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Old 02-17-2012, 05:54 PM
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The Lady & The Chauffeur {Sybil/Tom} #12: "Believe it or not, I will stay true to you."

Welcome to the 12th
Lady Sybil Crawley & Tom Branson
Appreciation Thread



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Reasons why we ship them
Because Allen Leech is the captain of the ship!
Because they are steadfast in their love
Because they defended their love to all those against them and won
Because they are confident in their love for one another
Because their love is based in friendship that has built up over many years
Because he couldn't help overhearing that she was interested in Women's rights
Because he looked through the window to see her new frock
Because she was grateful for the pamphlets
Because he brought her pamphlets to read
Because she hopes that he does go into politics
Because she doesn't want him to go to prison
Because she is glad he won't die or go to prison
Because he is her ticket
Because he knows that she loves him
Because she knows he'll make something of himself
Because he will stay at Downton until she wants to run away
Because she knows when he's angry and troubled
Because she stood up for him against her father
Because he was more scared she was hurt than at the prospect of losing his job
Because they held hands so naturally
Because she is always goes to the garage to seek him out
Because he has promised to devote every waking moment to her happiness
Because she touched his cheek
Because she wants to know if he will wait a bit longer
Because he would wait forever for her
Because he is always staring at her when no one is looking
Because he smiled when he saw her in the kitchen baking
Because he knows she is enjoying her work as a nurse
Because they can discuss things as equals
Because he touched her waist and she felt the connection
Because she is willing to give up her entire world to be with him
Because all that matters is that they love each other
Because she wanted to know why he made a promise to Carson and not to her
Because she said "us" and didn't deny it
Because she has feelings even though she's good at hiding them
Because he has waited all this time and still can't believe she said yes
Because she said he could kiss her
Because all he wants to do is kiss her
Because he slept on the chair and gave her the bed
Because he can pay his own way
Because she gave him her heart
Because she will be true to him
Because she has decided she is going to marry Tom!
Because all he wants is to make her happy
Because of the passion for their beliefs and each other.
Because convention is merely a hurdle to be overcome rather than an insurmountable barrier to their hopes and desires
Because he said she looked "very fine" and she didn't mind him checking her out
Because she wondered where he had been all day
Because they have their own theme music!
Because she told her father that if he was fired she would run away
Because he offered to teach her how an engine works
Because he said it was up to her
Because it cost him all he had to say those things to her
Because if she didn't care she would have told on him all those months ago
Because he's frightfully full of himself!
Because he risked a broken heart and didn't care a damn for his job, as he loved her
Because if Granny says Sybil's husband will tell her what her opinions are, then she must marry a man who shares the same opinions!
Because they are a modern love story
Because she knows her own mind
Because he wants to make her happy more than anything else in the world
Because she won't give him up!
Because he knows she'll come the moment he calls
Because even Granny admits he has many virtues
Because of the way she said "and then we will marry"
Because they were the only two people smiling and happy at the funeral
Because her father gave them his blessing in the end
Because he shook her father's hand
Because they walked into their future hand and hand
Because instead of saying Sybil/Branson, we can all say Sybil Branson
Because even Cora started to shipping them after the news she was gonna be a granny
Because "Ireland 2-Downton 0"
Because Branson would always choose Love against Political Activism
Because Allen wants Tom to say "Sybil, le permite desnudarse"
Because the new Chauffer Robert hired is old and ugly
Because they're married
Because there is a baby on the way!


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With or Without You Goodnight & Go Sybil & Branson Swans
Truly Madly DeeplyI won't always be a chauffeurForever Yours
I will ReturnToo Many Broken HeartsBlue as your Eyes
Find a WayBeautiful StrangerThe Lady and The Chauffeur
CollideAll This TimeListen To Your HeartWherever You Will Go
Still learning how to loveUsed To Be





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The Journey to HappinessThings Left UnsaidLost TimeThe VowNever AshoreWinter RainCravingsA Woman's PerogativeWith Love From Dublinhearts so lost as mineNothing's Real But Love


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Momentsboth alike in dignity


Estimated Sybil/Tom Late S2 Timeline

Thursday. Feb 27, 1919 - Matthew walks, Sybil makes her decision.
Friday, Feb 28, 1919 - Bryant's visit and the failed elopement occurs
Monday, April 7, 1919 - Letter arrives for Tom with job offer, S/T tells family
Tuesday, April 8, 1919 - Robert/Violet confront Sybil
Wednesday, April 9, 1919 - Robert offers Tom money.
Monday, April 14, 1919 - S/T met at Lavinia's funeral.
Wednesday, April 16, 1919 - S/T leave Downton for Ireland, overnights in Liverpool.
Thursday, April 17, 1919 - S/T cross the Irish Sea and land in Dublin in evening.
Sunday, May 18, 1919 - Sunday, June 1, 1919 - Banns are read at church
Thursday, June 5, 1919 - S/T married.
October 1919 - Sybil gets pregnant.
late December 1919 - Sybil writes to her mother about the pregnancy that she only confirmed days before.

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Old 02-17-2012, 06:02 PM
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Now that I got the new thread going, next job up is I'm going to work on the title post to bring FFs in line.

I've added the following shippers to our list:
Pinkink, queenofsarcasm, Beebbop, btvs-formerly cole's pheobe, *OldHollywoodStarlet*, HarshBench

Please let me know if I've missed you or misspelled your username.

I hope that you shippers don't mind that I went with "Believe it or not, I will stay true to you."

First i'm going to eat supper and read through the last batch of posts, and then I'll get to working on the FFs.
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:12 PM
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Yay, new thread, and thanks for adding me to the list.

I will celebrate by adding chapter 2 of my new fanfiction : The Vow Chapter 2: Snow White, a downton abbey fanfic - FanFiction.Net
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Thank you for the new thread! No I don't mind. I love it!

Thank you for adding me to the list.
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Old 02-17-2012, 07:54 PM
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I think I have the FF section right. Finally!

If anyone has any further FFs they'd like to rec, please post a link and i will add it to the list in the title post.

I have a new appreciation for those who start off threads/create the title posts. There's just so many little things to consider. Yikes!

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Thank you Scarlet I feel a bit better but not fully recovered yet?
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One question though, is Quinlan Rose's nee' name? Why does Tom has it before his father's surname?
So Mairin has more that 4 children? is she expecting? and what does SAHM stand for?
I love that you gave them gaelic names
Yes, Quinlan is Ma Branson's maiden name. Tom is named after her father Tom Quinlan a la John Fitzgerald Kennedy with John Fitzgerald being the father of his mother Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy.

I don't exactly know how many children Mairin has. lol. However, four of them have been mentioned in my story thus far. No, she's not expecting currently, but her youngest in The Journey to Happiness is a baby girl, Deirdre. SAHM = Stay At Home Mom.

I love gaelic names, so I couldn't resist.

Gotta run. Will be back tomorrow to comment more.
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I've burned through so many fan fiction about them. I'll see if I can get a list together this weekend.
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Originally Posted by ScarletCourt (not mine)
The way I saw the timeline unfolding was as follows:
Thursday. Feb 27, 1919 - Matthew walks, Sybil makes her decision.
Friday, Feb 28, 1919 - Bryant's visit and the failed elopement occurs
Monday, April 7, 1919 - letter arrives for Tom with job offer, S/T tells family
Tuesday, April 8, 1919 - Robert/Violet confront Sybil
Wednesday, April 9, 1919 - Robert offers Tom money.
Monday, April 14, 1919 - S/T met at Lavinia's funeral.
Wednesday, April 16, 1919 - S/T leave Downton for Ireland, overnights in Liverpool.
Thursday, April 17, 1919 - S/T cross the Irish Sea and land in Dublin in evening.
Sunday, May 18, 1919 - Sunday, June 1, 1919 - Banns are read at church
Thursday, June 5, 1919 - S/T married.
October 1919 - Sybil gets pregnant.
late December 1919 - Sybil writes to her mother about the pregnancy that she only confirmed days before.

I thought this timeline should be in this thread. Series three covers 18 months apparently. So if the Christmas episode ended in January 1920 with Matthew and Mary getting engaged. Series 3 probably starts up again in say February/March 1920 and goes into July/August 1921. The baby if Sybil is 3/4 months pregnant in January is probably born in July/August of 1920.
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Thank you for bringing the timeline over.

I would love it if we got to see moments through the whole journey of them with the baby then. I hope we get to see her having the baby. Maybe a baby shower.
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Like someone else said, haters gonna hate. They can suck it because now our fearless couple is going to have a beautiful Baby Branson.
To take a line from Pippi: THIS COUPLE, THEY MAKE ME FEEL ALL THE FEELINGS.
I agree, haters will be envious that S/T will be getting more screen time and a baby along the way lol
We cannot change them, they can only do that themselves All that we can do is stand by our ship and defended to show that not everyone agrees with them.

I wonder if our forum has a tumblr page? I ask this because because we could put one together and use a lot of gifs from the series to back up our points. I found this gif and you only need to take a look at Sybil and not agree that she looks and seems to be feeling out of place in that Drawing Room http://sallyjessyrofl.tumblr.com/post/17766399649
I could help getting the gifs together if anyone is interested?

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I just watched the Xmas special. It was lovely, even if there was no S/B. I think I am now officially an M/M shipper too. Matthew might be the closest thing to a flawless man I've ever seen; but Branson still owns my heart. I always loved a rebel.
I still find a lot of the other shippers to be pretty nasty though. M/M gets ALL the screen time but they still have to bash other couples. WTF?
Yesterday I came across a recap where one of the comments expressed exactly what I believe. When he said "she'll come the moment I call" it meant that he, not her father, is the most important man in her life now *. That's why I actually loved that line so much and have watched that scene as much as the kiss.
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I barely ever read recaps because they tend to be so negative about my bbs.
I'm neutral on M/M myself. A lot of times it feels like people are watching an entirely different show from me, because I was totally put off by the dancing and kiss in the last episode, and M/M shippers mostly loved it, and the Christmas Special inspired all this shippy squeeing, and I thought the proposal was cute and everything, but it just seemed so random and unearned to me. I guess I just don't get them? Because they really don't interest me at all.
It's like, I have the completely opposite view of M/M shippers who don't like S/B because they find them boring or have different views of the characters that I don't understand at all. It's so interesting to me that we can all watch the same show and come away with such different perspectives, even while I can't stand the bashing that goes on.
I actually have a very partial view to Mary/Matthew now because all those haters put me off . I mean they should be happy that this is the principal ship in the show (hence they have so much more screentime) BUT YET they go on hating on our ship in a very unreasonable and irrational manner. And I’m like WTF?
HarshBench, I agree with you on BIBs above The BIB* I quite agree, I mean I think this also shows the strength of Sybil's loyalty and love for Tom, she is ready to move forward in life and do her heart's desire.
Plums, I agree with the BIB1, all these haters have really pushed me to agree with BIB2. While I could never hate them I’ll not be going Gaga crazy for them next series.
I still love them but I’m not that interested in going to forums exclusive to M/M anymore.

I wonder if we could put Scarlet's timeline on the op post?


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The way I saw the timeline unfolding was as follows:
  • Thursday. Feb 27, 1919 - Matthew walks, Sybil makes her decision.
  • Friday, Feb 28, 1919 - Bryant's visit and the failed elopement occurs
  • Monday, April 7, 1919 - letter arrives for Tom with job offer, S/T tells family
  • Tuesday, April 8, 1919 - Robert/Violet confront Sybil
  • Wednesday, April 9, 1919 - Robert offers Tom money.
  • Monday, April 14, 1919 - S/T met at Lavinia's funeral.
  • Wednesday, April 16, 1919 - S/T leave Downton for Ireland, overnights in Liverpool.
  • Thursday, April 17, 1919 - S/T cross the Irish Sea and land in Dublin in evening.
  • Sunday, May 18, 1919 - Sunday, June 1, 1919 - Banns are read at church
  • Thursday, June 5, 1919 - S/T married.
  • October 1919 - Sybil gets pregnant.
  • late December 1919 - Sybil writes to her mother about the pregnancy that she only confirmed days before.
I think it is quite realistic and coherent


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Hope you're fully recovered soon.
Yes, Quinlan is Ma Branson's maiden name. Tom is named after her father Tom Quinlan a la John Fitzgerald Kennedy with John Fitzgerald being the father of his mother Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy.
I don't exactly know how many children Mairin has. lol. However, four of them have been mentioned in my story thus far. No, she's not expecting currently, but her youngest in The Journey to Happiness is a baby girl, Deirdre. SAHM = Stay At Home Mom.
I love gaelic names, so I couldn't resist.
Thank you Scarlet for your reply and the new thread I feel so much better now

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Regarding the timeline- Just watch, Scarlet, Julian Fellowes will further prove that he doesn't put nearly as much thought into the integrity of his story as fans such as yourself do when we return in Spring of 1920, and Sybil will already have a giant baby, a la Ethel.
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Regarding the timeline- Just watch, Scarlet, Julian Fellowes will further prove that he doesn't put nearly as much thought into the integrity of his story as fans such as yourself do when we return in Spring of 1920, and Sybil will already have a giant baby, a la Ethel.
Oh please no I hope that their baby is not unrealistically big, I mean we always get bombarded with this baby ads for baby products. Those babies are cute and small , it would be more realistically if the baby looks the right size. Even the new UD,has a newly born baby and the Call the midwife too. So there are plenty of small babies to go around. PLEASE DOWNTON PRODUCERS GET THE THE BABY SIZE RIGHT. also back then baby use to have a low birth weight if they want to more realist and accurate.
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I've burned through so many fan fiction about them. I'll see if I can get a list together this weekend.
That would be great.

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Absolutely and done. Our list now has 50 supporters!

Thanks for bringing over the timeline. Please note that the exact dates don't come from the episodes because other than via historical events, Julian rarely has dates in his stories and in fact, sometimes there are goofs such as William and his death date occurring two weeks before the start of the Battle of Amiens and references to the Easter Rising are chronologically off. So, for example, the week that 2x08 appears in the timeline could easily be two weeks later or the week before. I just picked the second Saturday of April for M/L's wedding because it was just before Easter and Tom getting a job offer would make better sense earlier in April.

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I agree, haters will be envious that S/T will be getting more screen time and a baby along the way lol
We cannot change them, they can only do that themselves All that we can do is stand by our ship and defended to show that not everyone agrees with them.
No doubt the haters are going to be envious, however, in my ever present optimism, I believe that with more screen time, there will be some converts, such as that poster on the PBS site who said that she didn't like Tom until the last episode that was shown and he was shown to be honourable.

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I wonder if our forum has a tumblr page? I ask this because because we could put one together and use a lot of gifs from the series to back up our points. I found this gif and you only need to take a look at Sybil and not agree that she looks and seems to be feeling out of place in that Drawing Room dump diving hipster
I could help getting the gifs together if anyone is interested?
I think it would be cool, but I will be the first to say that I have no time to contribute to it unless you take stuff from here. Also, I'm bad with graphics, which is what Tumblr is all about.

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I wonder if we could put Scarlet's timeline on the op post? I think it is quite realistic and coherent
I could add it if there's interest, but I would have to put a disclaimer in that it is fan constructed and cannot be taken as absolute truth.

Thank you. I strive for realism and coherence.

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Thank you Scarlet for your reply and the new thread I feel so much better now
You're welcome and I'm glad you are feeling better.

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Regarding the timeline- Just watch, Scarlet, Julian Fellowes will further prove that he doesn't put nearly as much thought into the integrity of his story as fans such as yourself do when we return in Spring of 1920, and Sybil will already have a giant baby, a la Ethel.
I have no doubt whatsoever that JF does not put anywhere near as much thought into the timeline that I do. And if I wasn't trying to write an S/T FF that needs concrete time info, I wouldn't have noticed the inconsistencies.

Though we got a small spoiler in an interview back in January that we will see Sybil pregnant because there was an interview that someone linked to in the last thread where LC and JBF were talking about getting fitted for costumes and JBF let out that she doesn't have to wear a corset, to wit LC said that those who watched the C/S would know why.

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Oh please no I hope that their baby is not unrealistically big, I mean we always get bombarded with this baby ads for baby products. Those babies are cute and small , it would be more realistically if the baby looks the right size. Even the new UD,has a newly born baby and the Call the midwife too. So there are plenty of small babies to go around. PLEASE DOWNTON PRODUCERS GET THE THE BABY SIZE RIGHT. also back then baby use to have a low birth weight if they want to more realist and accurate.
The problem with getting the right-sized baby has to do with the child labour laws that the pioneering socialists like Tom strived for. They will never have a newborn baby even when the baby is first handed to the mother because they need a baby to be approximately 3 months (at least in the US) in order for them to be able to work. Also, with something like Downton, they would need twins in order to get the filming in within schedule and while there are more twins born now that there's IVF, you'd still need to find a pair that had similar colouring to the parents and are cooperative on set. Reason babies are smaller in ads is because filming is less intensive than a whole show. I just take cues from how Ethel held the baby. When Baby Charlie first showed up, he was cradled in his mother's arms which is appropriate with the age depicted. As he got 'older', he was held to be sitting up. Unfortunately, you can't do more than that.

This board is so hopping that I just got through the posts on this thread and I have to go. Will be back later to comment on posts at the end of the previous thread.
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The problem with getting the right-sized baby has to do with the child labour laws that the pioneering socialists like Tom strived for. They will never have a newborn baby even when the baby is first handed to the mother because they need a baby to be approximately 3 months
Sorry but I'm quite confused about BIB, I'm not sure what it means

About the tumblr thing I could help but it would be very sperodic maybe if someone could put together some of the haters arguments against Tom and S/T .I think that an easier format and user-friendly layout would help to break down everything in more manageble chunks?
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