Couples - Jack/Elizabeth (POTC) #2: Their chemistry is undeniable, savvy? - Page 3

PiCkLeS4dAwSoN · 07-07-2006, 07:29 PM

Oh, for another reason?

**autumn_hope** · 07-07-2006, 07:32 PM

The luckiest tree in the world

**Rainstorm Jenny** · 07-07-2006, 07:39 PM

You guys should check out this pretty cool video of "Will/Elizabeth/Jack" to the song "El Tango de Roxanne" from Moulin Rouge on youtube. (Sorry Anji, that youtube doesnt work for you)

Tango

PiCkLeS4dAwSoN · 07-07-2006, 07:41 PM

Awwww, I was so ready to click it too!

I have been trying to find POTC vids everywhere....no luck yet. But, I'd love some J/E and W/E...or just general POTC vids.

**autumn_hope** · 07-07-2006, 07:42 PM

I'll be sure to check out that vid tomorrow! But for now

I'm off to bed.

Night everyone!

PiCkLeS4dAwSoN · 07-07-2006, 07:46 PM

Have sweet Rum Runner dreams, Rae!

**Rainstorm Jenny** · 07-07-2006, 07:48 PM

I know Im sorry, Anji. I wish you could check out the video as well. I feel kinda bad.

Angela12 · 07-07-2006, 07:49 PM

Hey everyone!

I love love love this pairing. And how exciting to open up this thread and see my own banners in the first post!

Here's my extremely lengthy, spoiler-laden analysis of all the Jack/Elizabeth bits in DMC:

Spoiler:

It seems obvious to me that Elizabeth does indeed have some feelings for Jack that extend beyond a basic crush or simple physical attraction. At the beginning of the film, I thought it was very interesting how even as she is discussing her marriage with Will when she is in prison, her thoughts are on Jack, too. She tells Will, "I have faith in you. Both of you." (Paraphrasing, sorry.) It's as if Jack is this unspoken presence that is always factoring into things, even into Will and Elizabeth's relationship.

There were also all the scenes in which other people notice Elizabeth's feelings for Jack. Her father mentions something about him and Elizabeth defends him, saying he is a better man than people think he is, and of course there is Norrington's comment that he would have given anything to have her look like that -- so wistful and dreamy -- when she thought about him. As with the compass and how it keeps pointing to Jack when she's holding it, Elizabeth's reaction to that comment is, in my opinion, a case of "the lady doth protest too much." She plays stupid with Norrington, but the comment obviously ruffles her feathers, and if she did not truly have some feelings for Jack, I doubt she would be so upset that it kept pointing to him. She could've merely said, "Oh, this thing is rubbish," and shrugged it off, but the way she reacted told me that there was truth in it and that she is struggling very much to accept that fact.

And oh, the flirting!! I absolutely loved their first scene of reuniting. "I'm looking for the man I love." Then Jack says, "I'm deeply flattered, sir, but my only love is the sea." :rotflol: And then the expression on his face! Hilarious. Definitely one of my favorite lines of the film. Then at one point as he is explaining the chest and Davy Jones to her, she looks at him and says, "Oh, Jack," so wistfully -- with true affection, I would say.

And you have to love the part where he places the compass in her hands and holds his hands around hers. The chemistry there between them is just remarkable, IMO. (That whole scene was just fantastic. "Hide the rum!" and "I happen to have no dress in my cabin..."

)

If that wasn't great enough, then we got the mega-hot "proposal" scene. That scene was honestly one of the hottest, most sexually charged and innuendo-laden scenes I've ever witnessed in a movie. Elizabeth saying she is "so ready to be married" is a very thinly vieled way of saying she is so ready to have sex. Jack, understanding that, of course took advantage. The great thing about this scene is that while the actual kiss at the end can be dismissed as the necessary means to an end, there is no hidden motive behind Elizabeth's very, very sexy flirtation (seduction, even) of Jack in that scene. With all the talk of "wanting it" and "tasting it" -- I mean, Oh. My. GOD.

It could hardly be more sexual. Then the "almost" kiss -- so, so, close... I honestly saw disappointment on Elizabeth's face when they did not kiss. She wants him, and she wants him bad. I don't think it was in the same scene at this, but there was the earlier line where she had said that Will taught her how to handle a sword.

I couldn't believe that more people in my theatre didn't laugh at that! That innuendo between them was absolutely overflowing in every scene. You also got a nice phallic illusion of Jack standing directly behind a canon in the "proposal" scene, as they talk about the functionality of his "equipment" (the compass) and then have that oh-so-sexy, lips-almost-touching near-kiss. WOW. Hands down one of the greatest scenes of any movie ever.

Of course, it all culminates in THE KISS. Wow.

It was definitely passionate. Poor Elizabeth seemed so torn about doing what she did -- not the kiss, but the chaining him up. After she got done telling him it was the only way, they very nearly kissed again, even after she had him chained to the mast. There was just so much emotion and passion there! And obviously her saying "I'm not sorry" isn't true. She was nearly in tears, and her expressions and reactions throughout the remainder of the film clearly show how deeply upset she was to have thought she had sent him to his death. I love how in the end when Tia Dalma asks them if they'll do anything and go anywhere to save Jack, she (and Will even), seem primarily interested in her reaction. And you can just see on her face that she would do anything, anything to save him. All the others say "Aye" and she just looks up so sad, so shaken, and yet so defiant, and says, "Yes."

Beautiful.

After seeing this film, I think there is a rather legitimate argument that can be made that Elizabeth loves Jack. Yes, she is devoted and loyal and indebted to Will and I do believe she loves him too, but it's in a much different way. I'm not sure why the compass kept pointing to Jack, but I do think he is possibly her heart's true desire. *sigh* If only the last film would put them together as a couple, as they should be!

Interesting that Jack is shown as not sure of what he wants throughout the film. Why shouldn't Jack be sure of what he wants? The sea, right? That's his one love. We've never seen Jack really be conflicted about his #1 priority before. Perhaps the confusion is coming in in the form of his feelings for Elizabeth. Is it possible that Jack could actually be considering sacrificing a bit of his freedom and total independence by allowing himself to love one woman? At the very least that theory seems to have presented itself as a possibility in this film. In Tia Dalma's shack, they are told that the one thing that befuddles and confuses and obsesses men more than anything is falling in love with a woman. And Jack and his lack of knowing what he wants is highly interesting in light of that. Why else would he be confused? Also interesting that the second Will mentions that Elizabeth is in danger, Jack stops in his tracks and seems to reconsider his course of action (on the cannibal's island.) I think the feelings between Jack and Elizabeth for each other very clearly extend both ways, are deeper than some people would like to admit, and were really a huge part of this film. Jack is better about hiding his emotions than Elizabeth, but I think she is special to him and different to him than any other woman he's been aquainted with.

Suffice to say, I love love loved this movie. There's a LOT of unresolved feelings between Jack and Elizabeth right now, and I'm really hoping they'll address that in the third movie and not just gloss it over. There was far too much set-up of romantic feelings (dare I say the beginnings of love) between them in this movie for there not to be some pretty significant resolution of that in PotC3. If I didn't know better, and if this weren't Disney, I'd honestly think that this series was going to end with Elizabeth realizing that Jack and everything he represents truly is her heart's greatest desire, and sail of into the sunset with him. *sigh* The foundation has been laid, and it could actually truly work as a conclusion to the trilogy at this point. I honestly doubt that will happen, but hey, a girl can dream, right?

Also, someone on another board mentioned that as Jack is rowing away from the Black Pearl and we get Elizabeth's reaction to seeing that and her saying "Coward," it cuts to him in the rowboat. (It's very interesting the order in which scenes are cut; I think we went dileberatley from Elizabeth's reaction to Jack's reaction and him looking at the compass -- it could have just as easily been Gibbs or Will or whomever seeing him leaving and then the cut to Jack and the compass, but it wasn't, it was Elizabeth.) He looks at his compass and it is pointing back towards the ship. And I think it's a strong possibility that it was pointing back towards her -- indeed, when he gets back on the ship, she's the one he goes to, not anyone else. (LOVED her clinging to his leg like that, btw.) It's as if he finally realized in that moment of crisis what he really does want -- and it's not the Black Pearl ("it's just a ship," he said) or even his loyal crew, because he was willing enough to leave them behind. It's Elizabeth. *sigh*

I told you it was long!

Now those of you that haven't seen it yet need to go immediately so you can come back here and discuss!!

I've got a fic brewing in my head; I'll let y'all know when something results from that.

PiCkLeS4dAwSoN · 07-07-2006, 07:54 PM

I loved your post!

Spoiler:

I did catch all the comments from everyone mentioning her having possible feelings for him throughout the movie. And, I really loved not seeing once what the compass pointed to while he was holding it.....something to ponder. And, yes, I adored her holding onto his ankle....and her reaction just before that when she saw he had come back. And, that look of disappointment after he didn't kiss her the first time, very noticable....even moreso, how she tried to shuff it off like it meant nothing.

Do you happen to remember the "persuade me" quote?

Awww, it's okay, Jen.

Angela12 · 07-07-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PiCkLeS4dAwSoN

I loved your post!

Thanks!

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Do you happen to remember the "persuade me" quote?

I don't.

But I plan on seeing the movie again, anyway.

PiCkLeS4dAwSoN · 07-07-2006, 07:59 PM

I saw it twice, and have most of it memorized.....but before I add it to my sig, I want to make sure it's exactly right.

**Rainstorm Jenny** · 07-07-2006, 08:12 PM

Angela12- Wow what a great post! I seriously cant wait to see it.

Niblet · 07-07-2006, 08:14 PM

Angela12, HOLY CRAP! You totally summed up every feeling I had about this movie and their relationship. I am definitely going to print that out and try to convince a few people.

And I am eagerly awaiting your fic

Please keep us posted.

PiCkLeS4dAwSoN · 07-07-2006, 08:17 PM

Jen, when are you going to be seeing it?

Angela12 · 07-07-2006, 08:32 PM

Aww, you guys!!

I will definitely start working on a fic tomorrow! This is one that I wrote a long time ago after CotBP came out, and I'm a bit embarrassed to post it because in retrospect I think some of the descriptions are over-the-top, cheesy, romance-novel-esque and not at all how I would write now, but if you're bored you can check it out. (Just don't judge me too harshly on it; I'm a much better writer than that now! Three years -- two of those spent in college -- is a lot of experience!) I always meant to finish it but I never did.

I promise I'll write a more legitimate fic soon, though.

And it'll be much, much better and way less bodice-ripping in terms of cliche than that one.