Serendipity [Nate&Serena] #30: You like me the best when I'm a mess, I can't image how I'd make it through without you.
 

s h i p p e r s

0 1. Lisa 2011

0 2. Rebel_Diamond

0 3. SergeantPepper

0 4. Redlight-Electr0

0 5. 4brathan&brucas

0 6. BrathanSupporter

0 7. teddybears

0 8. courtneybangelcakes

0 9. ♥ Laura ♥

1 0. Icey_

1 1. LPhhrdcLover

1 2. Natasha122

1 3. LALEY-FOREVER

1 4. OTH_OC_Lover

1 5. Kelly_Dylan

1 6. How-very-girl629

1 7. natural_disaster

1 8. _xGemmax_

1 9. .: DoDs:.

2 0. Caridee

2 1. Sapphire Red

2 2. mesmerized

2 3. Ruby_Slippers

2 4. cocunut16

2 5. Nerenafan

2 6. CharlotteC

2 7. brokenshards

2 8. Brucas_Is_Love

2 9. kuni

3 0. makry

3 1. Brucasfanalways

3 2. Majora's Mask

3 3. jazzyb019

3 4. NateScottLover

3 5. marinalima

3 6. ~AIR~

3 7. restlesshearts24

3 8. ilovecappie

3 9. matchesgurl07

4 0. Queen Bee

4 1. edun18

4 2.||michelle||

4 3. agarina

4 4. marmuzetka

4 5. theresadawn

4 6. mariem201

4 7. kimi12

4 8. TLA=Leyton

4 9. airali_glo

5 0. Nilღ

5 1. Kiane

5 2. Saranoh

5 3. Beautiful Disorder

5 4. Laurababora

5 5. yuzzz66

5 6. peace_love_couture

5 7. emerald_city

f u t u r e t i t l e s

0 1. Because their parents never had "relations" OR a love child.

0 2. Because the course of true love never did run smooth.

0 3. Because if you love me, would you please let me know?

0 4. Because I love you, not for what you are, but for what I am when I'm with you.

0 5. Because if I know what love is, it is because of you.

0 6. But to see her was to love her, love but her, and love her forever.

0 7. Because this ship is hitting one iceberg after another.

r e a s o n s

0 1. Because he loves her, not what he wants her to be.

0 2. Because their daughter will be named Venus Van Der Woodsen-Archibald, FTW

0 3. Because he doesn't care what her last name is.

0 4. Because they spark.

0 5. Because Dan dreams about them getting it on.

0 6. Because Serena wouldn't hurt Blair for nothing.

0 7. Because she would do anything to help him.

0 8. Because They make us and each other Happy.

0 9. Because oh seven scenes over 200 shippers, not too shabby.

0 9. Because love makes you do the wacky...like going into brooklyn.

1 0. Because "Wow". Yeah.

1 1. Because they trust each other.

1 2. Because he doesn't care if she smells like a brewery.

1 3. Because Ruffles Humphrey? Really, Ruffles Humphrey?

1 4. Because she needs to learn to accept herself and Nate could help her.

1 5. Because Chuck ships them. Enough Said.

1 6. Because they don't have siblings or destiny, they have a life long thing thats natural and Building.

1 7. Because The Captain may be one of the few guys Lily hasn't slept with.

1 8. Because they were in a book club.

1 9. Because Vanessa should stop dating people who want Serena.

2 0. Because Nate knew Serena didn't cheat on Dan.

2 1. If limos are CB's thing, bar stools are NS's place. Which is better than fake snow.

2 2. Because the REAL Serena Loves the REAL Nate.

2 3. Because Lily may be an awful mother, but she knew S loved N.

2 4. Because they bring out the best in each other.

2 5. Because they're not cheesy.

2 6. Because, "Get me drunk."

Spoilers

Spoile TV:

- RL will continue fighting throughout the end of the season.

- NS will continue their love fest and Jenny will fail in her manipulations.

-Any scoop on lily and rufus? Lily and Rufus with continue to fight throughout the season especially in last few episodes of the season which will also prominently feature Dr William Van Der Woodsen. Lily's big secret - she actually has a major health problem she is hiding from everyone which is why she was away in the summer.

- How long will Nate and Serena last?

Alot longer than most of Serena's love interests.

-Please! I need a scoop of Dan&Vanessa y Nate&Jenny. Dan and Vanessa are the new "it" couple. Nate's main love interest for the rest of the season is Serena despite Jenny's attempts to get in the way.

Kristin said what?:

- William Baldwin will play Serena's father for 3 episodes starting in April. He will also be heavily involved in Lily's story.

-Rufus and Lily will have a major problem (Serena's dad).

:love:-Jenny will leave at the end of the season due to the many things she has done to those around her

-Serena will have something to say/do about Jenny's recent manipulations

Ausiello scoops:

- Something really bad and potentially irreparable happens after the ESB scene.

- Daddy vdW will create a love triangle with RL.

Ausiello's end of season fill in the blank

:love: -Question: Does a character from Gossip Girl occupy one of the 18 confirmed or seven possible fatalities on your lovely May Sweeps Scorecard? Ausiello: Yes, there is a space reserved for an Upper East Sider in one of those two categories.

:love:- Blind Item: Yet another show to do the time warp!

Blabz:

-@the_xfile Cant u finally give us something on serenate? > S & N will not be a couple anymore, by the end of this season. 5:30 PM Feb 25th via web in reply to the_xfile

-@the_xfile We don't know how bad the S & N breakup will be: episodes from season 4 will be ready for the gossipyfication this summer. 5:41 PM Feb 25th via web in reply to the_xfile

-@slowdownlove @Vanny1984 No couples will have an happy ending, this season. 5:44 PM Feb 25th via web in reply to slowdownlove

Interviews:

- Stephanie Savage says that NS will be a frothy compliment to CB's angst.

- Stephanie Savage says the idea of CJ is crazy, D will be a part of Serena's dad story, and that they have an endgame in mind but that every combination of VDSNJ can still be explored.

- According to Matthew Settle, it seems Rufus/Lily will end the season on a cliffhanger, and it will involve Daddy vdW

- Connor Paolo says Eric will feel a lot of resentment towards his father, and daddy VDW being cool about his sexuality won't help matters any.

-Interviewer: Her character, little J, has been trying to break up

you and Serena up.... Please tell me that Nate and Serena stay together forever,

and live happily ever after.

Chace: Of course! It's Gossip Girl. They're going to get married, and I'm going to propose and it's like a whole thing! [laughs] No, yeah, it obviously... There is a bunch of trouble to be had there. [kind of laughs]

Interviewer: Can you tell us any snippets of what is going to happen at the end of Season 3?

Chace: I can't. They were like, real strict about no one coming to set. The set is completely locked down. They printed the scripts in red. We didn't even know some of the storylines.

Interviewer: Oh really?

Chace: Yeah. It's really bizarre. They are obviously trying to protect... There is something big... So there is obviously something really bad happening. [laughs]

Chaceconline.com

- Upcoming Lily speech about what a nightmare teenage girls were

:love: -J hits a peak of insanity and loses her mind a little bit

:love: -S wants her father to stay in her life, what will she do to be sure this happens?

Spotted:

- Chuck and Serena were scene filming at Chuck's limo, staring at something inside his trunk...

-Georgina spotted at Grand central station in a blonde wig and crazy glasses, she filmed with penn and leighton and possibly Blake

- According to GG Insider, an extra has reported that in episode 21: CB are seeing a doctor together (therapy), and B is still mad that C manipulated her to get his hotel back; the doctor seems to like Rufus; They're attending an evening party; Serena's Dad appeared and is dancing with Lily; Serena & Nate look like they're still together

- JS & SS Tweets :

-SS: "The return of Dr VDW will have Team Humphrey vs Team VDW."

- SS: "Gossip Girl (the site) will be dropping some of her biggest gossip bombs to date. She's back in a big way." Less NYU, more UES.

-JS: Thanks guys! Next 10 eps bringing the heat and headbands. All your fave couples (ALL...) getting lotsa screen time. Big finale. XOXO

:love:-GG gossip bomb effects NS romance

Filming Pics:

3x21:

ND bromance
S & Daddy

3x22:

Chace on set
Blake on set
Blake in a cab

Stills:

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/e...eed/rulino.jpg

credit to: Live in Love~

TFTNT Keri :kiss:

TFTT :hug:

Your welcome bbs!

Catching up...

Beautifully said Ale :thud:

Oh gosh you have no idea how much this whole 'Nate is such a sucky friend" stuff makes me want to drop-kick somehting! I hate that most people don't seem to care enough about Nate to think about his motivations or personality at all to be able to figure out his actions. They just take a few things they see and filter it through character bias for someone else, and bam that its, its fact, and there couldn't possibly be other factors involved. Nate is a horrible friend who judges Chuck, while Chuck is the saintly bff that never judges Nate and is always there for Nate while Nate doesn't do anything for Chuck at all. First of all, Chuck does judge Nate-with things like the put downs about his intelligence, his depth, the value of his relationships, ect. Chuck can be very loyal, and he obviously likes having Nate around to hang with, but he also treats him like a puppy or something. Someone he can have fun with, and thinks is cute and all, but is able to talk down to or do pretty much whatever he wants with because he won't understand it, and he'll always eventually come back. He's also treated him like a pawn that can be manipulated easily and doesn't even care. CB had that isue earlier this season where chuck told Blair he knows how little respect she has for those she manipulates-I think the same goes for Chuck. They manipulate everyone, and I do think they have some respect for NS, but i don't think either B or C have as much respect for NS as they should as their bffs. Blair didn't blink an eye on selling Serena out when she felt the slightest bit turned on, and then she just expected S to accept it, Chuck can have the same attitude with Nate. Now I'm not saying CB are horrible freinds to NS, but they are very flawed as well, and I'm tired of that being totally ignored and people only focusing on N/S's flaws in the friendships.
I think one problem is people have way to high expectations for CN and how N should act at this point that they'll never get it so it'll never be enough. Nate's personality is very laid back and he tries to show others respect in the way he wants, to be given space and time to figure things out on their own, and than if they come to him he'd be willing to help. Chuck is a meddler, that's part of his personality, so yeah he's going to step in and help Nate (even when Nate doesn't want it) whereas Nate won't do that as much, but that is not necissarily indicative of Chuck being a great friend and Nate not-it speaks to their personalites, how they see things, and how the behave in general not just in their friendship. Honestly, my bff and I see things very very differently and I still have to clue her in to how I need her to help me in certain situations, cause the way she tries to do it does nothing to help me-does that mean I think she's a bad bff cause she see and reacts to things different and there is sometimes discrepancies on what we think each other needs? No, of course not. And for the record, Nate was there for Chuck during Bart's funeral. That episode it was both NB that were there for Chuck (Serena was the one that was glaringly missing becasue of the whole choosing Dan over Chuck crap) but Nate helped bring him to the funeral, and he was there afterwards looking after him with Blair at the gathering. But he once again expressed the idea of giving him space when he kept pushing them away, cause that's genuinely what Nate thought Chuck needed. And that also served the purpose of letting Blair be the one to be there for him, just like its probably going to serve the purpose next episode as indicated by the sneak peek. Nate has every freaking right to be pissy with Chuck right now over what he did to Blair. He cares about Blair a lot, and Chuck put her through a lot of emotional pain that he clearly sees. And he's not saying Chuck is a horrible person, he's saying what he did was horrible-and I think he's so upset about it because it is Chuck, his bestie. His bff just did something really horrible to someone he claims to love more than anything. That's dissapointing. Nate knows Chuck can be better than that, if he didn't think that he wouldn't be as pissed about it. And I don't get the argument that if Nate hates Chuck so much (:rolleyes:) that he should just move out and cut him off completely. Umm if Nate did react in that more extreme way wouldn't people be crying crappy friend even more? The fact that Nate is still there and interacting with him is showing that he is trying with him, but he's not ready to just be fine and dandy with what Chuck did yet, and he's making that clear. Nate's line to Chuck about having the time of his life, I really don't think Nate was just being oblvious (as everyone likes to think) but I thought that liine was rather sarcastic, implying that there Chuck was whinning about not having Blair anymore when he was sitting around playing with whores and getting high when he should have been out tring to find a way to make it up to Blair. Nate's not one to sit around an angst and cotempate things over and over again the way Chuck is, so he's not going to get Chuck's longer process of internal torture angsting. Nate is a man of action, and he wasn't seeing Chuck take action to rectify the horriblness that he did and says he's sorry for. He wants Chuck to be better, he has expecations for him because he truly believes he can meet them. But he still hung out with him because they are besties-not because Nate is flaky, or doesn't care, or is mooching off of chuck.
...And that turned into a long, rambling rant, heh. Sorry i'm just really really tired of it.

Oh yeah, actions definetly speak louder than words. Especially with a personality type like Nate, that's truly how they express themselves moreso than fumbling around with words. I think its amusing that people would be feeling the need for Nate to be the one to say I love you and express himself, when before everyone was so concerned about Serena being the one to do so :lol: I think they did it this way for that reason, they're putting NS on more even footing and are using these episodes to explore Serena's feelings more. I don't think Nate has to say it at all, I think if anyone questioned he really loved her that would just be....well stupid. Its so clear, the writers haven't put any ambiguity there for it to even be in question. Yes he's only ever said it in past tense, but its clear (to the audience and Serena) that he loved her than yes, and he definetly still loves her now. And yeah, having he say ILY too in 315 would have been nice, but this way they are spreading NS out more, they're giving them time and build like we've so desperately wanted. Seperating things like that gives us more time for building to them, and gives more beautiful scenes opposed to just one and than moving on. I'm sure we'll hear him say ILY sometime coming up, I have absolutely no worry about that lol

Awesomesauce! Yay to that being offical now, brain-buddy :back_hug: ;)
It will be interesting to see the first interaction between Nate/William, cause they'll have a slight memory/awareness of each other from before he left, but not much, it'll be interesting to see how its played-if they'll reference this at all or just focus on the meeting and Nate starting to get icky vibes from him or something, I'd like it though if they had a nice moment before that started. lol

Oh I really like Daddy VdW so far too. I'm sure he'll be all kinds of shady, and I do think that gray character part is going to be a heavy push and pull throughout the next episodes, but I don't think he'll be totally evil like other guest starts, but he very well may go out with a really horrible bang cliffhanger at the end of the season and season 4 the reprecussions will have to be dealt with with him and the family.


See this is what makes me leary of her saying that to her Dad opposed to Rufus. I totally get her childhood fantasy of wanting to see her parents together and all, its just that coming immedately off of the J thing, and her still being upset about it in this episode it sounds odd for her to encourage it. Although maybe somehow these two things will play into each other, maybe that's why there's still a focus on the SJ tension, to go along with Daddy wanting to steal Lilly thing. Maybe Serena will all blinded by Daddy tell him to go for it, but than SJ have a few rounds and she re-realizes how much it bothered her that someone tried to step into her relationship, and so she realizes she shouldn't encourage Daddy in that particular way. Likely though once she's realized this its to late to turn things around and Daddy will be full steam ahead on messing with RL lol

We really are :lol: And I love it. :yay: this has become such a good place for us :nod:

I really don't get the Scott spec :lol: Its so out there, and has no foundation at all, everything we know goes against anything like that happening :lol: Besides even if Scott did turn up and randomly declare he wasn't Rufus's son I really don't think that'd change anything for DS. They did not break-up because of RL or Scott, those were just additional factors to way down their already sinking relationship that they were barely holding together, what broke them up was the fact they just simply didn't care enough to keep that relationship a float. If they really wanted to they could be together while RL were together (which they did try to do, and RL were in support of the attempt so they wouldn't stand in their way) and when they broke up they thought Scott was dead, so they didn't think they had a step-sibling between them, so that wasn't a reason of their break-up. They broke up because the relationship didn't work anymore, and they acknowledged that. I honestly think that they spent most of season 2 yearning for the relationship they had before their break-up in seaon one, and even when they got back together that's what they still wished for, but they eventually realized that they just couldn't go back to that, that relationship was dead.
And yeah, there is no way that RL are ever going to seperate for long. They'll for sure have their drama :lol: but RL is equal (if not more so) for endagme as CB are. No matter how much some people don't like them, how much some people try to blame their couple's problems on them, they ain't go anywhere :P
And yeah, if Vanessa does leave this coming episode than he's going to have to be pretty occupied with that-plus he probably has a small part obviously with the family stuff, like the phone call with Rufus, its probably just getting his foot in the door for the next episodes while his main focus will be Vanessa. Then the last two episodes, with her gone, will have him free to deal with Nate/Daddy VdW/Gorgenia ect. So yeah it does seem like he'll be mainly involved for the last two episodes :look: :lol:

Seriously, after last episode I'm feeling more confident about them than ever before. Bring on the haters and arguments-seriously, haters or devil's advicates, I don't care, I feel so ready to take on any argument against NS at this point. I've been listening to haters and skeptics and as time has gone each argument has gotten blown out of the water. They are getting reduced to ridiculous claims and grasping at straws, and we have solid standing from the show canon. You want to hate for bias reasons, fine, like your couple, be jealous or whatever, but call it as it is and don't try to make it seem rationale that for those things because of negative agruments against NS, its just funny at this point.

Wala, I'll do the oppisite of shooting you, I'll hug ya :P :back_hug: Positivity and optimism are some of my favorite things, always good to have that spreading around :P

:nod: RL cover the whole two worlds coming together aspect, and I don't care how much people like them or, they do it way better than DS ever did. They've made it through all that time and stuff inbetween them, and they do well to connect the characters, so they're definetly not going to seperate them. :lol:
And like I said above, DS is not done because of Scott or RL, so even though those are icky tacked on factors that can be used against them, when it comes down to it DS aren't together because they aren't in love anymore. Simple fact. Yes, they were a big part of the show before, but they also ran their course and were run into the ground. I expect there to be some teasing of DS in interviews and maybe even some subtle hints in the show, especially at the end of the season-because its to keep those fans here or bring them back. If fans think they have no hope, they leave, they don't want that so they will string fanbases along to a certain extent, always waxing on about how options are still open-that's the name of the game with these kinds of shows and fandoms.

I hear you on this Ale :nod: Honestly, they should just call that the CB SS thread and be done with it. Its how I see it now. That's the only way I can kinda handle being in there, I just assume its supposed to be all focused on CB and only have tad bits of attentino to other things. I totally understand anyone just wanting to be here, I really have made this thread my home lately cause its amazing and cause other places can be so tiring with drama, or frustrating with craziness. This place is always so filled with awesomeness, it always me happy :love: I must me a mashanist, or it feels that way sometimes, cause I still go through that thread-but I've adopted tatcis of survival (so Keri's head won't explode): major skiming, and only focusing on a few select posters posts :lol: There are some great people in there, and some awesome convo so that's probably why it can be hard to completely let go of, the problem is that that stuff has become such a rare jem amongst alot of crazy and frustration :lol: But that's why I'm glad we've brought over spoilers into the OP and this is my unoffoical SS NS thread :P It makes life better ;)

Overall I just don't get the NS hate and I usually try to be open and all but like I said before I fail to find a strong argument the they came out of nowhere come on NS have been here since the pilot and they where dropped later on for most of S1-2 and it truly sucked for us!!
I don't hate DS but they had run in S1-2 and I don't know if they even want to go back with each other now :shrug:.
Aww thanks Keri love reading ur thoughts as well :hug:

TFTNT!

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/phot...54-191-464.jpg

I loooove this picture. Blake's legs = hot. :love:

ITA on the SS thread being the CB thread. IDK why they debate so much. They're all CB fans. And CB has a 95% possibility of bein endgame already, so no worries. :lol:

Keri - Awesome longass post bb. :hug:

And yeah. The NS hate is getting pretty lame. No one has a strong argument anymore. They just can't take that their ship is sinking like the Titanic. :lol: Come up wih something better, guys! :rolleyes:

I have no problem whatsoever in discussing CB spoilers and I AM interested in them, I really liked Cameron in the episode so I'm certainly curious about how things will go and where they will start from in the upcoming episodes. What I cannot stand is the CONSTANT need to bring back the SAME topics and the SAME arguments and to make everything about CB even when it isn't. THAT is what annoys me. And well the general atmosphere lately hasn't been good at all, so if I have to read something where people freak out for no good reason about CB, others hate on DV and NS because that's the only means they have to find an even remote grasp for the DS of it all (and IT AIN'T happening, I do not know how the writers can have been clearer on it), PLUS others spend their time bashing Nate, well I'll pass thank you.

I miss many intelligent posters that are in there but if the price I have to pay is the above mentioned, then it's not worth it. I can talk to people separately and enjoy their POV, because as I said I AM interested in the CB story in terms of story itself, but I won't bother reading the thread.

That is so damn true. :lol: I fail to see the point of trying to bash what is clearly the writers' plan in order to ... validate the ship that has sailed and sunk? :lol: seriously. The story is clear by now. As I said, may well happen that in S5 they do Nate/Lily and Dan/Serena again, but there is NO way that Dan/Serena are going to end the series together. Just none. So, whatever it is, I'll skip those episodes if that happens (and again, unless there's a s5 I really can't see it happening), or drop the show entirely for a season if I have to endure another season of asstastic Dan being with Serena (not to mention Serena would be destroyed as a character if she went back to Dan, especially with how he treated her and with how they broke up not once but TWICE).

I just refuse to deal with the delusions of people when spoilers photos and the story tell a COMPLETELY different tale. Sorry, not happening. I'm all for Dan and Serena having friendly interaction, but that's got nothing to do whatsoever with romantic feelings. And that's what SS said in that Kristin interview. People don't even get when the writers are "throwing a bone".

:lol: Keri! :hug: Amazing post.

I agree specifically on all of the points you made about DS. They are deader than dead. :lol: I tried arguing this point last night but a certain poster in there is always one to bring the delusions and the crazy. :shrug:

:thud: OMG Keri! This soooooo freakin much. I was lurking in the S&S thread (which I know by now I shouldnt but sometimes I just can't help it and I'm always curious what other people think of the episodes) and omg dropkick something or someone sounds about right. Ugh, it makes me soooo mad how everyone thinks Chuck is the best friend in the whole wide world and Nate never ever makes an effort and is the crappiest friend ever. :rolleyes: Yeah, right! :rolleyes: Ugh, I can't even talk about this longer it pisses me off too much but basically just a big fat WORD to your entire post :nod: :thumbs_up: :lol:

Keri, ITA with your superlong rant :lol:

One thing though: PARAGRAPH BREAKS; I beg you! :lol: I lose focus and have a hard time reading your awesome thoughts because you don't use paragraph breaks many times and it is soo hard to follow :lol: Yeah I know it's journalist nitpick but it really makes things a lot easier! :D

I refuse to deal with the Nate is a crappy friend type of argument. He was a much better friend to Chuck than Chuck was to him in this past episode, so whatever. And seriously people didn't get that the "you're having the time of your life" was SARCASM?! It was crystal clear that it was a sarcastic comment! BOTH in the delivery and in the sentence itself given Chuck's obvious distress. People are dense, I swear.

Ale, I promised you the first show I'll watch will be Alias, and I'll keep my promise. It's just that I have so much to study and I always feel terribly lazy when it comes to starting a new show :lol: But I'm sure I'll watch the pilot soon. I already have all the first season :D I'll let you know when I do

Keri, amazing post
So much WORD to all the Nate/Chuck points. I can't understand that after this exact episode there's still people talking about how crappy as a friend Nate is to Chuck and how Nate should move out the suite. I just don't get it. He should probably leave, I agree with that, cause right now what Chuck deserves is to be completely alone in order to maybe, just maybe, realize that he needs people as much as they need him and that if you love someone you don't schem against them. When you love someone you want the best for them, not the best for you even if that makes them suffer. He doesn't deserve Nate in his life now and even less Blair. He needs too make some radical changes before he gets to that point, starting with loving himself a bit. With all this I don't mean I hate Chuck, not in the least. I just think what he did to B and N is not defensible at all, not even by bashing Nate. I love the character and I'm looking forward to his redemption, but I'm so sick of hearing the same old story about Nate not being a good friend to him :crazy: especially when he's been the worst boyfriend and friend in the last episodes. It's just wrong

And I'm not going to get started in all the CB S&S thread topic :pout: It's just too boring for people that don't think exactly like them. ICA with Ale

You guys write sfm and it is pretty impossible to follow :eek:

I am with Ale, If DS end together, I'll skip those episodes and I'll live in my world of yellow.. :lol:

And the CB thing. THey know that they are going ro be endgame; but they are all worried about the D/B interation BOO

Keri, Ale, and everybunny: Thanks for your insight. You guys are awesome!!

Keri: I LOVED what you said about the CN relationship/dynamic. The SS thread spends too much time analyzing specific scenes/interactions that they don't think about who Nate actually is. He's laid back, he calls it like he sees it, and he doesn't over analyze. I also hate that the SS thread believes that all of these qualities = stupidity. :rolleyes: Just because he doesn't over-think every situation and is trusting of his friends (even when he shouldn't be) doesn't mean he's a raging idiot. He, with most situations, takes a back seat and allows people to deal with things the way they want to. He's not going to pressure them into facing their issues, he's going to allow them to approach the situation the way they want.

I also agree with what you said about expectations for CN. I think people want Nate to approach the CN friendship the way Chuck would. And that's just unfair. They are VASTLY different personalities, that have very few similarities. I mean, seriously. Could you imagine Chuck Bass being best friends with someone who was identical to himself?? God, that would be a disaster. :lol: Whether people admit it or not, the CN dynamic works BECAUSE they are opposites and approach their friendship differently.

I also LOLed sooo much when I saw the SS thread talking about how Nate "sponges" off Chuck and his hotel. Okay, let's get serious. Nate is a freakin Vanderbilt. He's not some bum from the nearest homeless shelter that Chuck allows to stay at his place, eat his food, and drink his wine. :rolleyes: Let's not pretend that Nate is only friends with Chuck for his money. This is the UES sistas...They ALL have money.

I'll admit that I love reading the SS thread FOR THE MOST PART. They do have good insight and I do like to get a gauge on overall perception of the episode. When it's in uber-CB mode though, I peace out for awhile and come back when they're less excitable. Other than a few areas, I agree with a lot of what they have to say and there are a few posters there with incredibly non-bias insight. Plus I love reading what Whitney has to say. :D I'm just saying that there are times when that thread makes me want to light myself on fire, but it's not completely off base. :shrug:

Keri, Emerald, Wala, Anna B, Ale, Chels, Anna, Eva, Tam! And a shout out to Makry! :group_hug: OK, so catching up ...

Keri, this long rambling rant, as you call it, is AMAZING! :thud: Thank you for saying all of this. The fact that Nate hasn't moved out that suite is proof to me that he loves Chuck and believes in him, but he's not going to coddle him when he screws up either. Look, I like Chuck a lot and I understand he's probably the show's "woobie", but Chuck and Chuck/Blair's romance do not define Gossip Girl, even though they are a big part of the show. The Nate fans who were on the S&S thread last night -- Makry, Chels, and another Nate fan I believe -- did a great job speaking up for him as objectively as they could. I'm so glad Whitney added her wisdom as well (:yay:, she is made of awesome). It boggled my mind that even when direct dialogue was put to be analyzed, objectivity still couldn't be achieved. For me, Serena, Blair and Chuck (even Dan) clearly continue to trust Nate and want him in their lives, and evidently don't measure how "good" or "bad" a friend he's supposed to be. He's just their Nate, flaws and all, and they have their own rules of engagement. For me, whatever points of view the writers give the characters matters more than what we impose on the characters.

True, it was Serena some questioned before, now it's Nate. :lol: And I completely agree about Nate's personality not being inclined to being verbally elaborate. Both Nate and Serena seem to be types that are quite laconic, and we've seen a number of times that he doesn't always get his words out the way he wants to. So, I'm fine with him being taken the "show, not tell" route. That doesn't mean I won't welcome an "I love you" scene from him. I still will. But, like Makry said, even if it never happens, I won't be in doubt about his love for her. :)

Brain-buddy! :hug: :D That's what I'd like to see too, especially if William remembers something random about Nate interacting with Serena as kids (did their friendship start that early?). But I'm game for a sort of "calm before the storm" moment when/before Nate senses something off with William. And completely agreed on Daddy VDW possibly going out with a bang cliffhanger leaving everyone to deal with things in S4. The closer we get to this, the more intrigued I'm becoming. It seriously helps that Billy Baldwin is playing him. :P

Agreed! Her childhood fantasy of wanting to see her parents back together could play into it and I get that too. But, yes, the timing -- right after seeing Jenny made a play for her own boyfriend -- makes me so uneasy for her character-wise. She didn't like how that felt, so I don't want her encouraging a situation that would inflict the same kind of doubt and insecurity on someone she loves/respects. Add the fact that she was apparently instrumental in ensuring Rufus and Lily got married. You make a good point, though, that maybe her conflict with Jenny comes to a climix in the mix. If she pulls back on that encouragement after reconsidering it, I'd be pleased because it would go towards her continuing maturity (separating what she wants or what she thinks others want for the health of her family). I hope for the best on that front. But it really seems to underscore that Daddy will trump all in her eyes.

On Scott, I didn't see that storyline so I can't comment. But, there isn't anything wrong with the fact that Dan/Serena realize they can't work romantically. I think Dan/Serena fans are lucky. There is still some interaction between Dan and Serena. They're still friends and they're able to be in the same room without any awkwardness or bitterness. Seriously, I would have loved something like that for Lex/Lana. But Lana hated Lex when they divorced; Lex was just happy he got her hate, not her apathy, because it meant he still evoked some kind of emotion in her. I've liked couples on other shows where the writers barely acknowledge the couple even dated, if at all. Btw, I don't believe limited on-screen interaction is meant to facilitate possible acceptance of a future reunion, as some seem to believe. Their current lives and goals seem to be different, and the writers have had them go about that in ways most natural to them. They'll interact again on some level now because they share a family who will be in crisis. If the EPs and writers want them back, they'll find ways to do that but they'll likely process that direction on-screen with proper time, and not leave anything up to interpretation.

Ale! :hug: I'm getting that sense as well on Dan. He seems to be quite busy within the next few episodes, interacting with different people. One of the things that struck me was that Dan/Vanessa played out very differently from what I saw in recaps. I saw Dan very invested in his relationship with Vanessa, apologizing to her and telling her how much he loved the play (original) she submitted to get into Tisch. He wants to reconnect with her. I'm interested to see how things play out between them in the next episode. I could see him getting more in the Humphrey vs. VDW fight by 3.21 and the finale too. And, hello, then there's Georgina! :lol:

I'm with you on that. I don't sweat these claims that Nate/Serena are "all about sex" or are an "arc couple" or "boring" (which is as subjective as beauty), or whatever is the new criticism. I go by what I see on the screen, and there are just some things that aren't left up to interpretation. It would be nice if some viewers take the time to view what we see played out as objectively as they can regardless of their preferences, and, better yet, take things episode by episode.

If the writers end Nate/Serena to revive Dan/Serena or whatever, no skin off my nose. I've enjoyed the Nate/Serena I've gotten and I'll stop watching GG with no regrets. :D

Cannot blame you for taking a break from the S&S board. The whining and oversensitivity of certain viewers, the counter-productive critiquing, the melodramatic reactions to recaps/spoilers/promos, the passive aggressive conflict between fans, and the automatic Chuck/Blair detours make that thread diffcult. Not everyone is like that, but those who are are very visible. I'm one of the first to engage in analytical character reviews so I can't fault anyone for trying to analyze or understand the characters and their relationships. Yet, what I see on that thread is not constructive. It's reactive. And, as much as I enjoy engaging in Nate/Serena analysis, I don't think the nature of GG or the writing for GG warrants the type of RABID agonizing that happens on the S&S threads. Not trying to knock the show (shoot, I watch it too now, :lol:). But the show is meant to ENTERTAIN and people are taking their characters/couples way too seriously. Ah, well, it is what it is. Here's to the NS Couples thread being our respite! :D

I love this thread and everybody that forms part of it :group_hug:

Oh and the SS thread well this ani reflects my thoughts :look:

http://i50.tinypic.com/oruog0.jpg