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Old 01-27-2018, 12:41 PM
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I hated what Mark Schwahn did with Dan. Having him kill Keith destroyed things forever. Worst off, they waited until AFTER he killed Keith to finally reunite Dan and Karen (thus dooming the relationship).


Honestly, this show became such an awful joke after Season 2. I remember in the cast commentary for the Season 1 finale on the DVD, they all talked about wanting to see Dan and Karen finally get back together.
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I am not sure if I ship them 100 percent, but they were intriguing.
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Old 01-29-2018, 03:18 AM
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Mark definitely made a lot of mistakes storyline wise and having Dan kill Keith was one of the biggest imo.

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I am not sure if I ship them 100 percent, but they were intriguing.
Yeah same here, and they did have great chemistry too.
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I loved their chemistry and shipped them.
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Old 01-29-2018, 10:46 PM
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It sucks that the writers didn't play on their chemistry more, at least outside season 4.
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I do like these two. He did a lot in season 4 for her. It's too bad he called Keith, but he started to redeem himself.
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Old 02-04-2018, 09:26 PM
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I wish that stuff happened in different circumstances really.
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Old 07-01-2018, 06:24 AM
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I hated what Mark Schwahn did with Dan. Having him kill Keith destroyed things forever. Worst off, they waited until AFTER he killed Keith to finally reunite Dan and Karen (thus dooming the relationship).
I didn't get the logic behind having Dan murder Keith either and I doubt I ever will tbh.
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I'm surprised Paul Johansson stuck around for that, to be honest. Turning him into a murderer was basically the beginning of the end.


It definitely destroyed any hope of him and Karen getting back together. The cast during Season 1 had all said they wanted to see Dan & Karen together at some point


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I do like these two. He did a lot in season 4 for her. It's too bad he called Keith, but he started to redeem himself.

Mark Schwahn did many things wrong in this show, and this was one of them.


Dan already did something amazing in Season 1 when he saved Keith and Lucas from the car crash. Karen acknowledged that. Yet they turned him into J.R. Ewing from Season 2 onwards and had him do/say evil things so that the whole cast would hate him
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I'm surprised Paul Johansson stuck around for that, to be honest. Turning him into a murderer was basically the beginning of the end.
Me too, especially since they didn't really know what to do with him in seasons 5 and 6 especially.

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It definitely destroyed any hope of him and Karen getting back together. The cast during Season 1 had all said they wanted to see Dan & Karen together at some point
They said that on the season 1 commentary right?

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Mark Schwahn did many things wrong in this show, and this was one of them.
With Mark, it's hard to find something he did right

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Dan already did something amazing in Season 1 when he saved Keith and Lucas from the car crash. Karen acknowledged that. Yet they turned him into J.R. Ewing from Season 2 onwards and had him do/say evil things so that the whole cast would hate him
I always hated how cartoonish Dan felt in S2 and it was one of my biggest dislikes of S2 as an whole for me.

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They said that on the season 1 commentary right?
Yes, it was the Season 1 finale commentary. Chad, Sophia, Joy, James and Hilarie did one together and so did Paul, Moira, The younger cast kept giggling when the Deb/Keith sex scene happened and they said they hoped Dan and Karen would get together in either Season 2 or beyond that.

If only that had happened

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I always hated how cartoonish Dan felt in S2 and it was one of my biggest dislikes of S2 as an whole for me.
Yes. He is just hell-bent on revenge when he wakes up in S2 - first against Deb (understandably), then against Lucas... Speaking of which, I hated that Lucas and Andy teamed up against Dan

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It really was It felt like that they switched personalities from each character without taking into account that if Dan and Karen had stayed together, the way that characters were in the Pilot would be different.
Absolutely agree. Dan had always said in rare emotional moments to Deb that he married her for the money, whereas he truly regretted leaving Karen because he loved her for HER.
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Yes, it was the Season 1 finale commentary. Chad, Sophia, Joy, James and Hilarie did one together and so did Paul, Moira, The younger cast kept giggling when the Deb/Keith sex scene happened and they said they hoped Dan and Karen would get together in either Season 2 or beyond that.

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Yes. He is just hell-bent on revenge when he wakes up in S2 - first against Deb (understandably), then against Lucas... Speaking of which, I hated that Lucas and Andy teamed up against Dan
Paul did the best job he did with the material, but material was serious awful for Dan. Seeing Lucas play detective sucked big time imo and ruined any potential Lucas/Dan had that season.

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Absolutely agree. Dan had always said in rare emotional moments to Deb that he married her for the money, whereas he truly regretted leaving Karen because he loved her for HER.
Think it's pretty obvious that either Dan and Deb truly loved each other and only stayed together for as long as they did because of Nathan.
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Paul did the best job he did with the material, but material was serious awful for Dan. Seeing Lucas play detective sucked big time imo and ruined any potential Lucas/Dan had that season.
They tried too hard to turn Dan into JR Ewing from Dallas. It backfired terribly, mostly because OTH was a totally different show and Dallas was a different era.

Plus, JR would never have shot his own brother. He had huge fall-outs with Bobby, but never serious enough to consider hurting him.

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Yes, and it's definitely talked about in the Season 1 finale. Dan admits to Deb that Karen was " a girl I loved very much", and he would have catered his career around their relationship... But then he found out Deb was pregnant and it made him rethink the whole thing. He suddenly became power-hungry.
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They tried too hard to turn Dan into JR Ewing from Dallas. It backfired terribly, mostly because OTH was a totally different show and Dallas was a different era.

Plus, JR would never have shot his own brother. He had huge fall-outs with Bobby, but never serious enough to consider hurting him.
Never watched that show, but they definitely tried to turned Dan into something he wasn't.

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Yes, and it's definitely talked about in the Season 1 finale. Dan admits to Deb that Karen was " a girl I loved very much", and he would have catered his career around their relationship... But then he found out Deb was pregnant and it made him rethink the whole thing. He suddenly became power-hungry.
He definitely would have done that for Karen
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