casual observer

yes--indeed! That describes it exactly! That's what I meant, but couldn't find the right term.

I would! Ha Ha!

I called it 'rapture' in another thread here, but the other word is what I was getting at.....(I don't believe I would've written it out though even if I could think of it at the time)

I think it's like what you said--everyone's situation is different. But I think alot of couples stay together because they think they're doing the other party a favor by the sacrifice. I know, if I thought my husband was staying with me just out of a sense of duty and obligation, I would tell him he should leave. That he's not doing me any favors. I don't want that .

Why would any self-respecting woman want a man to stay because he felt 'he owed her something'? I would tell him to express his sense of duty to me (and any children we had together) in the divorce settlement and treat me and the kids fairly. That's all I'd want. I wouldn't want to 'take him to the cleaners' and I wouldn't expect him to want to do that to me. As long as there's a fair and equitable legal ending, let everyone get started on new lives and find someone they really love and can be happy with. As far as doing it for the kids because they want mommy and daddy to live under the same roof with them--well, kids want every meal to be from McDonald's too. They want to live at the beach or at Disneyland and never go to school or do chores. Their judgement should not dictate the day. The kids might not like it, but I doubt they like being witness to a loveless marriage either.

I think it's far healthier for the kids to interact with separate but happy parents individually than to grow up with the role-model of a cold, distant relationship between husband and wife who remain together out of duty. I think that latter scenario would be far more damaging and dysfunctional. Imo it's better to grow up in separate households not witnessing any interaction between mom and dad than cold, distant interaction without genuine love. Couples who stay together 'for the children' are often doing more harm than good, imo. I think those kids would end up as adults, telling their parents 'thanks, but you didn't do me any favors'...

GobSmacked82

Well, I agree that every situation is different. I think that if the husband is kind to his wife, and is a good provider, there shouldn't be any reason for them to split up. Especially in the absence of any major deal breakers, like "Honey, I just realized I'm gay."

KC has probably learned a lot from his first marriage, and doesn't want to repeat the same mistakes. He's probably a good husband, and we know he's a good provider, and we've never heard any rumors about him being an SOB. They say the kindest thing a man can do for his children is to love their mother. I think by respecting Christine and saying so, he's acting out a very solid model of married life for his kids. He might not light up everytime someone mentions her, but if he treats her with respect, that goes a looong way.

My vote? STay together. But ain't nobody aksing me!

Raven03

We're all adults and lets be real. That look may have been the beginnings of a 'Frank Farmer orgasm' but the actual look wouldve been more...intense! ;-)

Philo-Nantucket

[QUOTE=zoe1990;62602322]I think Kevin's no dummy, and he knows exactly what people want to know about him and Whitney. And he sort of wants people to know, because as another poster put it, he is proud of his love for Whitney. But he doesn't want to embarass his ex-wife and his kids from that marriage (all of whom I'm sure know, but it's one thing to know privately and another to see him announce to the world that he fell in love with Whitney during filming, i.e. when he was still married to Cindy).

So he goes out and drops mega hints, offers plenty to allow people to draw their own conclusions, but always leaves himself just a liiiiitle bit of wiggle room - a little plausible deniability. And I think he is counting on the fact that nobody has the guts to ask him point blank "were you in love with Whitney Houston?" so when he got that "were you her bodyguard in real life?" question he kind of bristled - he didn't like being put in a corner that way. Anyway, that's my theory! The question is if as he gets older, writes a memoir or something if he'll eventually decide to reveal it. Whitney is in that "legend" category - like Elvis, Marilyn, etc - and interest in her is just not going away. There will be biographies, biopics, etc and certain people are going to work very hard to sniff out this information. It may be that Kevin eventually decides that he needs to reveal it on his own terms rather than risk being sold out by some crew member from the set of the BG or something.

I agree with you. He's no dummy, and his tune has changed. The man is 57. He has a lot on his mind these days. I'm sure part of it is reflecting on the past. He does not seem quite the same. He appears distance. My guess is that he's very tired, and the death of Whitney has taken it's toll.

I have a feeling that he's going to get really quiet about Whitney. There's too much going on.

zoe1990

That is all interesting about his choice of movie roles post BG. Definitely doesn't seem like a coincidence. bethanyr - I have a question for you, as it sounds like you are a longtime KC fan who has followed his career for years (not a johnny-come-lately like myself!). We've all seen the extensive footage of KC talking about Whitney, both around the time of the BG and more recently - the way that he glows when talking about her, his numerous declarations of love for her during interviews all over the world, the way he gets downright giddy when she's the topic. And we've all seen the footage of their behind the scenes interactions, the joy and electricity that appears to flow between them. And it definitely seems to me to be unusual co-star behavior that is unique and reserved for Whitney. But since I haven't really followed his career closely, I don't have much to compare it to, so I was hoping that maybe you can put this into context as someone who has followed KC's career? Have you seen Kevin act like a hopelessly smitten schoolboy with any of his other leading ladies? I'm guessing no - but I'd love to hear your thoughts.
I think you're right. And I get it, and think it's probably for the best - but I'll miss getting those little nuggets that help us confirm what we all believe to be true.

whitney&kevinforever

[QUOTE=Philo-Nantucket;62635076] Philo, I agree with you on most of what you say. However, eventhough Kevin gave a weird answer last week (comparing his relationship with Whitney with Gene H. and Sean C.) I don't read it as him denying that his relationship with Whitney is special. I think it has more to do with how the interview is being conducted. Because right after he gave the interview with the weird comparison he gave the other one in Toronto where he said him and Whitney are absolutely linked and he thinks of her. So I take it as him just being overwhelmed by all the Whitney questions in each single interview he has given since the eulogy but you know Kevin likes to make his cake and eat it too, so what he subconsciuosly want is to be able to talk about HIS WHITNEY but not offend wifey. He loooves talking about Whitney. So there lies his dilemma. He just needs time to grieve away from the media so that he does not have to fight his feelings. But make no mistake= Kevin wants to be linked to Whitney forever in people's mind (he said so himself in a way) and he is proud of that association because he loves her + sees her as the legend that she is and a legend that he had a hand in making by choosing her to do The Bodyguard.

GobSmacked82

Thanks for the links. Very interesting comments from the British real-life bodyguard. I have to admit that I never thought the music management industry could sink lower in my estimation, but it has. Personally, I would never ignore pleas for help from someone who was so close to Whitney that they heard and saw everything and was so troubled that they reached out to me. It is hard to interfere with someone's marriage, but if I were Whitney's industry "father" like Whitney mistakenly, blindly referred to Clive Davis as, I wouldn't allow my protege to go on in a situation like that and feel unprotected.

If only Whitney saw the impact that her death has had on people. The grief of her family, tears from her friends, Kevin bearing his heart like that, and Clive Davis' oddball coldness. I wonder how she would react to seeing him party on while her lifeless body lay upstairs. I could never have that kind of depraved indifference to human life, much less the biggest money maker of my management career, like Whitney. I'm sure the man must have some good part to him, but the greedy demonic side always seems to win out, doesn't it? Pray for Alicia, Jennifer and Krissy. All those beautiful young ladies are under his spell, and his track record is as horrendous as Whitney's taste and judgement was in men.

When I clicked on that article about the bodyguard, I also notices an open letter from Robyn Crawford, her longtime executive assistant. Robyn Crawford describes her relationship with Whitney Houston in a touching open letter | BelleNews.com, Latest News
It's funny how the LBGTQs in the world fervently and unabashedly state as fact that Whitney was gay. They say that if she had enough courage to be true to who she was, she wouldn't have to cover the pain of a sham marriage by using drugs. The rumors have always been unsubstantiated, denied by both parties, and their only steam, if you can call it that, is that it has been a long-standing rumor. It's weird how people will believe that so readily and ardently, but it never occurred to them to look to a white man as Whitney's paramour. That, of course, is flimsy and baseless wishful thinking. Until someone does a basic search on interviews and articles connecting the two of them ...



I've been thinking the same thing. Men can be incredibly, infuriatingly thick-headed, and they somehow have this mechanism in their brains that make them take their beautiful wives for granted. It's been reported that KC's relentless work schedule and his horn-dog love scenes aggravated Cindy enough, but the claims of real-life infidelity? It might have been painful, but I could see myself walking out on that situation. And he apparently was in a state of depression after the divorce. He might have been kicking himself over and over, knowing that he could have saved his marriage, had he met Cindy's reasonable demands. It almost makes me lose all sympathy for him, and avoid wishing that he an Whitney had gotten together. Who's to say he would have treated her better than Cindy, who was far less emotionally complicated and, as far as we know, never had addiction issues? KC and WH's life would not have been easy or fun all the time; I'm realistic enough to see that, for reasons I've already stated. But who knows? Maybe after a few years of being unable to win Cindy back, unable to bring himself to use the word 'love' with all these beautiful women he dated, and having to work up enthusiasm for marrying CB, he and Whitney could have given it a go.

But then there is the issue of Whitney's legendary stubbornness. My friend is stubborn, married a white guy, and anyone who she heard having anything stupid to say about her relationship was absolutely banned from her house and frozen out of their lives. She does not play, my friend! This one old female friend of his had the nerve to trash her during their engagement, and as cool as a cucumber, over time, she let it be known that the heffa was not welcome in her house and there would be 'problems' if he went over to hers! LOL. I'm thinking that if WH really wanted KC, she would have gone after him. I mean, she gave herself to that river rat, right? And she stuck with him through hell and high water. KC is on a different planet entirely than those creatures. Why wasn't he tempting enough for Whitney?

80s90sIsTheBest

I do think that Kevney would've had a great life together if they'd gotten together and it doesn't make me feel bad for shipping them, granted like many have said it wouldn't have been easy in any sense of the word, but I think they would try very hard to make it work because to me they were in love and Kevin had been (still is) in love with Whitney for over 20 years that says something. I also think she'd have a better, healthier life with KC he would've treated her so much better to where she didn't need the drugs and have all the pain that she did with parasite she married. I think she would've been very happy.

I think she did want him, (it shows in her interactions and mannerisms with him) but like others have said on here she had her severe issues with self esteem and insecurities she just didn't think she was good enough for him or to get together with him so she wasn't tempted enough and the fact that she grew up like she did and also the timing was very bad for them. I also think she was afraid. I do think she was in love with him and no one can convince me otherwise I stand by my opinion: it was love for both.

RachelMarronshadow

[QUOTE=whitney&kevinforever;62637641] The more I listen to his interviews,the more I get confused about Kevin the man, he is praising Whitney at one time, and another he is comparing him to Gene and Sean. Another time he is talking about TBG sequel with Princess Diana, are you kidding me?!. Well, perhaps the questions about Whitney during AC interview took him off guard. As much as I love Kevin, I get confused. No wonder Whitney couldn't give him a chance. She may have been confused herself.The man is talking in parables. Sometimes comes across as grieving, sometimes as a player who wants to have his cake and eat it.I think the best justice he can do for Whitney and himself is to write a memoir. Hope he finds peace!

Shiroja

Yes, the song does remind one of their relationship. It fits the time at the end of filming The Bodyguard, when Whitney told Kevin that she was getting married in July that year. I also thought about them when I heard this song on the radio awhile back.

If you're ever in my arms again--Peabo Bryson is another song which speaks about their relationship -- Kevin's regret for letting Whitney go when he had her (if only briefly).



IF EVER YOU'RE IN MY ARMS AGAIN (Peabo Bryson)

It all came so easy, all the loving you gave me
The feelings we shared, and I still can remember
How your touch was so tender, it told me you cared
We had a once in a lifetime
But I just couldn't see, until it was gone
A second once in a lifetime, may be too much to ask
But I swear from now on
Chorus:
If ever you're in my arms again
This time I'll love you much better
If ever you're in my arms again
This time I'll hold you forever
This time will never end
Now I'm seeing clearly
How I still need you near me
I still love you so
There's something between us
That won't ever leave us
There's no letting go
We had a once in a lifetime
But I just didn't know it
Till my life fell apart
A second once in a lifetime
Isn't too much to ask
'Cause I swear from the heart
Chorus
The best of romances,
deserve second chances
I'll get to you somehow
'Cause I promise now

Another song which reminds me of Kevney - Any Other Fool - Patti Austin / Sadao Watanabe, but from the Whitney's perpective since most of the songs mentioned so far are from Kevin's angle - when she met up Kevin again during the Ali event in 2008:



Any Other Fool


I couldn't see
Paradise right before my eyes
When I have you here by my side

I didn't know
That no one else could ever take your place
But now I know
I know that I should have stayed
And seeing you tonight
I only wonder why
I ever said goodbye

Any other fool would never walk away
Even a fool
Would still be there holding you oh .....

Any other fool would know
I never should have let you go
I have it all as any fool could see
Any other fool but me

Anyone else
Never would have let the feeling die
Anyone else
Would have fought to keep it alive
If they were in my shoes
They'd know the love we have
Was love too good to lose

Any other fool would never walk away
Even a fool
Would still be there holding you oh .....

Any other fool would know
I never should have let you go
( i had it all when you were loving me ,
had all the love i'd ever need )
I had it all as any fool could see
Any other fool but me oh ......

I had it all when you were loving me
( i had it all when you were loving me ,
had all the love i'd ever need )
I had it all as any fool could see
any other fool but me oh..........

Any other fool would never walk away
Even a fool
Would still be there holding you oh ......

Any other fool would know
I never should have let you go
I had it all as any fool could see
Any other fool but me

Any other fool but me
Even a fool
Would still be there holding you oh ......

Yes, I'd have to agree prettygirl - that Cissy and Dionne would be the only ones with a close enough relationship with Whitney in 2004-2005 to ask KC to write to her. (There's also Whitney's best friends like Robyn Crawford and Cece Winans, but by then Whitney had cut away many of her friends who truly loved her - those who were not enablers). Also, from the way Kevin talked about Dionne's phone-call in the Anderson Cooper interview and the warmth he showed Cissy in his eulogy, he does seem to be close to them. Exactly, that Booby clown isolated Whitney from meeting and interacting with a healthier group of friends & colleagues. If Whitney had not divorced Booby in 2007, would she have gotten the chance to befriend Tyler Perry who turned out to be such a stand up guy for Whitney at her funeral (and is now taking Bobbi Kristina under his wing)? Hell no! That possessive and insecure freak Booby would've been too threatened by grounded, successful and intelligent men like the KCs and TPs of the world. Booby was mentally abusing Whitney to keep her down. Whitney could only endure that sham of a marriage for so long before she finally gathered the courage to leave that garbage bag. Whitney wasted too much time around ghetto low-lives (IT and family) and the stupid party crowd, unfortunately. Her intellect was not challenged and her talents were wasted. She had so much more to contribute to the world.

Kevin said in one of the bts videos for The Bodyguard that Whitney had a "gentleness to her" and she found it very hard to slap Kevin, even though it was only acting. So we can see that WH was not a violent person by nature. How did her relationship with Booby get so violent then? I believe Whitney had to put up a tough exterior for self-preservation due to the abuse she was receiving from BB. The original WH was soft spoken and quiet (as described by those who knew her from childhood) and I don't believe she would have hit her husband EVER - if she was married to a gentleman (like a KC, a MJ or a Denzel). It was her toxic environment and being with that destructive THING for so long that changed Whitney's personality. She was role-playing the wife of a useless thug, sadly for the past 15 of 20 years of her life. Grr. It makes me mad for such a beautiful soul and life wasted.

Ah, thanks for concurring with me, prettygirl. At least I know I'm not the only one who thinks that Whitney looked out of it. It wouldn't surprise me if Elton had too much to drink also. Elton has admitted he could have easily ended up like Whitney because he used to take as much cocaine as she did back in the day. He quit drugs in 1990. He dedicated a song to Whitney when she passed away and said that Whitney was incredibly brilliant and the most beautiful woman he thinks he's ever seen. Wow, what a great compliment from one music legend to another.

Elton John Dedication to Whitney Houston


LOL, prettygirl you're so good at digging up rare youtube videos of Kevin Coster/Whitney Houston, like a pro researcher! Uhm, is it just me or do u see Kevin looking down at that lady's boobs in the second video (at 7.56 min and 7.57 min)? Poor Kevin! Kevin/Whitney/Kevney's fervent, loony and curious fans like us around the world are unearthing every embarassing detail/incident about him!

Well said. It is so different compared to the forced affectionate way Whitney acted around Booby clown. With Kevin, she could just be herself and their chemistry naturally sparkled.

Exactly, it's the tragic lovers that become legendary and unforgettable, like Romeo & Juliet, Jack & Rose (Titanic) and Kevin & Whitney. There's something about a true love that was thwarted by fate and outside forces...we will always replay the "what ifs" in our minds. Legendary pairs sear themselves into people's collective memories and pull at our heartstrings.

MFEO, indeed. And you're welcome Erica. I know it's frustrating sometimes being a forum/thread mod. I did that before, wouldn't want the job ever again.

That's insightful, bethany. You're right, it can't be a mere coincidence that KC's best performances are that of flawed characters carrying a lot of pain, whereas before The Bodyguard, he got famous for playing dashing heroic characters who saved the day (Dances with Wolves/Robin Hood). There must be some inner pain that KC is drawing from when he acts out these haunted/lost/depressed characters. Real life experience and failed relationships does give one a deeper understanding of the frailty of human beings.

I do believe that Kevin is an old fashioned romantic, and that is probably how he wooed his wife (with love letters).

Agreed zoe, Kevin's careful choice of words are a thinly veiled smackdown of BB. Also, in another radio interview when asked what can be learned from Whitney's life, Kevin said to "stay away from those who made you feel bad, and keep close to those who made you feel good" -- definitely another smackdown of BB, because Kevin is painfully aware of all the emotional abuse that BB had put Whitney through.

Even though many people have defended BB and said that idiot ex-hubby is not to be blamed for Whitney's death since they were already divorced for 5 years, we cannot dismiss that all the emotional and mental scarring on Whitney from her 15 years of volatile marriage to him had taken a heavy toll on her. It is not so easy to recover from a long abusive relationship and drug addiction to start afresh under the public eye. Bad habits and lifestyle choices formed over many years are VERY hard to undo - and who introduced Whitney to all that hard partying lifestyle? None other than that loser, Booby. Before she met that wild party animal, Whitney was always professional, on top of her game and proud of her work. Her decline clearly began after she got with Booby and was influenced by him. At the end of the day, Whitney has to be accountable for her own actions - yes of course. Whitney paid for her mistakes with her life, but Booby certainly helped push her down the path to destruction. He is no innocent party.


My general sentiment is the same as yours. KC is at an age where he can't exactly start all over again looking for a young new love to play house with - because let's be realistic, it would be irresponsible of him to father 3 kids with wife #2, and then decide that she's not who he wants to be with after all. At his age, I don't even think that KC is looking for the type of passionate crazy love that he had felt as a young man (with wife #1 and Whitney), but what he probably appreciates now is companionship. I read one of KC's old tweets from last year where he said that all he needed to keep him satisfied was a good woman who had faith in him and the salary that he'll be making from the new Superman flick (where he's acting as Jonathan Kent). Now, KC's tweets are often self-deprecatingly funny -- so interpret it how you will. Personally, I think there's a truth in his tweets. KC is not the same idealistic dreamer now, all he really wants is to watch his kids grow up and spend the rest of his days doing his favorite things.

Is Kevin is currently happy with his marriage or not? Well, happiness is relative and only KC would know best how happy is happy enough for him. If he feels that this marriage is giving him what he needs, then good for him. If he is not happy enough, then we will all know when KC separates from CB, won't we?

kala79

Yeah, I've read that letter, it's very beautiful. I really wished that Robyn stayed in Whitney's life. She was such a loyal friend. And I'd rather Whit to be in a lesbian relationship with Robin than with heterosexual with Bobby, looking from the perspective. In 2002 disaster interview where Diane Sawyer grilled our girl(she didn't interview her, it was like a teacher at school who is requesting answers from a student that doesn't know the answers. In that case subjects were all uncomfortable for Whitney, you could tell. She even cried during it ;( ) Whitney said that she loves her, but that Robyn left in 2000. That was the time when her problems became really serious.

Anyway, I've posted part 4 of my fan fiction today: The Bodyguard what happened later? Chapter 4, a bodyguard, 1992 fanfic - FanFiction.Net
and I mention a little about Whitney-Robyn situation there, lol

Philo-Nantucket

[QUOTE=RachelMarronshadow;62639683] I hear you clearly. He makes a big speech and his follow ups are somewhat indecisive. I think a book would be nice. I also think he makes a great point about us common folk having our anonymity. I'm sure it's really difficult being famous. He's handled it rather well over the years.

He's a very patient guy. He waited two years for Whitney. He moved a lot of mountains, but ultimately, I don't think he got what he wanted. He has a lot of gifts ,and he shared with Whitney. However, at the end of the business day, she was gone. Of course, he will always have I will always love you. We will always speculate until he tells us something different.

80s90sIsTheBest

I don't need anymore speculation if he was in love with her I have all the proof I need.

bethanyr

He always speaks highly of his female co-stars but definately, I have never seen the same type of interaction with any of them than there was with Whitney. I think the quotes someone posted about his leading ladies were pretty indicative of his feelings. He admires their abilities as actresses, he recognizes their beauty, and some of them he remains platonic friends with but I'm mentally trying to go through a list of his leading ladies and there's no other that he simply glows every time he's around or speaks about. And, several people have pointed out, you don't see that great smile any more that he always had around her. I do remember the whispers around the time The Bodyguard came out. I remember reading along the lines of that a lot of time the 2 couldn't be found and they'd have to go find them and they'd be found kissing somewhere, saying they were rehearsing. No idea if that was true or tabloid fodder. They both, of course, have talked about going off to rehearse so that has at least a ring of truth to it.

Changing the subject just a little, as to that interview with the Gene Hackman/Sean Connery comment, it's true we don't actually know what the question was. They could have been asking well, why didn't you know about her addiction problem sooner or how often did you seen her after The Bodyguard? It's easier to say we didn't really pal around than to say we couldn't really see each other outside of public events because of the marriage she was in. I still think the comment he made in the interview shortly after that when he said that what we learn from Whitney's life is to spend time with those that make us feel good and to move away from those that don't make us feel good. Without using any names, it's pretty clear who he was talking about.

80s90sIsTheBest

wow thanks for that info, (hope it is) but I don't doubt it if it was I'd like to believe it's true. I can just imagine them doing that. It's funny too that they couldn't be found and everyone had to go and look for them which I can also believe because that's true.