Couples - Jane & Rafael (Jane the Virgin) #28- "Maybe he is your destiny."- Xio - Page 18

all2him1 · 11-18-2017, 09:20 PM

^^ lol You would think that so many murders would be bad for business.

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There is a scene, towards the end of epr 8, where Rafael states that he understands that she's not in the right head space and then its cut off. But I'm pretty much guessing that the ball will be in Jane's court - so if she wants something to happen - it will be down to her or maybe the both of them.

Don't be too disheartened - remember there is a scen at the start of ep 8 where young Jane watches are telanovela, and wonders if she'll ever have such an incredible kiss. And then they cut to the kiss - so, its fair to say its a pretty great kiss.
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Overall, I liked this episode. I'm not sure if it was on purpose - or the show simply forgot their own magical realism signatures - but even though Jane thinks she fell for Adam, her heart still didn't glow for him. Given the emphasis they put on 'magical realism' in this episode, I'm choosing to believe that it was intentional.

I thought the moments between Jane and Rafael were very touching and they're definately leading to them getting back together - I wish they'd just get on with it!

I wasn't even really put off by the Michael moments because they felt genuine but his stupid expressions still bug me. And, while I really didn't like Fabian before - in this episode - and it may be because Jane seemed almost repulsed by him - but in this episode, I actually found him amusing. He just seemed to work better to me.

Ro's storyline was - meh. Again, this all feels like stuff they should have already talked through.

As for Jane's break-up with Adam, in a weird way, I actually like the way it was handled. I like that the decision wasn't Jane's because its not reality for every guy to be obsessed with Jane and drop everything for her. On the whole Adam storyline was very anti-climatic because they've tried to make it mean a lot in a short space of time without having Adam really earn Jane's love or the love of the audience for that matter. It served its purpose in allowing Jane to fully realise she has truly moved on and is ready for love again but the execution was rather sloppy. It was more flash - with the 'is this fate?' cliffhanger of last season and him having his own narrator - and very little substance/ evidence of him proving to be a viable, long term love interest or character. He only came out as bi last week! And this week - bye, bye, Adam! It's just been rather rushed - not that I wanted it longer - and somewhat half-hearted. It's as if everybody has just been waiting for this plot line to end so the real season 4 story can begin. On a side note - at least he thought far enough ahead not to go to her party and ruin her pictures - if you're going to end it with someone, there's no need to ruin what should be a happy event when they look back at it.

Oh, before I forget - bye, bye Aneska! I will mourn her for exactly the length of time it takes me to type this. (No - I can't lie - I was over death before it even happened! Mostly because I wished for it.) On another side note - I understand the photo of Scott and the candle but WTF was that creepy doll about?! (Also, Jane's lipstick at the party - not her colour! I would normally never comment about something like that but it really bugged me for some reason. ) If the Marbella stays open after this, (which it will) then everyone should be hiring their PR firm! Any guesses to the killer? Anyone care? i would say Magda but that seems too obvious. So it must be connected to Rose somehow.

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innocent_chick · 11-19-2017, 04:25 AM

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Instead of a kid's hotel, Marbella should just be a spooky hotel. Seriously, murder after murder. Why would anyone in their right mind stay in a hotel like that?

I did not like Jane/Adam's ending at all. It just ruined everything for me. I was so ready for Jane and Rafael and now I am not. I don't exactly want Jane to chase Rafael right now because she would seem desperate for a relationship. You can't get over heartbreak that fast. And I certainly don't want Rafael to chase her. After all this time I think Jane should see on her own that she loves him and he is great. And if she can't see it on her own then she is not ready for him.

i do wonder how they continue to get business but i guess it's somewhere thats important to the story so they've kept it around and in existence.

I agree with what you're saying about Jane. Seems like she would need time and i would love a gradual realization. This show loves to complicate things to keep it interesting though so i'm not quite sure what to expect

venezia57 · 11-19-2017, 09:08 AM

I thought this past episode was kind of "myeh". But I loved the Isabel Allende scene in the beginning, and it was impressive that they got her to appear since she's such a prestigious writer. I love the scenes with Raf and Jane and the writers have deliberately made them have more depth, realness and warmth together than any of her other relationships, including Michael. That scene where he jokes about Jane using guilt with scare tactics--he knows her SO well. And when he said they were "in a groove" and flashed her that blinding smile---swoon! I don't recall Michael ever teasing Jane about her flaws the way Raf does. Raf loves her, despite and because of, her flaws. But it is frustrating to watch Raf always being in second or third place. The book is about her and Michael, so of course, she would dedicate it to him, but Raf gets put in the back with the acknowledgements? That scene was beautiful though, I admit. When Jane made the comment about her heart being broken by Adam, I think she said it was the second time after Michael. Does she not remember falling down with grief when she and Raf broke up? He broke her heart big time. I know this is all a deliberate downplay of their relationship so they can build it up again, and she can CHOOSE Raf, who has been the one all along. But it's frustrating to watch until then.

The relationship with Adam didn't seem all that rushed to me, especially since I wanted him off my screen, pronto! Adam is a glib, facile kid. He's not mature. I didn't find it hard to swallow that he'd suddenly decided to choose LA over Jane. That's how you are when you're young. And that has been the message about Adam from the get-go. He's too young to settled down and is not prepared to be in Jane's life in any real way.

Coco_Cat · 11-19-2017, 01:56 PM

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I thought this past episode was kind of "myeh". But I loved the Isabel Allende scene in the beginning, and it was impressive that they got her to appear since she's such a prestigious writer. I love the scenes with Raf and Jane and the writers have deliberately made them have more depth, realness and warmth together than any of her other relationships, including Michael. That scene where he jokes about Jane using guilt with scare tactics--he knows her SO well. And when he said they were "in a groove" and flashed her that blinding smile---swoon! I don't recall Michael ever teasing Jane about her flaws the way Raf does. Raf loves her, despite and because of, her flaws. But it is frustrating to watch Raf always being in second or third place. The book is about her and Michael, so of course, she would dedicate it to him, but Raf gets put in the back with the acknowledgements? That scene was beautiful though, I admit. When Jane made the comment about her heart being broken by Adam, I think she said it was the second time after Michael. Does she not remember falling down with grief when she and Raf broke up? He broke her heart big time. I know this is all a deliberate downplay of their relationship so they can build it up again, and she can CHOOSE Raf, who has been the one all along. But it's frustrating to watch until then.

The relationship with Adam didn't seem all that rushed to me, especially since I wanted him off my screen, pronto! Adam is a glib, facile kid. He's not mature. I didn't find it hard to swallow that he'd suddenly decided to choose LA over Jane. That's how you are when you're young. And that has been the message about Adam from the get-go. He's too young to settled down and is not prepared to be in Jane's life in any real way.

Jane does and has acknowledged that Rafael broke her heart back then. She even said so then. What she actually said in this episode was that she didn't think after Michael died she could be heart broken again because she didn't think she could love like that again and Adam hurting her has, at the very least made her realise that she can and probably will fall deeply in love again. (And we all know she will with Raf.)

I love where Jane and Rafael are in ther relationship. It is like best friends who have a child together and in some ways I think that can lead to a stronger, intimate relationship. I never felt Jane and Michael had that. They were never really 'friends' - it also doesn't help that so much of their relationship was before the story began. (ANd the border line stalkerish flashbacks did nothing to strengthen their story.) Michael was the safe one - yes, I acknowledge that that was sold as a positive thing because its what Jane wanted, its what she chose after living a life with a lot of uncertainty. She'd already put all her eggs in the Rafael basket and had it toppled over, she wasn't going to risk it again. But, in so many ways it felt as though their relationship was never fully balanced - one always had more power. It was either Michael never wanting to upset Jane - either when he was trying to win her back or after they were married - or Jane was overcompensating because she felt guilty for dumping him.They never seemed comfortable enough to have a real argument. They had ONE the episode before their wedding, which was really just a cheap way of trying to get around all the issues of them rushing the wedding. So much rang false to me - it was always way over the top and cheesy. I guess it was meant to be - to perhaps high-light how niave Jane's ideas of love and marriage were. Since Michael was killed off, Jane has become a much more appealing and more rounding character, with flaws that are actually addressed and not brushed over. And, its similar for Rafael. I love that they aren't afraid to call each other out on their c**p and help each other grow. If Jane and Michael were still married - she wouldn't have grown or changed at all - in fact, I seriously doubt she would be a published author.

perfangel5655 · 11-19-2017, 03:51 PM

Agree with every word. I love Jane and Rafael. I love their disagreements. Their fights help them grow. I love how honest they are in their fights.

With Michael, Jane wouldn't have changed because Michael didn't let her change. Michael was all about doing everything Jane's way. Even when she was conflicted about something he would only give her what would Jane do advice. His death was the best thing that happened to her character. Thank god for that since that is the reason why he was killed off.

Muffy_Simba · 11-19-2017, 04:48 PM

I still haven't seen the episode yet but it's crazy how some still think Michael faked his death and last week's episode some how means he will return.

perfangel5655 · 11-19-2017, 05:27 PM

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I still haven't seen the episode yet but it's crazy how some still think Michael faked his death and last week's episode some how means he will return.

those are my favorite comments.

Muffy_Simba · 11-19-2017, 05:50 PM

perfangel5655 · 11-19-2017, 06:03 PM

I also can't believe some people still think there is a chance Jane and Rafael are not endgame. They really thought Adam had a shot?

I don't know if it has been mentioned before but I thought it was cool that Jane's book started with Michael but ended with Rafael. It mirrors her life.

Lethally Floral · 11-19-2017, 09:38 PM

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I still haven't seen the episode yet but it's crazy how some still think Michael faked his death and last week's episode some how means he will return.

If he's going to return, it'd be at the end of this season. And if Raf and Jane are together. I mean that would be the twist; although I don't see how Jane would be okay with him faking his death. (Although she forgave him for everything else so....)

That said, if they were bringing him back, I'd think they'd find a way to use Brett more often in flashbacks or fantasies instead of using previously filmed bits like they did in this ep.

Muffy_Simba · 11-19-2017, 11:24 PM

It's impossible for him to return, though. He can only return in new flashbacks or fantasy scenes but he cannot return alive. He's buried and there was an autopsy. We know his cause of death. He's dead for real. Everything the series has shown us proves that. It's been 4 years in the series world. If we see Brett again it will be in new flashback scenes. We may not like everything Jennie does (that's with any show) but she plans out many storylines. She would have kept them married (which would have changed the entire show) before she faked his death.

perfangel5655 · 11-20-2017, 06:04 AM

I would love for him to come back, but it isn't going to happen

wanderer78 · 11-20-2017, 07:01 AM

You want Michael back?

all2him1 · 11-20-2017, 08:18 AM

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You want Michael back?

I have had too much time on my hands and watched a few episodes from Season 3.

2 things I noticed, was there was one episode where Jane tells Mateo to use his words. It's a phrase that the narrator tells Jane in the last episode at the bookstore. Not that there weren't already strong hints that it's Mateo any way, but I found that interesting.

Also, there was a scene in the second episode of last season where J/R are hashing out their new dynamic and the song the Pre-school teacher sings is 'we're better together.' I could be reading into it too much, but that's what Raf told Jane the 1st season. Of course, this was when she was married to Michael.

I don't see how anyone could think Adam was going to wind up with Jane when he really never seemed like a viable option for Jane. Plus the signs have been there that Jane is going to wind up with Rafael since the first season and even when she was married they were still in each other's orbits, and still had their moments. Adam was an obstacle for Jane and Raf's endgame. I hope they don't introduce another love interest for her from here and just let J/R happen.

innocent_chick · 11-20-2017, 08:31 AM

Good observations!

I think they introduced Adam (and did a slight retcon) as they needed a weighty romantic interest who could bring more. There was no way some random guy could become a viable love interest or compare to Rafael. They also probably wanted us to be sure that Jane could love again (and not just 'rebound' to Rafael) so i think the purpose of the character was for Jane to grow as well as be an obstacle in the path to Jane/Rafael.

it seems obvious to me where this is headed - at this stage it's just a matter of when it will happen, how..and if there are more obstacles coming

I keep introducing more friends to JtV - need to spread the addiction

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