agentniki

Wonder if Bash would find out about Francis' condition early?
I worry that it might make him feel he needs to devote his time and attention to his duty/his brother even more this time. It makes a reconciliation with Kenna harder to imagine.

Christian'sKimberDoll

I think Bash's storyline is connected with Delphine's. So I can't see him having much time with brother Francis. It's more about the Bash/Delphine bond. And I hope someone will notice his odd behavior. I doubt as well that we'll see a Kennash reconciliation as long as Delphine lives. That's why I hope that there is a way to get rid of D without harming Bash.

icygrace

Keeping up via phone is definitely a struggle - I sympathize! But it's definitely better to pop in now and then than not at all

Yeah, I could see that being a double-edged sword.

Part of me would want to explain away Bash's s2 behavior by saying that he's KNOWN for some time that Francis is ill and that this isn't JUST Francis and Nostradamus's little secret (especially since Nosty and Francis have clearly been in some sort of contact off-screen) and that's why he's been so out of it in his marriage. (And that could even explain that weird "brave Mary" moment that seemed so out of the blue - he knows what's coming for her? Perhaps unlike with his own situation, with Frary he has the perspective to see that despite Monde, Mary really does love Francis and so will understandably be devastated).

But my fangirl rationalizations of irrational behavior aside, I do think it's very likely Bash will find out about Francis's condition before other people (how soon remains to be seen, since Francis seems intent on protecting people from that knowledge), because there are so very few people Francis can rely on and Bash is one of them. After all, it was Bash he planned getting Mary out of France with when he was worried that people might find out he killed Henry.

If it weren't for the fact that I think an immediate/semi-immediate Kennash reconciliation is unlikely, one s3 potential SL for drama would be first Kenna getting jealous of (platonic) Mash because Bash knows about Francis's impending doom and she doesn't (and perhaps nor does Mary at that point) and then eventually Kenna would find out the truth and it might or might not bring back the same secret-keeping issues, but she might think this is different and understandable because it's SPECIFICALLY about Francis, Bash's little brother, as opposed to Francis, his king, and just feel bad that he's been struggling with it alone. Kenna sometimes (IMO unfairly) gets a bad rap for selfishness and I think her reaction in this hypothetical situation could counter that nicely.

But then all of this is also true . . .

(Hmm, I wonder if Bash would try and get Delphine to heal Francis before trying to break the bond?)

Christian'sKimberDoll

I thought the same. There must be a greater reason why Bash (or the writers) brought her to court. She is a healer first and foremost and not a witch (if she is one). But even the writers can't change history. So Francis will die sooner or later.

unstableharpy

I think Bash will find out fairly early into the season. He will notice something being off with Francis' behavior, and Francis will come clean. But I don't see it being a big part of hiss storyline, at least not in the first half of the season. At the beginning, the focus will be on Delphine, and later the focus will be split between Kenna and Delphine. Plus, Francis generally relies on Bash when someone needs to get stabbed, and this time, Bash killing someone won't solve a thing. Unless Francis wishes to off his own mother.

Personally, I wish (I know it's never gonna happen) for Francis trying to help Bash to sort his love life out while he's still there. He saw how happy he used to be with Kenna, and wants that back for Bash. If Kenna could heal Bash after what Marry has done, she could help him after Francis dies. Also, Francis forgave Mary so he could nudge Bash in the right direction.

I don't really see Bash letting Delphine anywhere near his brother. Not after what she did. Nostradamus is there, and that's how good it gets.

Christian'sKimberDoll

And his own example with Mary shows that nothing is impossible when the love is strong enough.




I hope you are right. But I'm not sure. If D can convince Nosty that she is a good person maybe he will allow her to help him heal Francis.

icygrace

I also think Francis would want Bash to be able to look back at life with no regrets, as he hopes to do the next time he's staring death in the face and that may be a poibt he tries to drive home

unstableharpy

This will be a bit longer post since I missed so much.

It's clear that LM likes to play with the theme of superstitions and enjoys teasing us with the supernatural world. But I feel like she did one fake supernatural case too many, and it's now to late in the game to change it. Apart of Nosty, whose visions are nowhere near of what Delphine has done, there's no real supernatural occurrence on the show. But at the same time, she went too far with Delphine to make her now not supernatural. Sure, LM can try to explain it all by saying that what we saw was Delphine's POV, but that doesn't explain Bash's reaction.

I don't see them dealing with Delphine in a way that makes any sense. They made her too supernatural to back down now. The Darkness made sense in a way. Predicting a plague outbreak in Renaissance France is about as difficult as predicting rain in Scotland. The falling stars though, it was once again a step a bit too far. They have to finally make the decision. Is Reign set in a world where supernatural powers exist, or not? And they have to stick to that decisions. Also, someone needs to inform Bash if supernatural doesn't exist on Reign, because he's looking a bit too dumb right now.


Bash might not be done with Delphine, but I sure am.

I hope Bash will eventually realize that what Kenna has done was an act out of desperation not only for herself, but also for her child. Perhaps, Delphine's craziness might help him realize that a deception done out of desperation is not the same as a deception done for personal gain.

I mean what right does he have to judge Kenna for trying to trick him, when he was willing to let someone die in his place just six weeks before that. He was scared, and and desperate, and that made him act selfishly. The person that would pay the price wouldn't even be some random stranger, as far as he knew, it would be someone he loved. And he still was willing to go through with it. Kenna was scared and desperate, and her decision wouldn't even cost anyone their life. Now, let's talk of who is selfish, and who is a judgmental a** .

Actually, not only should Bash understand where Kenna was coming from, but he also should see why Kenna told Catherine of Diane's plan long time ago.

So yeah, Kenna deceived him, but compared to what he has done, he has no right to judge her. Actually, he doesn't really have a right to judge anyone. How convenient for him to randomly forget that little incident.
I'm still so mad

I'm still mad about Renaude's fate. He was so nice. Too nice for this show. Renaude and Castleroy deserved better.

Renaude made Kenna happy, was genuine, and not sleazy as Antoine, and that was enough for me to like him. And if I did not still (for some reason) ship Kennash, I'd ship Renaude/Kenna hardcore. Renaude really was Bash's opposite in the best way possible, and that was what Kenna needed at the time.

Now, I'm wondering what Bash would do if he was the one being hanged. Would he prefer Kenna to be there, or somewhere far away? Would he advise her to destroy his name to save herself? Would he be as nice and as kind as Renaude were? So many questions, most of which I don't want answered, because late s2 Bash would probably disappoint compared to Renaude.


... and the context is that I still am hella mad at Bash


For some reason, I imagine Kenna's family to consist mostly of males. Dead mother, distant father, and few brothers. She sure appears to cherish her female friends quite a lot. I don't think she had many women around her when growing up.

Also, when Bash was shot with the arrow, we saw Kenna tending to him later. The way she did it, not that concerned when he was out of harms way and not at all freaked out by the wound, makes me wonder if she has some history of caring for her injured brothers.

There's also the fact that between Henry, Bash, and Renaude, she sure prefers the warrior type of a man. I wonder if that has something to do with her family and childhood.

I think Greer is gonna become Mary's personal spy master. She has the perfect position for it, and she really can't go back and be a LIW again. Since Greith appears to be over, being a spy master is the only possible way to tie her to any main storyline.
I'd honestly prefer if they let Leith and Claude go (it's not like they could ever happen anyway, Claude is a princes after all). They can take Narcisse, Condé and Delphine with them. The cast is too big already, and with the addition of English court, it's about to become even bigger. I want the focus to be on s1 characters, not on the half-baked newcomers who appear to exist only as love interests. Yes, I dislike Narcisse. I know I'm perhaps the only one, but I won't forgive what they have done with Catherine to prop Narcisse up. And screw Delphine and her magical bunny boiling ways. Unless she's there to help Kennash to get back together, than go Delphine and your magical bunny boiling ways I don't even care. I'm just a Kennash shipper trash.
No, but I think the show should just go back to what made it so good. Frary, Frash, Kennash, Mary/LIWs, LIWs having their own POV, Catherine/her babies. I'm tired of them throwing in all these useless extra characters that take screentime away from more interesting happenings.


I really need to see Bash concerned and scared for Kenna. He has been so dismissive of her, and dreadfully unconcerned with her safety (leaving her in a castle that's about to be besieged? not telling her of Antoine wanting a revenge for killing his brother? what were you thinking, Bash?), he's well overdue to have a 2x01 style freakout.

I don't see how Delphine could not try to harm Kenna. She wants to steal her future, baby or not, Kenna is a threat to Delphine and her obsession with Bash.

I'm gonna have to PM you. Because, ...

They simply can't do a time jump. Unless Kenna miscarriages, which is always a possibility, she has to come back pregnant.
Even if she comes back pregnant, it will still clash horribly with francis' illness. To prolong Francis' life they would have to keep Kenna pregnant for all of (or at least most of) s3, which I doubt they would. Pregnancy is just not sexy for a tv show. They rely heavily on Kenna's beauty and sex appeal in her storylines. Keeping her pregnant would not work.

Unless they would focus on Kennash repairing their relationship, then a long pregnancy would not be a problem.

There really is only one other option, it must be revealed that Kenna has been pregnant for some time already. Much longer than she thought. As in months longer.

Either way, Kennash


I think Kenna actually might have her baby, or at least stay pregnant for some time. 2x22 ended in a way that makes me think that they want to explore Kenna and what will she do now that she's pregnant and alone. If they just had her miscarry in early s3, she could return to the castle, and all of her trouble would be solved. She would find another suitor, and go on with her life. That would give them a very little opportunity to explore something new.
I think Kenna will be forced to return to the castle for some time, but with the intention of leaving eventually (since she found a new friend in the boy king, her future wouldn't be dependent on Bash, and she will not feel obligated to play nice with him) and that will get Kennash a chance to get back together.

If Kenna miscarries at the beginning, then the whole thing happened only as a way to separate Kennash, and that would be a very bad news for us IMO.


Yes, Francis needs to show Bash the way. That sounds a bit cult-y

I just don't see how they could ever rehabilitate Delphine. Even if she's not en evil witch, she's still a crazy person that has an obsession with Bash. I don't see how they could turn this around and make her someone trustworthy.

A tiny part of me is a bit concerned by possible Bash/Delphine, but it's simply so ridiculous that I doubt even Reign would go there.

Christian'sKimberDoll

The binding spell performed with blood was way too much. Even though LM likes to play with supernatural themes she has no idea how to do it to make it look realistic. When you watch a movie about witches you expect supernatural stuff. When you watch a series like Reign you think "What was that?" I'm tired of LM's explanations what D is or isn't. I'm pretty sure she doesn't know either.

drunkalice

I think Bash's trips in Fantasia are kind of his only sl/reason to exist on the show (he'd be married buy clearly LM wasn't interested in developing that aspect) and at the same time supernatural or what looks like it is a part of the show and will probably be at least until Francis dies. I don't see Bash knowing of Francis yet but I do see he's still convinced that he saved him by killing Clarissa from something Delphine's powers caused in the first place. So the longer he is oblivious of Francis's health the more of a loose cannon he'll become imo, because superstition (with a little help from Laurie's stepping too far in Fantasia) is kind of overtaking him.
Delphine, I doubt he'd trust her again. But we also know that the only unforgivable person to Bash is Kenna, so maybe once he finds out about Francis he'll ask her to heal his brother and take his own life instead or something.

agentniki

Even as a healer, Delphine was already too much.
As a person who might be able to save Francis is the only reason Bash would care about her at all.

JessTeller

I actually see Kenna having her baby, LM said she is going to "land on her feet". So it will interesting to see how. Right now I feel like one of my biggest fears is that Delpine is going to be hanging around ALL season.

Christian'sKimberDoll

icygrace

Accidentally posted in the wrong thread!