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Old 10-20-2013, 06:37 PM
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I thought it interesting that they brought out Tom's socialism finally, but found it thick and heavy, almost put there like a trowel and where did this wish to move to America come from? Glad to hear he has family there, but this is sort of out of the blue.
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Lovely to see that the children are live and well, though still can't fathom for the life of me how little Sybil came to know the word hurricane. She's less than two and living in Yorkshire.
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Not happy that Anna was most worried about Bates's reaction to the rape and not the rape itself.
I see her reaction as what I understand many woman feel...that it is their fault and her fear seems pretty reasonable considering what Bates said to her..."he's a dead man."....Yikes!


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I did like seeing Mary and Tom going about the estate like the way Matthew and Tom used to do.
I do like their scenes together, but I'd like to hear or feel Mary regarding him as a brother. Like last week when Rose introduced him as my cousin, Tom (not my cousin's husband, but "my cousin")
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Old 10-20-2013, 06:46 PM
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I'm sure that Anna felt shameful for having been raped, but I found most of the POV in the story coming from Bates. Also, she wasn't upset or afraid of all men, just Bates.

Yes, it did seem like the family had a 180 when it came to Tom. Like you said, Tom was introduced as Rose's cousin. I guess that's easier than my dead cousin's husband, but then back from Pride and Prejudice times, when someone married into the family they were referred to as brother and sister not so much as brother-in-law and sister-in-law.

Odd that.

I also added a bit more to my previous post.
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Old 10-20-2013, 07:00 PM
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I'm sure that Anna felt shameful for having been raped, but I found most of the POV in the story coming from Bates. Also, she wasn't upset or afraid of all men, just Bates.
I gathered that was because he was the only man who would be permitted to physically touch her. Maybe????

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back from Pride and Prejudice times, when someone married into the family they were referred to as brother and sister not so much as brother-in-law and sister-in-law.
I'd just like to hear her introduce him as or say you are...my brother

As to the other parts of your posts...
Yes, it is certainly different how Alfred is being helped when Gwen was not. Do you think it was meant to show changing times or some degree of sexism?

Baxter seems nice, but is that only because Thomas wants her to be? Or is it that she really is nice, but Thomas has something on her...which they know, but we do not...yet. She also mentioned saying something to Cora about Sybil as a way to ingratiate herself with Cora. Seems strange that Thomas would prompt her to use Sybil's name in that way, but we are talking about Thomas here, so ?????

OMG, we've done it, too. Forgot old Edith. That SL looks ominous.

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Old 10-20-2013, 07:08 PM
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I think Carson's support of Alfred might just be because Carson likes Alfred, whereas he was indifferent to Gwen. With it being so difficult to find another footman (remember they had difficulty finding one until they got to Jimmy), you would think that they would discourage this. Feels a little off to me. Also, doesn't Alfred only have a half day free, how could he just be able to hop a train to London for his test last minute? Didn't Carson object to Ivy going to York for the theatre? Not like the Ritz test is some sort of job training thing since he's not going to it to replace Mrs. Patmore.

Yeah, was not happy that Thomas asked Baxter to invoke Sybil's name like that.

Maybe you have a point re: Bates being the only person who could touch her.
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Old 10-20-2013, 07:20 PM
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Yes, I see what you mean about Alfred. Carson can be a stiff-necked old codger, but he seems to have always liked Alfred. Maybe it was just a way to kick Moseley in the teeth...again. I wish they'd get him something to do or write him out because it's getting old, seeing him as the punching bag/comic relief. Though Jim Carter's expression and intonations were amusing.

Phyllis Logan is really good. Her scenes with Bates were, pardon the expression, killers!

What do think of Tom and Isobel? I see potential there...always did, but JF is not using it.
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re: Isobel and Tom. I don't know. There have been a few spoiler pics of Isobel and Tom doing things together, so maybe this happens in the last three episodes. If Tom does move to Crawley House, then his Matthewfication will be complete. He will be the one who replaces Matthew in every way.

PL was very good. I could feel her distressed at Bates pressing her for information.

Not quite sure the purpose of keeping Moseley about, but then I didn't think Ethel should have been in S3 either.

Been a lovely discussion. Have to go to bed. Wished that I didn't have to get up early tomorrow. So are you free to chat later on in the week?
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Old 10-20-2013, 07:35 PM
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re: Isobel and Tom. I don't know. There have been a few spoiler pics of Isobel and Tom doing things together, so maybe this happens in the last three episodes. If Tom does move to Crawley House, then his Matthewfication will be complete. He will be the one who replaces Matthew in every way.

PL was very good. I could feel her distressed at Bates pressing her for information.

Not quite sure the purpose of keeping Moseley about, but then I didn't think Ethel should have been in S3 either.

Been a lovely discussion. Have to go to bed. Wished that I didn't have to get up early tomorrow. So are you free to chat later on in the week?
I see Tom and Isobel differently, but we can discuss that later as I also need to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

Sure, grades are due on Wednesday, but they are almost done. I try not to have very hard grading on week nights as am too mentally exhausted to do them...shoot for the weekend for projects and all those essays!!!!
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:01 PM
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Scarlet, I am here. You go first this week.
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:17 PM
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Scarlet, I am here. You go first this week.
Running behind, so still watching. But why is it that Alfred is leaving this week but not last. What was the purpose other than to take up time in the episodes.
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Old 10-27-2013, 06:23 PM
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Running behind, so still watching. But why is it that Alfred is leaving this week but not last. What was the purpose other than to take up time in the episodes.
Come back when you can. It was to leave us in suspense and Moseley to drag out?
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Finally finished. I thought the band was cute and Robert seems to have become a modernist again by not being ruffled by a black man in his home. As for Tom "going" to America. We know all that's for show and poor Edith!

What did you think?
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:10 PM
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Finally finished. I thought the band was cute and Robert seems to have become a modernist again by not being ruffled by a black man in his home. As for Tom "going" to America. We know all that's for show and poor Edith!

What did you think?
Had to love the nursery scene and Tom said "my Sybil"...thought I'd have to run for a hanky. Tom and Isobel were cute together in their other scenes as well. And we did get a glimpse of Sybbie.

Generally, I liked the episode. I still haven't gotten over Tom's statement that Ireland is no longer an option for him. But there's a whole buddle of stuff I can't get over (exactly).

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Twas nice to hear Tom refer to Sybil and to see little Sybil, but I didn't like the widows/widowers convo very much. Did you know it was the first time that Isobel and Mary had a scene together since Mary and Matthew married? To me that's off.

Yes, very hard to hear that Ireland was no longer an option for him. Also hard to hear that he seems ready to move on.

What did you think of the Jimmy and Ivy scene? Thought it seemed off because suddenly Jimmy is interested in Ivy.

Also, time to clench our hearts next week when Tom's new love interest shows up.
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Twas nice to hear Tom refer to Sybil and to see little Sybil, but I didn't like the widows/widowers convo very much. Did you know it was the first time that Isobel and Mary had a scene together since Mary and Matthew married? To me that's off.

Yes, very hard to hear that Ireland was no longer an option for him. Also hard to hear that he seems ready to move on.

What did you think of the Jimmy and Ivy scene? Thought it seemed off because suddenly Jimmy is interested in Ivy.

Also, time to clench our hearts next week when Tom's new love interest shows up.
I'm curious. Why didn't you like the scene? Yes, they've never had many scenes with Isobel and Mary. Maybe they've avoided each other because each reminds the other of Matthew too much? I have absolutely no reason for saying that though it makes sense to me. It wouldn't take much for Fellowes to have used that or explained it in some other way. Or maybe it never occurred to him that the viewers would notice?

I didn't catch that he seems ready to move on. Do you mean because he was going through options with Isobel at dinner?

Jimmy has been showing attention to Ivy all this season and I saw this coming though wasn't sure what Ivy's reactions to his advances would be. Was surprised that Mrs. Hughes said she had it coming. What ever happened to Mr. Mason and the farm?

I laughed at Mrs Patmore. Doesn't like modern inventions, but Valentino makes her...what did she say? quiver? And liked the jazz, too.

I already told you what I think of the new love interest...not nearly good enough. (I mean, if they don't care that she looks older than him, they could have got me for nothin')
In a way, that makes it easier for me. I can't write her off in my head more easily.
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I thought the widows/widower convo stilted and awkward. Maybe if I had seen them talk before this crucial moment, it wouldn't have felt so awkward. Telling one another about their own loves on the first convo made blush with second hand embarrassment. People didn't talk emotion so freely like that in the 1920s in polite company which they were since we hadn't talked on screen before.

Yes, it was the options that made me feel like he was ready to move on. That and knowing what's going to happen next week.

Yeah, I noticed that Jimmy has been responding to Ivy's attentions recently though I don't think he sent her a valentine in 4x01 and we didn't see how it evolved from no valentine to paying so much attention.

I would love to see some Daisy/Mr. Mason scenes. I still think that Daisy will be inheriting, but maybe she still has to work at DA because she can't go and live with Mr. Mason yet since she's a widow and he's a widower and that house is too small for polite company.

Yes, Mrs. Patmore is a bit of an odd mix, but then everyone has become an odd mix.

So i guess that's it, that's all for Alfred? I had heard that the actor was leaving but I didn't know he was leaving so early.
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