casual observer

" I wasn't going to back off "

This article was just posted--once again more evidence when he really wants something and knows it's the right move, he won't back down--that to me is true masculine strength--and he exhibited so much of it where Whitney was concerned. Such a contrast to the namby-pamby 'can't-make-up-his-mind, let's-someone-else-call-the-shots' attitude he adopted in more recent years:

Wow--that really says something, doesn't it? I think Whitney Houston was his Annette Bening....

I read something shortly after Whitney's passing that indicated he did--but perhaps the author was mistaken--if so I stand corrected:

In any case, the original point stands given that MW doesn't have a substantial # of followers either compared to other celebrity pages--albeit not as paltry as the KC twitter account to which I was referring.

ETA:

I'll tell you what I wanted to have seen--instead of the end where he's at what he referred to in an interview as a 'Kiwanis Convention' I wish the shot cut to Frank and Rachel in a church getting married! How about that scene!

Raven03

I've thought about your question...what love scenes we would've liked to see and honestly I can't think of any, besides sumthin similar to the fic i wrote. I went thru each scene in my head and almost all of them have a deleted scene. Also, I'm a Twilight fan and Edward and Bella's wedding song is a perfect fit for them. I can totally picture Kevin telling Whitney some of the sweet things in this Song.

Sleep at Last, Turning Page

I've waited a hundred years,
But I'd wait a million more for you.
Nothing prepared me for,
What the privilege of being yours would do.

If I had only felt the warmth within your touch.
If I had only seen how you smile when you blush.
Or how you curl your lip when you concentrate enough.
Oh I would've known what I was living for all along.
What I've been living for.

Your love is my turning page,
Where only the sweetest words remain.
Every kiss is a cursive line.
Every touch is a redefining phrase.
I surrender who I've been for who you are,
Nothing makes me stronger than your fragile heart.
If I had only felt how it feels to be yours
Oh I would've known what I've been living for, all along
What I've been living for.

Though we're tethered to the story we must tell,
When I saw you, well I knew we'd tell it well.
With a whisper, we will tame the vicious seas,
Like a feather, bringing kingdoms to their knees.

AchrisL

I agree that they loved each other dearly. it occured to me and I would love your feedback on this, I think W & K talked and decided to slice out some intense love scenes because they were already enblazed in their own private one. Both are private and they wanted it for themsleves, they just never would have come out and said it publicly.

Cindy- is the mother of his kids and she is a good woman so he should speak kindly of her.

That 2nd wife knew full well what she was getting into. Maybe he thought by marrying the broad he could settle down, but once once's heart is smitten it's smitten. he respects her, but she is no victim.

She managed to tie herself to him with kids, but she will be well taken care of. To me she is - a non- I don't know the word, but she is no innocent.

Zoe- I don't think it ever ended. I think someohow through the years they were together. It not physically, spitually. As hard as it is for him, she would not being do at all right now had the table been turned.

80s90sIsTheBest

I'd love that too! That's a great ending scene.

Philo-Nantucket

This site has some really great pictures. Some are really interesting. There's one with Whitney on a motorcycle. Perhaps someone can post them. Here's the link.
The Bodyguard | The Whitney Vault

GobSmacked82

I always found it interesting that neither Kevin nor Whitney had healthy love lives after The Bodyguard. On Kevin's side, he just pitter-pattered along, doing the Hollywood thing and dating every pretty face in sight. And through articles accessed on these boards, we've learned that some of those relationships were not fulfilling. On Whitney's end, well, we've seen what happens when a super-successful beautiful woman marries way beneath her. I mean, if you do the math, Whitney's marriage was over from year 5. She was already clowning him just being who she is, and there was strong evidence of physical abuse.

Well, back to my main point. These two could not get their love lives together, because they were not together. They were always with the wrong people. I'm not saying it would have been all perfect, because they would have to deal with the normal pressures of his woman vices, her chemical vices and busy careers. But if Brangelina can weather public disgust over their union (not me, so much. I don't even keep track) and stay committed, and if Kevney had that same love that transcends space and time, well. It would have lasted.

And with his recent marriage. Who knows? We didn't realize that Kevin and Whitney had so much in common, so maybe there is a lot there between him and CB. If only he wouldn't look so darned serious every time her name comes up. Dang!!

80s90sIsTheBest

There's no doubt in my mind about the physically abuse to me it's been confirmed. I agree with you about them not having good love lives because they weren't together with each other. I do think they'd able to get through anything together because I think their love was strong enough and they definitely had a lot in common.

GobSmacked82

My vote would be for a scene where Frank explains to Rachel that her sister Nikki hired the hit man, and a flashback scene into their lives as younger women really explaining why.

80s90sIsTheBest

That's a great one. I've wanted a scene like that.

Shiroja

Very well said, and I have to agree. It is true that not many people cared about Costner (aside from his diehard fans) before Whitney's death. He was not really relevant anymore until his passionate speech at Whitney's funeral made him a person of interest to many again. What you said is INDEED TRUE - Whitney, in her death has blessed Kevin Costner and returned his favor to her. She got everybody talking about Kevin Costner again, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he is being overwhelmed with movie offers and getting scripts thrown at him from everywhere right now - just like in his heydays back in the mid 80s-early 90s. I think KC will try to keep a low profile for awhile, so as not to be seen as capitalizing on Whitney's death to make a career comeback.

^ Thanks for sharing the articles about his attempts to woo back wife #1 Cindy. I'm not motivated to dig up info on Cindy and KC's other ex-gfs, but it is a good read nonetheless. So is Cindy still a single mom or has she been seen having a new romantic interest since Kevin got married to wife #2 CB?


LoL, perhaps they wrote each other love letters. I'm not so sure that Cindy did all the wooing...

Btw, I read that Kevin was a shy and awkward teen in highschool (he was only 5"6' and grew to be taller later on as an adult) and thus only had one date during his school years. Then he met Cindy in college, found her to be very pretty and intelligent (she was a science major) and Kevin was so amazed that she agreed to go out with him. It's a nice story and not that uncommon for guys to marry their college sweethearts.

Well, if he had been in any other profession other than showbiz, KC would be very close to retirement age, so that qualifies him as old in my book. But I gotta admit KC still has a lot of sex appeal for an older guy, LOL. However, the thing that turns a lot of regular people off Hollywood stars is how once they've hit the big time, they dump their loyal wives who supported them and brought up all their kids, to exchange the older, plainer #1 wife for a younger and hotter 2nd wife. It has happened to many Hollywood A-Listers - like Michael Douglas, Mel Gibson and Harrison Ford (my aunt used to be a HUGE fan of HF but she didn't like him anymore after he divorced the wife and got with that Ally Mcbeal chick) - aside from Kevin Costner. Granted, Kevin didn't ditch Cindy to marry CB, it was Cindy who got tired of his womanizing ways and wanted out. Many former KC fans have stopped liking him because of how he wronged poor Cindy; and the fact that KC is married to a much younger woman now (almost 20 years his junior) doesn't help his image at all. I usually just support or like actors/singers for their talents and can't be bothered about their personal lives too much, but I can see where these fans are coming from. As public figures, people WILL judge you whether you like it or not.

Exactly, as outsiders...we can only wait and see how KC's 2nd marriage will pan out (I don't wish to see him divorce because as I stated previously, KC is a bit too old to be chasing around young skirts). If he were to divorce CB and find new love, it would be better for Kevin to find sometime closer to his age, who is mature, talented and at his level (I think Susan Sarandon would be a good match - lol, but who's asking me?); not another young model-type like CB. Oh, and I have never liked Elle McPherson as she's such an airhead. Give me Tyra Banks or Heidi Klum etc over Elle anyday - these ladies have got the brains to go with their hot bodies, they know how to keep themselves relevant in this fickle and youth obsessed industry.

Anyway, back on topic about Kevin and the twitter phenomenon. I did a twitter search for 'Kevin loved her' and 'Kevin love Whitney' way back in Feb a few days after Whitney's funeral and low and behold - I was amazed by the hundreds upon hundreds of tweets from people around the world. It was so very interesting for me to read and find out what people thought of Kevin's eulogy and his connection with Whitney - some of those tweets were funny, others just in awe at what they'd just seen and heard . I've saved the entire 'search result' page onto my computer as I knew that the older tweets would be gone from twitter over time, and I wanted to keep those tweets to remind me of that surreal day - when Whitney Houston took the world to church and Kevin Costner spoke so movingly at her Homecoming and made everybody tear up - even the self-proclaimed hardened cynics. These tweets are like a snapshot of a particular moment in time, when the world came together to remember and celebrate the miracle of Whitney Houston. And Kevin's words that day will definitely go down in history as one of the most remarkable and poignant eulogies of all time.

Here are some screen captures of those tweets from Feb 19-22 (I live in Asia so Feb 18 in North America is Feb 19 locally) -- (please do NOT quote the [ IMG ] tags to save forum space)

GobSmacked82

Erica,
I believe the deleted scene where Rachel slaps Frank is the one where obviously he got her really mad about something. Who would ever slap a man carrying a gun? Not me. It says the Rachel Marron character had a lot of nerve, and I could imagine her doing or saying something in her sister's life—beyond upstaging her in a junior high school band, or whatever—to upset her enough to hire a hit man.

OK, like, what if Nikki, or Nicki I forget, was married once to a guy that Rachel thought was a complete leeching loser and constantly told her so. In front of her brother-in-law. A successful sister-in-law is one thing, but a loudmouth one who constantly puts you down is another. The years go by; his luck doesn't change. They borrow more and more money from Rachel until Rachel throws down an ultimatum to Nicki: not one more penny until you ditch the loser. Nicki relents and during a quick and easy divorce proceeding, she makes the mistake of bringing Rachel along for moral support.

Rachel and the brother-in-law cannot stand each other and the proceeding goes to crap. Fast. Screaming insults fly back and forth.

Rachel: A husband is a provider! A husband is a provider! That thing you married is not a husband.

You know, that sort of thing. So the hearing is done, the divorce is granted and the women think they've ditched the loser. But he's a loser who did one good piece of homework: an insurance policy on Rachel that names Nicki as the beneficiary and in the case of Nicki's death ... him. You got it. The contract was overlooked, which means it's still in force, and Rachel and Nicki must be picked off in that order.

But that is all a mouthful to explain in a romantic thriller. Easier to have Nicki say: say my sister put a hit out on me because she's jealous of my success!

80s90sIsTheBest

Yes I believe that slapping scene is when Frank tells Rachel something about Nicki, but what we don't know unless we've seen the unedited version which most of us haven't yet or if we have it's been years. I know there's a gif on that scene, but that's about all we have for that one.

Raven03

From wat ive heard it was jus her being upset saying why didnt u protect Nicki she never did anything to hurt anyone. Hence the 'this is how i say im sorry,' by the pool scene.

80s90sIsTheBest

Ah that's right I remember hearing something about that somewhere, but I had forgotten about it, thank you for the reminder.

GobSmacked82

First off, I'd like to say thanks for the 'archival re-tweets'. They are a lovely digital scrapbook/memorial book of that moment, and shows how easily people from widely varying background, and some would say opposing backgrounds, can unite around a single idea. In this case it is a colorblind love that none of us knew existed.

It occurred to me the other day that had Whitney Houston died first, this would have all been very different. Would it have been that type of Baptist, musical emotional home-going tribute the way Blacks do it? If there had been some sort of memorial service, would she have spoken, and would she have expressed the same loving affections as KC? Would she have explained how the screen test went and that he was a handsome as aman could be, or that God couldn't have created a more perfect man? Judging by her cool reserve over the years and his consistent trail of lighting up and smiling and complimenting her all over the place, I don't know.

And if CB were not in the picture right now ... Diane or Oprah would have already dragged it out of him.

Oprah: Welcome to the show, Kevin.
KC: Thanks, Orpah. You look great.
Oprah: Enough stalling, Kevin. We need to know! First, did you love our Whitney? The way a man with a brain loves a woman like Whitney?
KC: Uh, well. (shifts in his chair)
Oprah: Kevin, do you know your smile is so wide and so bright right now that I'm about to get a tan? Can you see yourself?
KC: What are you talking about?
Oprah: And right there, shrugging like that. You don't shrug, and grin, and beam like that when you're talking about Sean Connery. Even if he is a looker.
KC: (laughs) I thought you might do this.
Oprah: Well, aright. Let's get to it! You came her to confess, admit it. I always get a confession, you know.
KC: (laughs big)
Oprah: Just don't jump on my couch, OK? I love Tom, but that got him into a heap of trouble.
KC: OK, I knew you'd try to get me to be honest. I saw you and Diane playing rock, paper, scissors after the service.
Oprah: Well, let's start. Did you love our Whitney?
KC: With all my heart. She was an impossible sweet miracle, Oprah. Just like I said. A coco-brown long drink of water.
Oprah: And what was in the LETTERS, KEVIN?? We are dying to know! (after a pause) but you're a gentleman.
KC: Yeah, and Whitney once told you that some things are better left unsaid. But I will tell you that the eulogy and the letters came from the same place. The same heart, emotion, everything. I like getting letters. And when I send them, I like to make them keepers.