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daggerrose 10-12-2018 05:42 AM

Aww yeah. 100 episodes would have been so cool. Maybe it was a quality over quantity thing? Putting more money, etc, into episodes therefore having fewer of them?

I'm Brian Kinney, FFS! 10-12-2018 07:05 AM

Maybe so. And I'm definitely glad it was shorter with AMAZING episodes (seriously, I don't even want to skip any of them, which is UNHEARD OF for a whole series, with me) than longer with some blahhh stuff thrown in.

As far as season 2, what do you guys think about the whole Michael's dad being Devina Devore thing? I was rewatching that episode last night, and it's pretty f:censored:ing heartbreaking. :cry: I love that Debbie wanted Michael to have a hero, but wow, I never put together that he basically took his name from this guy who wasn't even really his dad. I wonder what name she would've picked otherwise.

What do you guys think about his reaction to realizing he was Michael's father? I feel like he just kind of dismissed it. I get that he wanted to honor Debbie's story, but once it was all out in the open he still didn't seem to care or want to get to know him or anything.

daggerrose 10-13-2018 07:31 AM

It's a weird thing, how it went down. But I do understand it. Debbie was in a tough spot and she did what she thought was right for her kid. I did wonder though who the actual guy was supposed to be, the solider and if he had family and if that would ever cause any complications?

Also, about Michael's father, Danny or Devina or whatever--I guess he was honouring Debbie's story and I feel like he and Michael parted ways with the mutual decision not to pursue anything any further. They both acknowledged it, they both knew and and they both decided to go on the way they were before.

It must be so weird and trippy as Michael to know all of this now, essentially that your life was a lie and just have to move on.

fmaldy24 11-03-2018 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by daggerrose (Post 95362874)
It's a weird thing, how it went down. But I do understand it. Debbie was in a tough spot and she did what she thought was right for her kid. I did wonder though who the actual guy was supposed to be, the solider and if he had family and if that would ever cause any complications?

Also, about Michael's father, Danny or Devina or whatever--I guess he was honouring Debbie's story and I feel like he and Michael parted ways with the mutual decision not to pursue anything any further. They both acknowledged it, they both knew and and they both decided to go on the way they were before.

It must be so weird and trippy as Michael to know all of this now, essentially that your life was a lie and just have to move on.

Yeah I think so too. They both knew the story but were trying to do the best thing for Debbie as well. Maybe it was just enough for Michael to know the truth :)

SojournHeart11 11-03-2018 07:29 AM

I think they should have told him. I know Debbie put together this well-crafted, respectful image of his dad as a fallen war hero, which is honorable, but it would have been much better for Michael to have known the true history. There's nothing wrong with what Danny really was. But I do understand Debbie's position, too. Because she was a single mom, the pressure was on to always have Michael's best interests in mind - first and foremost. Even if that mean maintaining this false image of his father. She wanted to give to Michael what most kids had: this sense of "normalcy" and familiarity of what some would deem as ideal.

fmaldy24 11-03-2018 07:35 AM

Yeah I think Michael should have always known the truth as well about who is family was. It's important to know your family for different reasons and especially since he knew who the real father was. There was nothing wrong with Danny/Davina but it was also a not great time in history I guess still for gay men/trans men/ etc. I mean Michael would have been born in 1970 to be 30 in 2000. Still a scary time for these people I think.

SojournHeart11 11-03-2018 07:38 AM

Yes and for these reasons, I believe Debbie had the very best intentions.

Giotto 11-03-2018 07:44 AM

And I'm sure she made up that story and never told him the truth, because she didn't want Michael to go and search for his biological dad, sine Denny/Devina didn't know he had a kid.

and even now knowing wjo his dad really is, he doesn't have any binding to him. :look: so nothing really changes.

I guess Debbie didn't want Danny to know, because it would have ment to bring him in a situation he didn't want to be in. not making the career he wanted and maybe even help out with money that he probably didn't have back then.. or she was scared that he wanted her to get rid of the kid :Shrug: you never know how people react

fmaldy24 11-03-2018 07:44 AM

Sometimes you make decisions that seem like they are for the best and then it's too late to go back and change things and you live that path. Debbie made that choice that seemed the best at the time maybe and followed that path from there on.

Giotto 11-03-2018 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by fmaldy24 (Post 95547500)
Sometimes you make decisions that seem like they are for the best and then it's too late to go back and change things and you live that path. Debbie made that choice that seemed the best at the time maybe and followed that path from there on.

true, and if you tell yourself a story long enough, you almost think it is the truth. I just wonder if Vic knew the truth

I'm Brian Kinney, FFS! 11-04-2018 07:28 AM

I do believe Debbie had really good intentions, for all parties involved. Just may not have ended up playing out to be in their best interests, ultimately. I have to wonder if Danny/Devina would have been happier never knowing. He does seem a little emotional when he first asks Debbie why she never told him.

Giotto 11-04-2018 04:18 PM

He sure was, but also he seemed a bit relieved when Michael didn't make demands

fmaldy24 11-04-2018 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Giotto (Post 95560394)
He sure was, but also he seemed a bit relieved when Michael didn't make demands

It would be hard after 30 years to form a relationship wouldn't it. He probably wanted to know Michael but they both would have found it difficult and then with Debbie as well.

I think Vic might have known - he would have been around when it happened but then again maybe Debbie told him the story as well about it being a solider as she didn't want to tell Vic the truth and be embarrassed around him as well.

daggerrose 11-05-2018 06:53 AM

I would bet that Vic knew. Because like you said, he was there. And he would know if Debbie had met a soldier or not. I'd think so, anyways.

fmaldy24 11-05-2018 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by daggerrose (Post 95565260)
I would bet that Vic knew. Because like you said, he was there. And he would know if Debbie had met a soldier or not. I'd think so, anyways.

You would think so but stuff can still be hidden from people even if people are in your family :)


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