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Old 10-16-2012, 09:44 PM
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I would be really upset if Tara lowers herself to that level - that is so not her, as we all know she is very smart hoping she has a really good PLAN B ANNIE - i would send this in a spoiler for you but not sure i know how to do it Tara can't go down this road
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:48 PM
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I don't like Tara lying to Jax I understand why cause Jax would go crazy ( which a part of me wants to see ) but it still makes me sad. You can see everything is taking it's toll on Jax and he just wants some time with his lady at the cabin. And as soon as he said that I went well either something is going to happen to stop them from going or we won't even see those scenes

I really really hope Tara doesn't do what Otto wants her to.
I liked all the kisses, and that Jax at least knew she was going to the prison.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:51 PM
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Why does Tara lie to Jax all the time? What does Kurt want to do with this liar and weed smoker Tara?Seriously is he trying to make people to hate on Tara even more so he can kill her off whenever he wants? I don't like this new Tara.She was the only honest,pure character among all but Kurt has ruined her. It doesn't make sense that she is lying to Jax all the time.As much as I hate to admit but Tara has turned to Gemma#2 with all her lying and her manipulative behavior which is really bad in my book at least.
Since when is Tara lying to Jax all the time? If that's the case why did Jax lie to Tara about him having a quite day? So Tara is ruined because she smokes weed every now and then (which everyone else on the show seems to do, and much worse) but since it's Tara, she gets crucified for it. Also, Kurt and Maggie have said countless times Tara is not Gemma, and she isn't going to be Gemma. This change in Tara is just realistic what would happen to someone, like her living this life and getting in as deep as she is. I also have to ask, what manipulative behavior?
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:52 PM
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Why does Tara lie to Jax all the time? What does Kurt want to do with this liar and weed smoker Tara?Seriously is he trying to make people to hate on Tara even more so he can kill her off whenever he wants? I don't like this new Tara.She was the only honest,pure character among all but Kurt has ruined her. It doesn't make sense that she is lying to Jax all the time.As much as I hate to admit but Tara has turned to Gemma#2 with all her lying and her manipulative behavior which is really bad in my book at least.
She's lying to him because if she told him he truth, he'd go ape sh** and kill Otto or hurt him in some way and that would just lead to more RICO or other charges., or forbid her to go back again and she seems determined to handle this situation her way. She's protecting him and the club. And no, I don't see her getting on her knees for Otto even for Jax. Maggie has talked about how part of Tara's journey this season is seeing how she reacts in her role as Queen when her family is threatened (Abel via Wendy) and the club is threatened (via Otto and RICO). This isn't about her not being truthful or pure or good because reallly, Tara was never really those things. She's always had a darker underbelly that was tamed by her intelligence and her life outside of Charming. Underneath the veneer of civility and grace, she's still the angry, damaged 16 year old who fell for the local Biker Prince and got herself marked as an Old Lady of an outlaw biker gang. In the end, she's going to use that keen mind of her's to rise up and protect what's her's. Much as she did last season with slidding that needle over to Jax and telling him how to get away with killing Clay. Not her mouth. JMHO

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Old 10-16-2012, 09:56 PM
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Although it's the lowest act ever but I wouldn't be surprised if Kurt does that to Tara's character and makes her to do what Otto asked her to do just because he wants to.Another reason to make people to hate on Tara's character.I would be highly disappointed in Tara but honestly I can't say I would be surprised.I really don't like Kurt and what he is doing with Tara's character.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:58 PM
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Yeah, I don't know if I could continue to watch if Tara did that. Tara is the one character that really connects the audience to the show because she is sorta an outsider. Maybe she does have another plan up her sleeve, because she is way smarter than that.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:59 PM
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I don't like Tara lying to Jax You can see everything is taking it's toll on Jax and he just wants some time with his lady at the cabin. And as soon as he said that I went well either something is going to happen to stop them from going or we won't even see those scenes

I really really hope Tara doesn't do what Otto wants her to.
I liked all the kisses, and that Jax at least knew she was going to the prison.
I think thats why she has kept somethings from Jax, like the whole Gemma and Wendy stuff, Carla beat down which both were childish and this thing with Otto. She doesn't want to add more to Jax's plate he has so much to deal with and telling him about Otto will only add more stress to Jax. I don't like it, but I do see why so far they have Tara doing this. She feels its her job to do this for Jax and the club. I am hoping she does come clean to Jax and they don't have her lower herself to what Otto wanted. Tara is smart they better write it like that for her in this situation and not go down that road.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:02 PM
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I think we all are entitled to our own opinion.Tara's lying to Jax is not really new.I mean even last season she lied to him.I know why she is lying or whatever but lying is still lying,No matter how.Manipulative behavior is next to lying.When you lie to someone,you are manipulating that person.Don't you think so?But still it's just my opinion base on what I have seen so far in season 5.That Tara has changed for worse and I don't really see the reason behind it.JMO
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:04 PM
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I think we all are entitled to our own opinion.Tara's lying to Jax is not really new.I mean even last season she lied to him.I know why she is lying or whatever but lying is still lying,No matter how.Manipulative behavior is next to lying.When you lie to someone,you are manipulating that person.Don't you think so?But still it's just my opinion base on what I have seen so far in season 5.That Tara has changed for worse and I don't really see the reason behind it.JMO
and Jax saying he had a quiet day after bashing in the skull of the guard who had Opie's killed with a water globe was what exactly?
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:10 PM
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She's lying to him because if she told him he truth, he'd go ape sh** and kill Otto or hurt him in some way and that would just lead to more RICO or other charges. She's protecting him and the club. And no, I don't see her getting on her knees for Otto even for Jax. Maggie has talked about how part of Tara's journey this season is seeing how she reacts in her role as Queen when her family is threatened (Abel via Wendy) and the club is threatened (via Otto and RICO). This isn't about her not being truthful or pure or good because reallly, Tara was never really those things. She's always had a darker underbelly that was tamed by her intelligence and her life outside of Charming. Underneath the veneer of civility and grace, she's still the angry, damaged 16 year old who fell for the local Biker Prince and got herself marked as an Old Lady of an outlaw biker gang. In the end, she's going to use that keen mind of her's to rise up and protect what's her's. Not her mouth. JMHO
^^^ Agreed!

I also think that eventually J/T end up spilling their guts to one another. I was half surprised when Jax turned back that he asked Tara to the cabin, instead of telling her what had transpired that day. I think there is also a part of Tara that wants to prove to Jax she can be useful in this new role. It seemed to me, although I could be totally off point, that she wanted him to feel secure in her handling the situation. I don't think she wants to disappoint him. And really, Tara must have an endgame. She's too smart to not be trying to scheme their way out of this life. Maybe that means playing along for awhile.

And not to bring Gemma into the discussion (because I feel completely done with her at the moment), but I think some part of the reason she always had such issues with Tara's return is in how Tara acted: like she was better than Gemma and above the Club. Like Jax, Gemma also holds some of Tara's past, and the part of Tara drawing her to Jax and the outlaw lifestyle is the part Gemma remembers best. The Tara who returned to Charming educated and respectable is the woman she's tried to be, but Tara can't help the girl she used to be. I think what will be great about this season is watching how she'll marry these two parts of herself without losing one completely.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:12 PM
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Yeah Jax lying to her was wrong too but as I said in my first post,It's out of character for Tara since I saw her as the pure,honest character when I started to watch SOA.Heck she was the only reason I decided to buy SOA DVDs and watched all 4 seasons in the matter of 1 week.I still don't like the new Tara that much and I hope that will change in near future.I hope she doesn't lower herself to what Otto asked her.That would really destroy Jax.No matter what her reason is and how much Kurt claims that will be her way to protect the club but that's so low on Tara's part.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:12 PM
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Did anyone else catch Otto's "I remember you." to Tara?

I was actually hoping that would happen. So when he said it I got giddy. Any hint of J/T from when they were younger makes me happy.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:16 PM
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Did anyone else catch Otto's "I remember you." to Tara?
Yes!!!! Probably my favorite moment of this episode.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:18 PM
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Did anyone else catch Otto's "I remember you." to Tara?

I was actually hoping that would happen. So when he said it I got giddy. Any hint of J/T from when they were younger makes me happy.
omg I loved that too!! He remembers Tara from the ages of 16 to 19 when she and Jackson were just kids in love, wrapped up in their own world. He probably remembers the young, wild Tara, who let herself give in to those darker impulses with Jax and felt the family unity of the club. hence the whole knees thing. How I wish Sutter would give us some backstory on their youth together!
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:32 PM
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SCARLETT, you're right if she told Jax , he would lose his mind , and have Otto killed an push the Rico @@@@ exactly where they don't want it to go, now that i'm thinking about it a little more i think Tara didn't tell him the truth to buy sometime to come up with a PLAN B - When is Juice going to wake up about Clay
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