dreamywriter19

arakha

TFTNT.

Chuck/ Blair
Nate/ Serena
Freddie/ Effy
Matty/ Franky
Thomas/ Pandora
Bill/ Sookie
Stefan/ Elena
Stefan/ Caroline
Stefan/ Katherine
Damon/ Katherine
Damon/ Bonnie
Jeremy/ Bonnie
Matt/ Caroline

Queen J & The Dark Prince

Tftnt!

I posted this on the last thread, but I just had to say AGAIN!

Chuck/Blair
Blair/LIFE!
Brittany/Santana
John/Natalie
Brody/Jessica
Lucky/Elizabeth
Joey/Kelly
Nate/Serena
Emily/Anyone other than Toby, Ali, or Caleb


These couples disgust me so much, it makes me cry.

Like this guy:

Black_Betty

TFTNT! One day I shall effectively combine these two posts. Until then:

Damon/Elena -

'I wasn't the favored child.' 'My father didn't love me as much as my brother.' 'The girl I loved loved my brother more.' 'My brother made me turn into a vampire.' 'My girlfriend, who was supposed to be a dried up piece of jerky in a cave, was actually alive and creepy-stalking my brother because she is a lying liar from Liarsburg.' Cry me a river, bro. There is a point when reasons become excuses. Let's say a century is the cut off point, okay? Since millions of people manage to push past violent childhoods of rape, beatings, degradation, genocide, war, slavery, etc., within a few decades and while those traumatic events never leave them they don't allow those things to rule them, and they don't use them as excuses to ruin the lives of others. People learn to recognize their behavioral patterns, triggers, etc., and control them and learn to form healthy adult relationships. And Damon does know his (like the back of his hand, I suspect) he just doesn't really care; he enjoys the control and the security that control provides.

Am I being cold, uncompassionate? No. I pity Damon. I dislike Katherine for the way she treated him. I think what happened between him and Stefan was tragic, but not any one person's fault. (Which is not me saying Stefan is a saint; simply that if Damon was manipulated into feeding from that first girl and so can't be blamed then I find it hard to fault Stefan who, accidentally, was also in the grip of bloodlust. One tragedy created another.) Feeling sorry for someone doesn't mean you absolve them. "Damon's trying." Fine then, writers, but attempting to change isn't the same as having changed and it doesn't get a ****ing gold star. "I want to not be a murderer!" Uh.....that's very nice for you, Damon, and I hope that works out and all, but until then stay the hell away from me. "He wants to be hated!" Well then, he's doing a damn good job. Next? Damon is not a victim. Damon makes choices. Damon does crappy things because he can do crappy things and luckily enough for him there's always some reason just laying around that he can use to get himself off the hook. "Damon's feelings are intensified because he's a vampire." So were Rose's and she made it very clear in The Descent that ripping into people was not something she generally did. So are Caroline's and she's getting a freaking A+ in vampirism. So are Stefan's and he manages to control himself 99% of the time. So were Lexi's and I wouldn't have hesitated to sleep in the same room as her. It's not/wasn't easy for them; it was something they have/had to fight to control all the time. But they make/made the effort because you do not have the right to make your **** everyone else's.

Damon's relationships, all of them, are abusive and Damon is the abuser. Emotional manipulation? Check; people live in fear of Damon - hiding their weaknesses from him, worrying how he'll respond to changes - and altering their normal behavior to try to control his responses, which in turn makes them feel (to a degree) almost responsible for his actions (I should've done this differently, said it differently, gotten his permission first). Psychological/emotional abuse? Check; Damon particularly likes name-calling and badgering people for their perceived weaknesses. Physically abusive? Check; using women as blood bags, having sex with women after compelling them to not run away from him in fear (because he is a blood-sucking vampire, after all; this is their natural self-preservation instinct he's robbing them of) and to love him, snapping a young boy's neck, killing people out of sheer boredom or "emotional turmoil".

People say Elena doesn't have a self-preservation instinct; those people haven't looked close enough. In the beginning, Elena was flat-out opposed to Damon being around once she learned who and what he is. (And I don't mean being a vampire, I mean being a monster: when she saw how he treated poor Caroline.) But Elena had no say in it, did she? It's not like Elena could politely ask Damon to stop sneaking into her bedroom while she slept and touching her face like freaking Edward Cullen, or to not try to compel her to kiss him, or to just leave her alone; Damon is a 145 year old vampire who steamrolls everyone who attempts to assert their autonomy. So what did Elena do? What she does best: tried to riddle out his personality, his history (while making it very plain she did not want him around). Elena does this - she did it with Trevor and Rose, with Elijah, with Anna. She tries to understand their motivations and find a common link between that person and herself; with Trevor and Rose she played the sympathetic and ignorant kidnap victim once she realized assertiveness got her nowhere and reminded them too much of Katherine, with Elijah she ended up stressing the importance of her family and her word when she realized how important those things are to him, with Anna she tried the mother angle in the hotel room. Once she's found that link she uses it as the foundation of her relationship with that person. She builds from that, with positive actions (Elijah letting her go to Jenna) getting positive responses from her (her returning to him that night), negative actions (Damon snapping Jeremy's neck) getting negative responses ("You've lost me forever."). It's like voluntary Stockholm Syndrome designed to, for lack of a better word, domesticate the other person. "I can't get rid of this person and he/she won't leave. So how do I work this to make it non-threatening?" And while I hate the tolerance....she's a human girl. She ain't Buffy. Damon murdered her brother because she refused him. Supposedly, Damon loves Elena. And yet he rushed her baby brother - one of the few surviving relatives she had - toyed with him for a few seconds while she panicked and begged, then snapped his neck.

I understand perfectly: the tv series is based on novels about a love triangle, the show was pitched and sold as such, and now those two relationships - Stefan/Elena and Elena/Damon - are considered the backbone of the show and their supporters probably make up the bulk of the fanbase so the writers feel the need to do the triangle no matter what. The problem is: there is, as I understand, a long goddamn way to go between Book!Damon and Show!Damon. B!D was no saint but he didn't do most of the things credited to S!D. So the triangle on the show, imo, does not feel organic. It's inherited from another group of characters that have a different history. The writers went too far with Damon. I refuse to ****ing romanticize it: all the horrible things Damon has done do not make their love more Epic. They are not on some Great Journey. Damon is not her partner in the Great Dance of Life, for ****'s sake KW/JP! He is her brother's murderer. Her friend's rapist. She has to walk a mile of eggshells every day just in case he's been drinking or, I dunno, had a bad dream about Katherine that night or some other dumb thing that will set him off. So here's the deal, writers:

Either it turns out that: A) Elena went to Damon to take care of him out of loyalty to Stefan and to try and use whatever sway she might have to keep him calm (since she's the only person we know of who's taken care of a vampire dying of a werewolf bite), realized he was on the very brink of death and decided to act in a forgiving way because to do otherwise would bring neither of them peace and she wouldn't have to follow through on it since she was about to be free of him, or B) Elena actually is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. I am not being sarcastic. Damon is a predator - on this show he is second only to Klaus in his willingness to kill others - and that whole stupid Lion and Lamb thing is best left to Twilight. There is nothing romantic or epic about the pairing. The only option is that Elena really has learned, as a means of survival, to identify with Damon.

I'M SUPPOSED TO WANT TO SEE THAT PLAY OUT? No, no, no, no, and no, also: GDIAF.

Pairing Damon with anyone or anything but a stake is wrong. But with Elena? It somehow manages to be worse than almost any potential pairing but perhaps Damon/Caroline and Damon/Andie. And I say perhaps because: he slept with her biological mother and then killed her. This is after having slept with her ancestor who looks exactly like her. He killed her biological father, he killed her brother. It's like he's been spinning this web around her and it's ****ing nauseating to watch.


Damon/Elena -

I accept and understand that our past informs our present. I understand that a father loving you only second-best can instill feelings of inferiority. I understand that the betrayals and lies of a woman you once loved can make you distrustful. I also understand that people don't exist in a vacuum; people evolve, for better or for worse. I also understand that sometimes people employ Psych 101 bull**** to excuse their own childish and self-involved behavior because they don't want to own their ****. You always have a choice, and the best ones are usually the hardest. Not that Damon would know. The man mistakes confessing his love to a girl and then erasing her memory (a huge violation) and leaving her with the emotional memory for shouldering his own burden. He mistakes creating a mess that other people have to clean up (trying to assassinate an ally, failing, which in turn forces someone to do the deed by stabbing herself in the damn gut) for getting things done. He mistakes saying things that are true with being honest. Damon doesn't respect Elena's right to make her own decisions; he allows her to make unimportant ones. He's proven that plenty of times this season. Once things get heavy he will manhandle and dominate her, try to force her to submit to his choices. He will kidnap her. He will wipe her memory. He will force his blood down her throat. He would willingly make her into a vampire, a threat to her brother and best friend. And it wasn't to protect her life, Damon doesn't respect life. Not Jeremy's, or Vicki's, or Bonnie's, or anyone else. Elena's value as an individual is solely in her value to Damon, as far as he's concerned. It doesn't matter that Elena is a 17 year old human girl and an active member of her community with two wonderful best friends and little brother she loves more than anyone (even her aunt and uncle/bio dad, even more than her boyfriend and his brother who is in love with her), with her whole life ahead of her. Because the only part of that last sentence that means anything to Damon is the bolded part. So how can I ship them knowing that? Knowing that even though he "loves" her he will still try to kill her brother, right in front of her, as she begs him to stop? Elena is respectful of other people's feelings and choices. When she learned about the curse she made her own plans; she didn't try to stop the others'. She understood. She asked them to stop and respect her choice, but she never interfered. Because she understands they care about her, she understands their reasons. Elena is a very caring person; she's also trustworthy, brave, considerate and clever. Damon? God above, I'm supposed to be moved by the fact that he didn't kill Andie! Oh sure, he mauled her and threw her to the ground, but hey! It ain't murder, am I right? Are the writers serious?! When you have to employ the spousal abuse defense (he shouldn't have done it, it was wrong, and it hurt her, but he loves her) with one of your characters then, um, no: I will not ship him with Elena.

And here's the other really disturbing thing: Damon has laid some pretty broad compulsions on Andie - the usual: no fear, love me, blah blah. Those compulsions remove her self-preservation - witness the very human Andie waltzing into an apartment with Katherine, a vicious vampire bitch, that is also occupied by the most feared vampire of all time, just because Damon wanted her too! - and make Andie 'willing' to do anything to please Damon as she now believes he is the love of her life. Take the no fear compulsion away and does Andie stay with Damon? Or does she wake up on a pillow soaked in her blood and haul butt out of the house, like poor Caroline tried to do once? Andie will have sex with Damon because Andie is "in love" with Damon because he told her to be. But now take away both broad compulsions and what? How is Damon not raping Andie? How was Damon not raping Caroline every time they had sex after he compelled her not to fear him? If Stefan does something that causes Elena to end their relationship and she chooses Damon, but Stefan gets jealous and compels her to love him again and they resume their relationship - including sex - that seriously isn't rape? I DON'T WANT ELENA WITH DAMON! I like the girl; why would I want to subject her to the guy that makes Chuck Bass look restrained?

You know what? Forget just Damon/Elena. How about Damon/Anyone Ever.

Redlight-Electr0

Harry/Ginny
Ron/Hermione
Stefan/Elena
Elijah/Elena
Craig/Manny
Spinner/Emma
Sav/Holly J
Franky/Matty/Liv
Aria/Ezra

dreamywriter19

Chuck/Blair.
Brooke/Julian.
Lucas/Peyton.
Brooke/Chase.
Damon/Elena.
Stefan/Elena.
Damon/Bonnie.
Elijah/Katherine.
Matt/Caroline.

Do the world a favor and DIAF. Thank you

Black_Betty

Seconded

Queen J & The Dark Prince

JOEY/KELLY!!!



DIE. IN. A. FIRE. Please.

dreamywriter19

Rory/Jess. I keep forgetting to hate on these two, even though they made S2&3 of one of my favorite shows ever almost unwatchable. Another couple that should DIAF asap

Izzy Lightwood

Damon/Elena
Finn/Rachel
Puck/Quinn
Cook/Effy
Harry/Ginny
Breaking Dawn/Life

Black_Betty

I never got the appeal of Jess and couldn't wait for that relationship to end!

mary ksand

Agreed with those completelly and ugh, I don't know how Breaking Dawn can even exist But I'll still go to see it, because I cannot miss a scene where Edward calls Jacob "my son" because he imprinted on his newborn daughter

Jack/Kate tell me, mighty Jacko, is this what you really wanted all alone? A woman who would leave you dying alone with a dog and escape the island with someone you literally was forced to watch her having sex with? After you tried it (which we didn't actually get to see) and failed it (which we pretty much could see clearly) with her and she let her relationship with you fall apart because of her loyalty to that man you watched her having sex with? And after you chose drinking/drugs instead of her and your own nephew that SHE rraised on her own like her son, because you where full of insecurities? Dear Jacksus, please have some self respect... of wait. I am talking to a guy who created a purtagory which was his only chance to get together with his dream girl and not to fail it. Except that even in HIS purtagory she was all about Sawyer

Jack/zero character evolation another sad example of how not to write characters. I remember clearly how in the beginning of the show he was the most intriguing character to me. This troubled man with some issues to overcome who had to become a leader even though he didn't ask for it. Later as series progressed I became one of a few pro-Jack(!) anti-Jaters, because despite him doing things that made me or even he still tried rather hard and I am always ready to give a character that tries a second or even third chance as long as writers acknowledge his mistakes and work to give him a proper evolation and growth. But soon after, mainly during season 3, I realized that they writers are not going to give Jack an evolation or at least that this "evolation" they where going to give him clearly doesn't fit my theory of a character growth. It turned out that the writers not only didn't see his flaws as flaws, but also supposed that we, viewers, where going to worship him for them. Sorry, writers, but this is definitelly not how it works for me. By the end of the series this character evolved into such a controlling freak that it ended with him, not able to make people act and behave the way he wanted or even form some proper bonds with them, creating a purtagory in which everything goes the way he wants to. Or at least the way he thinks would be right. Examples: Shannon/Sayid are "soulmates" because Jack clearly knew a little if at all about Nadya and just as little about Boone/Shannon backstory. Desmond and Penny ended up in the Church without their son, because Jack never knew they had a son off island. Basically, this purtagory thing says it all: Jack was so desperate to make things go his way without trying to actually get to know those people he was supposed to guide to the light. For those reasons a character that could have been epic ended up being an epic fail just like the whole series.


Oh, TFTNT btw!

dreamywriter19

YW Kara, Pia and Mary

Ugh, Jess Mariano was such a pathetic excuse for an interesting bad boy. He was just an annoying James Dean wannabe

Spuffy at heart

Stefan and Elena- The most interesting thing, I don´t even hate these two together. I am just indefferent to them. Their scenes are just boring, nothing new happen with these two. Their lines are incredible cheesy and I just really don´t see the TRUE LOVE between them. Their story isn´t written like they are. He would let her die, cause she "wishes" for that. The biggest problem is, that she WANTS to live, but "wishes" is cause her family/friends could die. Why didn´t Stefan tried desperatly to find a way to save her like he did with Damon? Why was it Damon who goes to Klaus and try to stop the Ritual? That is exactly what Stefan did for Damon. He didn´t respected Damons died wish, so I assume he doesn´t love Damon really? Stefan cares for everyone, and I don´t see the difference between caring for people and Elena. Stefan doesn´t save the lifes of Elenas friends/family cause they mean to her that much- he does is cause he would do it for everyone, that is Stefan, not his love for Elena. Beside that they are boring that is also the main reason why I could never ship them, I don´t see THE love between them

Damon/Andie- I don´t see why she was there at all. Their interactions were a waste of time...

Elena/Elijah- I don´t see a romace there. They don´t care for each other at all. He wanted revenge, she wanted to save her family.

Damon/Rose- Don´t buy that he would care that much about her

Caroline/Tyler- Suddenly they decided that they care about each other so much, when in season one they didn´t even really interact.

Caroline/Matt- In the very beginning I liked them, but now it must just end. Their scenes repeat themselves. Also don´t like how Caroline act around him.

Max/Tess

mary ksand

Agreed with those so much

The truth is that I really don't hate Stelena, I just have some issues with them that wouldn't let me ship them + they are boring as hell. I don't like it that they started with a lie, I truly believe that Stefan wanted to protect her but he shouldn't have jumped into a relationship with her so soon, at least not before it would be safe to tell her the truth about Katherine and everything. Also I agree that Stefan shows much more love for his brother, which is totally great since it makes me love Stefan even more, he is amazing guy, but I don't see him loving Elena in a way that: "If you die I will be destroyed and die to". I'm sorry, but when you love someone you cannot "respect" his decision to die. You try your best to save this person. Like Stefan did with Damon. So why didn't he do the same for Elena? It was not about respect, it was just SE not being that "epic" love they are sold as.

Damon/Andie was such a waste of Damon's character and destroyed his growth. So pointless.

And I hate all the Caroline canon couples, I did like her with Matt in the beginning, but then Matt started acting like a douch and she acted like an insecure girl with him. As to Tyler, I tried to like him, but I only ever liked him with Jeremy and think this should have been a couple instead of TC. TC where so rushed and barely had a build up at all.