Philo-Nantucket

Has anyone heard of this book called Obsession Kevin Costner? You can take a look inside. "This book is based on some truth."

Amazon.com: Kevin Costner eBook: Gloria Guerra: Kindle Store

I'm not sure what to think.

Shiroja

You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoy reading these re-tweets as I do. lol, I'm just a nerd about archiving topics that really catches my interest (ie. Kevin's hidden love for Whitney all these years - and who would have known it if he hadn't agreed to speak at her funeral??). It's like at the end of his long eulogy, the strong feeling that all of us are left with is this truth -- Kevin Costner LOVED Whitney Houston. He really did. People from varying backgrounds - black, white, asian, hispanic; BOTH females and males - ALL FELT that. They noticed the unmistakable affection and colorblind love that Kevin had for Whitney.

Ya know....I have doubts about Whitney speaking at Kevin's funeral if he had passed away first. Like you said, Whitney had always been the more reserved one in her praise and comments about KC over the years. Also, I'm not too sure that Whitney would have agreed to speak even if she was invited by Kevin's family (what with her personal problems etc. Whit might not want the spotlight to be thrown on her once again). But if she did speak, I think Whit would have been very sincere and nice about Kev. She would thank him for mentoring her for The Bodyguard obviously and for his friendship. (Btw, I was touched by Whitney's dedication to MJ at one of her concerts in 2010 - those two were really tight too).

LOL....that's one convo I would have LOVED to have seen happen! Oprah surely has the skills to pry out what we really want to know from Kevin Costner!

Some more tweets (haha, don't mind me, as I'm on a roll ) --

80s90sIsTheBest

I agree I don't know how open she'd be if he had gone first. We know that she was in love with him and all, but it's just she wasn't as vocal as him that's the only difference it doesn't change anything they still loved each other and were still in love with each other.

whitney&kevinforever

I so agree with you Erica, I don't need any more proof that Kevin will always love Whitney. Kevin can come out now and say he nerver loved Whitney, that will just make me chuckle and go "yeah righhttt!!"

It is clear to me with all that has been unearthed on Kevin and Whitney's relationship that they love each other deeply but were not just lucky on this earth to experience that love in a husband-wife relationship due to bad timing of them being involved with other people when they fell in love with each other.

The only persons Kevin and Whitney could have experienced unconditional spiritual mind-blowing, "Brangelina-type love with, are each other: proof is they are not as happy with other people as they are together when they spent 6 months in close proximity of each other shooting the movie (look at those megawatt smiles of theirs when they are playful with each other and the intensity when looking at each other aaawww!!!). I know some say they are confused by Kevin's contradicted statements re: his relationship with Whitney recently but understand the man: he is going through the five stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance) and to me he has not gone pass the third stage. He seem to be going through the first thre stages (denial, anger and bargaining) at the same time because the public scrutiny has not allowed him time to grieve in private, thus the confusion/contradiction in his statements. But to me that is also proof of the deep love he felt for her because if he was not emotionally invested in Whitney, why would he feel like that?? Right??

If people around the world have not heard/seen his eulogy and picked up that love-vibe between them and started peppering him with questions, this would not be happening. And how many actors have you seen being "hounded" about the death of their co-stars with whom they shot a movie 20 years ago, if there was nothing clearly perspiring out of their pairing like a deep but tragically unfulfilled love relationship? I have never seen this happen before to any ex-husbands or current husbands or ex-boyfreinds of a famous person who has died. The magnitude of the interest triggered by the eulogy took Kevin off-guard (he probably thought after a week the interest would die down) so I put his contradicted statements to him having to deal with dealing with this while currently married with small kids and trying not to offend his current wife, and still wanting to say nice things about the love of his life-Whitney and keep her memory alive while starting earnestly to work on a legacy that ties him and Whitney both together forever in people's psyches (and w know he is going to make sure that there is a Whitney/Kevin legacy.)

I just want to hug him and tell him: "We love you Kevin, don't worry; you don't have to explain or justify anything you don't feel comfortable talking about when it comes to your Whitney." I urge us all to just keep praying for him because once he hits the depression stage we want him to go through it very quickly (one day max) so he is not a mess and lives his life as Whitney would not want him to be sad or depressed.

azgirl

Whoever wrote this can't write too well. Obviously they didn't think to use an editor! Unbelievable to me.

whitney&kevinforever

Originally Posted by Natasha777 (View Post)
He said out of his own mouth "I ELECTED." He is from the old school and so was she. He is the man. He took the lead. She had "big trust in me", and she deferred to him more than we can ever imagine. He knows what he is talking about now. The man is just brilliant - and he said out of his own mouth after the movie was done in an interview - "There was a method to my madness." That still holds true today. He knows what he is doing and saying out there. He is not weak. He knows how to answer questions. How he does it basically has to do with the state of mind and action he's in when he gives an interview - the interviewer's way of interviewing - and what "madness point" he wants to get out there. When mentioning the other actors - he was just giving Whitney some props on her acting ability. He also said in the Memories DOC - that he wanted her to know that she was his colleague. He may not have had time to go other places in that particular interview and setting other than in the way he went.

This I also how I understood this comparison. I am glad someone else understood it that way because there is no way Kevin will disavow his love for Whitney-NEVER.

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Kev is in control of this situation (his emotions) more than people think. It is almost a challenge and goal to him to be able to do it and not just get thru it - IMO. He has Whitney to lean on, as she is forever present as his Angel. Do we not believe that she is his Angel? She will never let him down. She never did when she was here. It’s just that FATE is always the ultimate winner. I don't think he is weak. I don't think he is suffering inconsolably. I don't think he is near a breakdown. I think he is very strong. He just loves and misses his baby, although she is always near him. He is still ANGRY at what they did to her. He did and still laments the fact that he would have traded for, hoped and prayed that she could/would have been able to live and love on Earth in peace, and not have been MANIPULATED – than to his having sat around hoping and praying that she was physically his over the years. That's true love. He hates how she was treated and especially by Bobby and Clive.

GREAT POINT!! Awesomely stated. I could not have said it better even though this is exactly what I have been thinking
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Originally Posted by EricaCallieShipper (View Post)
I think it's the third option because I don't think Whitney could really take or just break his heart like that she didn't seem to be that type of person. So I'm leaning towards the 3rd option-they both went into it knowing/accepting it would be over once the BG was over.
Could be, most definitely. And his heart would be broken once it was over no matter what, so the song lyrics still hold. Do you remember the interview (I think in the Memoirs DOC) where he says something like "it was a good environment because of how we got along, but it wasn't a great environment because I would have liked to have had more time with her" - or something like that, of course, in typical Kevin fashion, you could interpret it to mean "more time to help her with her craft," but I think he really meant that he wanted more time with her, period. He didn't want it to end.

I am glad someone caught that sentence in the DOC about “I wanted more time with her.” I swear that DOC is a gold mine of Kevin and Whitney love tidbits. The first time I heard it, I was “Wow dude, try t not be so obvious!!” LOL. Kevin’s mind is so brilliant that he will find a way to convey his love for Whitney even when you think he is not because one cold interpret it as him wanting time with her to make the movie even better but we know he just wanted the shoot to keep going so he can see her almost every day. Poor guy, the love bug bit him really really hard, LOL
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Posted by Casual observer
TBH--I agree with you about the other point--I think after awhile he would've been disloyal to Whitney as well. But maybe that strong love he had for her would've made him reform his womanizing ways once and for all in order to win her back when she walked out.

I strongly believe that if Kevin had gotten with Whitney, he would never have set eyes ever again on another woman. He says in his eulogy that as Whitney is going back to her Creator even the Creator is awed by how he created something so perfect (you guys, need to read each word when Kevin speak as it reveals a lot of his mind and soul.) Whitney is to him Perfection, a creation that has no comparison. He worshipped the ground she walked on, he would have given her the moon and then tried to figure out how to give her the other planets and then the other galaxies, LOL. He really really really loved and still loves his Whitney.
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Seriously--Kevin's true feelings for Whitney were so evident in all his actions....he could not hide his feelings despite being an actor. The man was so smitten it wasn't even funny. I'm sure he fantasized about being with her, maybe even of leaving his first wife for her (though that's debatable because as someone else said, he wanted to have his cake and eat it too). The worst thing he could do right now is try to deny that he and Whitney had a special unique bond and relationship. He was used to bless Whitney during her life. But she was used in death to bless him. No one cared who he was anymore. Sorry to be so blunt, but would any of you be on internet message boards discussing Kevin Costner right now if it hadn't been for that eulogy and the re-airing of The Bodyguard showing their interaction? I know I sure wouldn't. Not even close. When I read he had a twitter account but hadn't yet posted any Whitney tribute, I looked for it only to see a mere handful of followers (4,000 something at the time). I looked at other actors--they had hundreds of thousands of followers--some had millions.

But Whitney's eulogy shone the spotlight back on him--and in a very positive way. Where would Modern West be now if not for that? Certainly not selling out shows--and would Anderson Cooper or Diane Sawyer have been interviewing him? I doubt it. Her death really did jumpstart his career. That was Whitney giving back to her man from beyond the grave imo. He had done so much for her while she was alive, now it was her turn to do something for him. They had far more than just a working, professional relationship--even more than just a run-of-the-mill affair of the hearts and bodies--they shared a deep spiritual connection that was and is entirely on another level. A true Divine Destiny to be part of each others' lives. To try to downplay it at this point and backtrack is almost like he's betraying her and her memory. He needs to knock that off--or he will begin losing all the goodwill he's built up since her passing.

VERY WELL SAID!!! Kevin blessed Whitney with that movie and the songs they created together and while alive Whitney always expressed her gratitude for that (as recently as when shooting “Sparkle” she mentioned in the Entertainment Tonight interview again the great experience Kevin allowed her to have when shooting The Bodyguard and how she wanted to recreate that for Jordin) and in death she is making sure from beyond the grave that he can feel her love and the whole world’s love. As you say, Kevin Costner now is back in the international conversation since the eulogy why: Because everyone could feel the love between him and Whitney from the content of his eulogy. One portion of the eulogy that struck me was when he said he held and hand, reassured her, told her he would be with her every step of the way and that she will not fail. And boy did she not fail!! She hot hit out of the park in that Movie and both of them will be talked about as a “ one-of-a-kind pair” from here on.

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Kevin Costner, Whitney Houston: Actor-Singer Claims Responsibility for Icon's Biggest Hit

Most people know Kevin Costner as an Oscar-winning actor, director and the star of blockbusters like Dances With Wolves. But Costner has been slinging a guitar for as long as he's been gracing the silver screen -- and music, in many ways, has had a huge impact on his career.

"It's worked its way into almost every facet," Costner tells AOL Music Blog during a visit to Toronto.

He's playing music in one form or another for most of his career, sometimes even writing songs while he's making movies. He even played a part in one of the biggest hits in music history when he suggested that his co-star Whitney Houston cover a little Dolly Parton number called "I Will Always Love You" for The Bodyguard.

"It's a great song and I thought that the sentiment of it was something that was powerful," he recalls. Not everyone was on board at first, but his passion for the tune soon won over Houston and producer David Foster. "That was not what you would call a conventional choice or even close to it. But everybody began to understand how the song could work and then Whitney did a beautiful job of it. David Foster was really important in the understanding that I wasn't going to back off and embraced what I needed."...

I AM JUST GOING TO SAY “I TOLD YOU” to you ladies. I know Kevin will go down proclaiming his legendary cinematic and musical and love pairing with his Whitney. He cannot help it. He just has to say her name. Her name is like the Oxygen he needs to breathe. I kind of imagine him, sitting alone sometimes since she passed, talking to her. That’s how deep these two go.

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This site has some really great pictures. Some are really interesting. There's one with Whitney on a motorcycle. Perhaps someone can post them. Here's the link.
The Bodyguard | The Whitney Vault

Thanks, Phili. Some pics do not appear in scenes in the movie at all. Like the one where she is wearing the white man’s shirt and black pants: that one is awesome. Please ladies, can anyone copy some of these awesome pics. Thanks a bunch !!

80s90sIsTheBest

Here are some of the photos from there for anyone who wants them. I couldn't fit the last few like I wanted too because the site wouldn't let me and I can't double post so I'll post up the last few later.

*click on image to enlarge it*

Philo-Nantucket

Yeah that part I found rather unbelievable too. The book needs some serious editing. Again, I don't know what to think about the content.

kala79

To me it's just a piece of 'bull...' some sort of fan fiction. Of course I didn't really read it all, but the part I read was not interesting at all and some parts were made up. Yeah, it has some truth...like his name or his wives names

bethanyr

I think you make some excellent points. I was looking at Modern West's facebook page and a fan had commented yesterday about how they had enjoyed the concert in Nashville but thought his experience earlier in the day was still on his mind because his eyes were sad. They were talking about the Fort Knox ceremony which I'm sure was very sad but I don't think any of us would think it was the fallen soldiers alone weighing so heavily on his mind. Regarding Whitney, has anyone read this interview yet?

[EXCLUSIVE] Monique Houston Breaks Her Silence about Whitney's Death - Entertainment & Culture - EBONY

casual observer

I actually agree--he needs to do a fine balancing act of honoring Whitney and their (obvious) bond vs. offending the current wife.

Good point--The Bodyguard seemed to mark the pinnacle for both of them. Then the collapse began--for both of them. Also with this Brangelina stuff in the news--it shows that a relationship that doesn't begin under the best circumstances can still be for the best (as it appears they really love each other and should be together--but I don't know too much about it, really).

However, not surprisingly, I cannot concur with you on #2--I suppose there's a possibility of things being different--but the probability is that they aren't: we know that he couldn't hide his effervescent feelings for Whitney doing those behind-the-scenes interviews for The Bodyguard--the man's face was beaming with love, admiration and respect. So to now believe the staged, robotic smiles he has whenever he's with #2, or the tenseness in his body language when an interviewer brings her up, or his reference to her as 'a good partner', or the lyrics to that song her supposedly wrote about their relationship, or the passionless 'kiss' at the Knicks game is anything other than what it clearly appears to be really would require a suspension of disbelief and a journey into an alternate reality. Sorry, I can't go there.. I am a realist. You once said that you're a 'romantic realistic, I believe, but it doesn't appear to be the case here--you have to admit--the man doesn't look happy and hasn't for many years--not just since Whitney's death. He seems like he knows he's painted himself into a corner, wants to do the right thing by his kids in his mind by staying with their mother, but he also knows he made a huge mistake by getting married when his heart really wasn't into it. I've said before it's my believe that seeing an unhappy marriage as your role-model is far worse than living in 2 separate, but happier, households. Far less dysfunction all around in the latter case. I'm a Christian too, btw and I know divorce is discouraged, but the marriage vows are "let no man asunder whom God has joined together" not 'let man not asunder what someone manipulated and pressured you into in a moment of weakness"

That's right--his eyes are sad and have been for awhile--not only since Whitney's death (though I'm sure that is also taking its toll and contributing a great deal to his state of mind), while this sadness could be career-related, I believe it has more to do with the probability he is not happy in his current marriage, that he knows he made a mistake--a huge one--but is uncertain what he should do and how to change it. Probably the loss of Whitney just brought home the fact that 1. Life's too short and 2. reminded him what real love felt like.

I don't know about Cindy's availability---the information I have is pretty randomly acquired. I have not been following him very long--only about 8 weeks. I only started looking up anything on him after Whitney's death (like alot of us here--not much interest in him until recently).

To clarify--I wasn't referring to Cindy at all--I thought the original message meant that #2 was doing the pursuing. From all reports, Kevin fell head-over-heels in love with his first wife--I doubt she needed to do much 'wooing.'

Yes, I remember reading this somewhere--which I think is why he was chasing Cindy.

Ouch!

Very well stated. I agree with all those points. It wasn't a case of him dumping Cindy for #2, but the divorce and circumstances surrounding it tarnished his boy scout image. I firmly believe pressure came from his 'people' as well as family (not to mention her of course) to settle down and remarry in order to restore at least some of the family man image (with the mistaken notion his career slide was due primarily to the divorce and not his movie choices)--the thought had probably occurred to him as well.

But the choice he made for a second wife was a very poor one--he should've selected someone more age appropriate as well as more accomplished in her own right to avoid looking like he married a golddigging 'fame-seeker' (there's another less kind term that I'm tempted to use, btw) While his PR people have tried to spin it differently, #2's only claim-to-fame is being married to Kevin Costner, afterall. I am guessing many of his fans are older ladies who remember him from Dances With Wolves, Bull Durham (sp?), Field of Dreams and they probably resent seeing a young bimbo-ish companion along-side him.

And I agree--if you don't want public scrutiny, choose a less public profession. It's as simple as that.

I don't think he should've succumbed to the pressure of marrying her to begin with and a divorce in my view is just a correction of a past mistake. If this were Cindy, well, I'd feel that was a relationship to try to save. Not this one. Yes I agree that he needs to find a more age appropriate wife the next time around. Someone without the vacuous saucer-eyed look constantly posing for the cameras. Or at least a real German Supermodel--yes, Heidi is available now isn't she? But then again, so is Eva Longoria (I think)--those two made a striking couple! And she didn't need to cling to his arm to get her picture taken.

Thank you sooooo much for this! Brilliant search technique btw!

I found out about that girl in February and her claims when trying to find out more about Costner after Whitney's death. She posted lots (dozens it seems) of comments on the topix message boards relating to him. Here is her main allegation:

Kevin Costner Denies Rumors He And Wife Are Splitting - Topix

She has lots of other posts on the site--but they all refer to the incident described as far as I can tell.

80s90sIsTheBest

Here's the rest of those photos from my previous post:

*click on image to enlarge*

bethanyr

Public scrutiny is a funny thing. Why should entertainers be more scrutinized than politicians or police officers or teachers? People who's jobs really affect us on a much more important level? I've heard numerous celebrities say that even though you know if you hit it big, they'll be some level of this, but you're never really prepared for it. You did say that you've only been reading up on Kevin in the past 8 weeks and I've mentioned I've been a fan of years. It was after he and Dances with Wolves won the Oscar that the scrutiny became unbearable. They had tabloid photographers hiding in the woods as they filmed Robin Hood. That was when they paid the woman to write about an affair that never happened (she admitted this later). Harrison Ford has also talked about the loss of anonymity.

As for the book, I don't look at books about famous people unless it's a reputable author. That doesn't mean a reputable author glosses over a person's flaws or mistakes but uses solid sources, their own interviews and can construct proper sentences. I read a great autobiography on Gregory Peck written by a family friend so she had access and knowledge. It was written with the consent of the family but did not gloss over alleged affairs, drinking problems, falling out of friendships, the suicide of a son, nasty arguments and subsequent divorce with his first wife, etc. Celebrities are easy targets. You look up Wikipedia or IMBD, read a few interviews or articles and you can construct some realness into a otherwise fictional account. Despite whatever flaws he has, the following article shows the type of person he is. Yeah - it's from a golf blog but it's a great article about a kindhearted man. Oh, and just to show you how tabloid type stories can happen, one article that didn't know this young woman's tragic story, interpreted the kiss on the cheek as flirting with a much younger woman.

Ontario Golf � Blog Archive � The myth and reality of Kevin Costner

casual observer

You're kidding right? Entertainers benefit directly from public attention--in fact the degree of public attention they engender is what their income is based upon. This is not at all the case with policemen, teachers etc. Those jobs--and the degree of success associated with them are not at all related to the number of 'eyeballs' they attract. It would seem that celebrities are more than willing to enjoy the perks and privileges associated with fame--the large homes it pays for, the lifestyle it subsidizes--the supermodels it attracts--but suddenly want the attention turned off when it becomes inconvenient. Not that Costner is stupid enough to think that is how things work in life--he seems to understand that fame and success at his chosen profession is a double-edged sword and that if you want to enjoy the 'good' that comes at a price of the 'bad'.

I think there's been fair warning to any would-be celebrity that you will get public scrutiny if you choose this career. That's not to defend made up tabloid press reports with no basis in fact--but keep in mind that stars have PR agents to spin things to look differently from what they actually are as well.

As far as the 'new book'--like I said I came across this information 2 months ago--never brought it to anyone's attention before and only mentioned it now because there was a direct question here on it and I distinctly remembered that girl's name. I have no idea whether or not her allegations are true. Even if they are--the behavior described is not that over-the-top and does not appear to be criminal--just perhaps a bit boorish.

And thanks for the Ontario article--very nice story about him--but then again I consider this part of the 'public scrutiny'. In this case, it reflected very positively on him--as did Whitney's eulogy and the subsequent public attention it drew. I'm sure he more than welcomes the 'good press' himself. And I'm sure he--at least now--realizes that there's just as much potential for 'bad press'. But that is something that should be obvious to anyone who chooses acting as a career. Media attention and public scrutiny are part of the deal and just like any job, it has its pluses and its minuses.

bethanyr

No I'm not kidding. I'm saying these people have a far greater potential impact on our well being than entertainers. I'm not talking about legitimate press. I'm talking about the standards we hold them to. Isn't it more important that a police officer not have drug issues than a tv star? Isn't it more important that a politician answer questions honestly than a musician? Mel Gibson has anger issues? Sure. But wouldn't that behavior be far more frightening in a teacher entrusted with the well being of other people's children (I realize MG has a young child of his own).

I know you didn't bring the book up. I was just giving my 2 cents worth. I've seen the woman's posts too.

Press at a public event is normal and expected but digging into a celebrity's trash or hounding them when they're trying to leave a parking space or bothering them when they're trying to take a child to school or interfering in their job (in this case making movies or music) should not be part of the deal any more than Whitney's personal problems should have been splashed all over the tabloids. We know that contributed to a lot of the pain she suffered in addition to the unhappy marriage and other issues. It would have been one thing to report on a statement issued by Whitney that she was going into rehab but we all know the tabloids and papparazzi type journalism were extraordinarily cruel to her.

Kevin's also stated that he doesn't want more fame. That he's had more than his share. That doesn't mean he doesn't do interviews. That's part of the job which he even said in one of the recent interviews from Canada. I've seen him constantly correct people in interviews about CB being a model or German. I know that you don't like her. I obviously have never met her so I can't begin to judge her. I have read stories from people that have met her and described her as very sweet. Whether she is right for him is not for me to judge. My great grandfather was in his 60s when my grandfather was born.

I'm fine with your opinions. I feel most of you probably know Whitney better than I do since I enjoyed her music and movies but wasn't an extreme fan. On the other hand, most of you have mentioned that you didn't know a lot about Kevin until recently so I feel I and the few others like me have a little more knowledge of him. I just think it's great that people that can feel different about many things can still easily see the connection between these 2 people (whatever the flaws of both of them are) and wish things could have been different. Ok, I need to go be productive now so don't know how much I'll be here the next 3 or 4 days to have a good weekend!