed Romulan society as radically secretive even amongst themselves. I guess that would explain why they dislike androits. Someone like Data would record everything and could get hijacked, thus betraying the secrets. (It would also explain why they don't seem to have telepathic abilities like Vulcans, they would simply despise it, because in a mind meld it's hard not to betray secrets.)

I feel sorry for Doctor Asha (didn't catch the first name). On a more humorous note I wonder what intelligence services call this information gathering method - "the bedside approach", "the f.... around method"?

I can't wait for the next episode!

edit:

I just rewatched it and realized the Lieutennant and the bearded operative were talking about her looking weird with round ears, so their probably both Romulans and the commodore too. I still don't understand why the Lieutennant would nead a human disguise, but the commodore doesn't.

Meliana

An interesting episode. It's been a slow build up so far, but like the darkness of the world, and how it's a fluid story so far.

I keep wanting to see Picard back in the Captain's chair though!

Waldfrau

He probably will be, but without the official authority! (And his companions will argue about every move )

Here's the ready room link for the episode discussion:

https://www.facebook.com/StarTrekThe...9847667797931/

(Haven't watched that one yet.)

Chris

Agree on both points.


Laris is terrific. I hope we see lots more of her.

LOVED that. And Picard expecting the receptionist to know who he was, then realizing that he'd have to introduce himself.

Starfleet has lost touch with it's mandate.

And that goes along with what we already know about the Romulans

the "round ears" comment made me laugh. I think the Romulans must have infiltrated Starfleet on various levels.

I didn't like this eppy quite as much as the first, but I am intrigued to find out how they're going to bring everything together.

Arrakis

All that you guys are saying doesn't sound very promising tbh. I'm scared this show may actually destroy the positive picture I have ot star trek. It sounds like yet another "let's make everything dark and dystopian to subvert expectations" kind of sequel project. Maybe I'll just stick with discovery.

Waldfrau

If it's a Romulan infiltration not all of it is Starfleet's fault. I agree the dystopian stuff gets tiresome, but the cast and their individual stories look very promising. And even if the Romulans are the baddies we at least have good Romulans like Laris and Zhaban.

crash landing

I personally think this has the chance to reinvent itself from what I gathered of what Laris was saying is that it’s not solely Romulans or was she saying that Klingons and Federation had been infiltrated by Romulans ... I think maybe it’s each has their group of people that are anti-AI

I also am getting a very subtle “racism” perspective could be Trek subtle political but it has me intrigued at the same time 24th or 25th century isn’t without its racism and maybe Trek could use it as a message to humanity of 21st century

That ^^ could just be me but it’s the feeling I got both about how the reporter spoke of the Romulans AND how F-8 was treated in the shipyard

Either way it’s only been 2 episodes right now it’s still “slow” but strong building and thought provoking

crazy_diamond

It is slow moving, but I get why it's doing that, building the characters and storyline..

I wouldn't say it's that dark

crash landing

I loved both episodes and have felt even if it’s “slow” it’s been some of the best Star Trek I’ve seen

I can see where the “dark” is coming from related to Picard’s reaction to how the Federation withdrew from saving Romulan citizens feel like that alone was very thought provoking and I know I plan to rewatch his visit to Starfleet cause I feel like that female Admiral provided more info that I feel like Federation isn’t exactly 100% to blame where it could be an interesting topic of discussion the whole surrounding around those events

Chris

I haven't found it too dark so far. The theme of prejudice against Romulans and AI is definitely there. They are taking their time letting the storyline unfold.

crash landing

Which I feel adds to it it’s certainly there and excited to see where it goes from there where I still believe it could be some of the best of the history of Star Trek ... Yes high expectations

Waldfrau

I thought the talk with the Admiral was quite realistic. We'll see if it's a crazy dark conspiracy or more like allday prejudice and pragmatic decisions...

I felt the reporter in the first episode was a bit over the top and they could have portrayed her a bit more considerate. Picard would still have made the point that he was saving lifes no matter if they were Romulan. It would have been even more impressive if the reporter wasn't impolite and Patrick Steward could have worked with that equally well.

crash landing

Same extremely realistic where if he was allowed to return than that would feel unrealistic where to be honest he has no right to have asked what he asked even outside of his “outburst” in public of the interview

I want to thrawt the reporter but at the same time feel that was realistic too his first interview and to be honest feel like any reporter would possibility have been like that

I think a lot of what Picard has already started to show is that even in all the advances in the future humanity can still have its ugly side, no war and no money but at our core as a species, it could be realistic to say humanity will never be beyond prejudice/racism unless the show is subtle hoping to teach humanity of now to smarten up

Waldfrau

Has anyone seen the preview clip for the third episode yet? (It's at the end of the ready room.)

Chris

Yes, the scene with the Admiral was realistic. After the way he left, and the time that's passed, it would have been weird for Starfleet to give him a vessel and crew. Agree. They made a point of saying he didn't usually do interviews, so to jump on him like that seemed rude.