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Old 10-27-2017, 03:54 PM
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Wouldn't it be fun to do a "live" watch, like we do with episodes?
That would be amazing
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It took five seasons for Brian to tell Justin he loved him verbally. Brian said it four times while hugging and kissing Justin in episode 510.

For the remainder of the season Brian never says it again. It was suggested but Brian never came out and said I love you at any time after episode 510.

But, why do you think the writers clammed him back up?

And, this brings me to his son Gus. Justin convinces Brian to admit to Gus that Brian loves him, essentially, before it's too late.

But, Brian never says it. There are two scenes where ILY would've been extremely appropriate and even desired, both in 513.

Brian's training Gus to be the ring bearer for Brian's wedding. Brian gives Gus a big hug and kiss. His mother Lindsay takes Gus away and Brian says, "Bye." REALLY??

Now, Gus and his Moms are moving to Toronto. It's the last time Brian'll see Gus for a while. It's the big good-bye scene. Brian's crying. And, Brian kisses him on the forehead and says, "Good-bye, Son."


So, what's this all about??

OH - and yet, he throws those words all over the place to Mikey!!!

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Beth, thank you so much for this wonderful insight

It's crazy that it took him 5 seasons to tell him that considering the love between them
Do you have any ideas why Brian never said it?
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Beth, thank you so much for this wonderful insight

It's crazy that it took him 5 seasons to tell him that considering the love between them
Do you have any ideas why Brian never said it?
It's really complicated. I want to magically blink the DVDs over to you so you can watch this show. You'd see what I'm talking about.

He never experienced love with his family, he adopted a credo later in life that he believes in f---ing, not love, romantic love is really a foreign concept to him, and most of all, it makes him vulnerable to admit his love.

Brian acts tough but he gets so deeply hurt. He knew pretty early on that Justin was able to pop his heart just like a balloon. So, for most of season one he railed against it and Justin took the fallout.

Season two he admitted to Debbie that he loved Justin. But he NEVER said it. Debbie said tell me I'm right and that you love this kid. He put his head down over his crossed arms and breathed out very loudly and very quickly. Like an intentional huff.

Debbie told him to tell Justin. He didn't. He told Justin that when he comes home he's doing exactly what he wants to be doing, "coming home to you." But what he DID do (this is ep 206) is that Justin laid out the rules and not only did Brian agree to them but he followed them to the letter. There was ONE exception. They had to be home by three but he was in jail all night b/c Michael was a smart a$$ when they got pulled over.

Deborah and I were debating when exactly B fell in love with J. I say it was love at first sight. But, he was completely confused. He didn't even recognize the feeling much less know how to process it. But, he sure didn't like it. He felt instant vulnerability. And, I think (JMO) he felt instant responsibility. He went into protection mode in 101 and it never stopped. Now, unfortunately, he also yelled at Justin a lot in season one. He was just so thrown for a loop.

Part of this railing is that he may have been madly in love but he was just about 30 (set in his ways) and he led a very solo lifestyle that was very promiscuous. As much as he loved Justin, Justin was cramping his style. And, it made him angry.

We watched for five seasons while Brian showed Justin in every way possible that he loved him. But, he still struggled right up until the bomb went off in 510. His heart and mind were fighting it because he was just so vulnerable.

By season five if Justin told Brian to bark like a dog he would have. He would've done ANYTHING for Justin. But, he couldn't say ILY and he couldn't commit to being a husband with kids.

There are so many more reasons he could never say ILY.

But, what I want to know is why did the writers allow him to say this four times in 510 then never say it again, not even to his son Gus.

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Old 11-07-2017, 11:06 AM
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It took five seasons for Brian to tell Justin he loved him verbally. Brian said it four times while hugging and kissing Justin in episode 510.

For the remainder of the season Brian never says it again. It was suggested but Brian never came out and said I love you at any time after episode 510.

But, why do you think the writers clammed him back up?

And, this brings me to his son Gus. Justin convinces Brian to admit to Gus that Brian loves him, essentially, before it's too late.

But, Brian never says it. There are two scenes where ILY would've been extremely appropriate and even desired, both in 513.

Brian's training Gus to be the ring bearer for Brian's wedding. Brian gives Gus a big hug and kiss. His mother Lindsay takes Gus away and Brian says, "Bye." REALLY??

Now, Gus and his Moms are moving to Toronto. It's the last time Brian'll see Gus for a while. It's the big good-bye scene. Brian's crying. And, Brian kisses him on the forehead and says, "Good-bye, Son."


So, what's this all about??

OH - and yet, he throws those words all over the place to Mikey
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Maybe because those words between Brian and Michael never were ment in a romantic way from Brian and so it doesn't bother him to tell them to Mikey... but that wouldn't explain the missing of telling them to Gus.. aalthough Iknow that some people , so for example my nephew and his wife, never tell their children ILY.. and since probably Brian never made the experiance with his parents it just doesn't come to his mind
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=Giotto;92017286]Maybe because those words between Brian and Michael never were ment in a romantic way from Brian and so it doesn't bother him to tell them to Mikey...
I thought that, too. But, Brian's got such an odd way about telling Michael sometimes, like, I think it's 309. B/J are back together and B & M are outside. Brian's talking about going to NYC. Michael says, take Justin with you.

Then Brian says, you didn't let me finish. No matter where I am or who I"m with I'll always love YOU.

So, who knows with those two?

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but that wouldn't explain the missing of telling them to Gus.. aalthough Iknow that some people , so for example my nephew and his wife, never tell their children ILY.. and since probably Brian never made the experiance with his parents it just doesn't come to his mind
Excellent point. Although, I thought they had cracked Brian open like a walnut by the end. He really always listens to Justin when it comes to Gus, and Justin told him in 512 to admit his love for Gus.

Also, I know people who never said it to their kids, either. But, Brian had grown so much and understood love. He also understood how hurtful it was not to get that love from his parents. So, I'd think he would just say it, yes? Well, apparently, no.

Thanks for trying to answer the riddle.
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i guess that riddle is one that can't be solved, because it is inconsequent in a way... you are right about Brian should say it to Gus because of what he experienced as a kid.. he knew how it felt not to hear it...
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i guess that riddle is one that can't be solved, because it is inconsequent in a way... you are right about Brian should say it to Gus because of what he experienced as a kid.. he knew how it felt not to hear it...
I was just so disappointed. After all that happened post 510 I thought we'd hear those words come out of his mouth to little Gus.
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I just looked up some character descriptions of Mr. Darcy. The similarities are amazing. Mind you Pride and Prejudice was published in 1813, 204 years ago. The novel took place in England so ignore the stuff about the English aristocracy and all that. Think blue collar Pittsburgh. LOL!!

AND, this is why we're so hung up on Brian...Facebook had over 400 groups containing the name "Mr. Darcy."

A simple random sample of the titles: "I Refuse to Settle For Anything Less Than Mr. Darcy," "I'm Not Looking for Mr. Right, I'm Looking for Mr. Darcy,"

Character Analyses:

Character Analysis Fitzwilliam Darcy. Darcy exhibits all the good and bad qualities of the ideal English aristocrat — snobbish and arrogant, he is also completely honest and sure of himself.

Fitzwilliam Darcy is a very wealthy man of England's upper crust. He is lord of Pemberley, an expensive estate located in the county of Derbyshire. He is fairly tall and handsome, but his demeanor is unfriendly, aloof, and unapproachable.

Mr. Darcy's flaws are best seen in the difficulty he has with relationships. Although he is loyal to those who are close to him, he doesn't seem to see the need to develop new friendships, particularly with those he feels are beneath him socially.

Darcy's protective nature keeps his sister from marrying a con artist Mr. Wickham.

Darcy is eventually revealed to be a conscientious landlord who is generous, kind and unselfish, a caring brother, a good friend - his impulsive interference between Jane and Bingley was motivated by genuine concern for his friend rather than malice - and a scrupulous and extremely honourable man who is protective of and SELF-SACRIFICING for those he cares about. Despite his pride, he is willing, to an extent, to admit wrongdoing.


Mr. Darcy speaking to Elizabeth who's just told him off: So this is your opinion of me. Thank you for explaining so fully. Perhaps these offences might have been overlooked had not your pride been hurt by my honesty...

Elizabeth continues to blast him.

Mr. Darcy: Forgive me, madam, for taking up so much of your time.

This is 204 years ago but I can still feel it. Darcy's CRUSHED. He just won't admit it. It's like when Justin leaves Brian. Brian's like "so this is your opinion of me. Forgive me for taking your time."

Brian and Darcy both bleed deeply. But they put on the facade.
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Would you believe that I've never read Pride and Prejudice...nor have I seen the film? (or Wuthering Heights) I started to read both, but just couldn't get into them.
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Would you believe that I've never read Pride and Prejudice...nor have I seen the film? (or Wuthering Heights) I started to read both, but just couldn't get into them.
you are my angel.. I started to feel bad that I don't have a clue about it.. this so sooo not my kind of thing to read or watch, and I never heard of the books or authors before reading shades of grey
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Would you believe that I've never read Pride and Prejudice...nor have I seen the film? (or Wuthering Heights) I started to read both, but just couldn't get into them.
You don't have to. You know fully who Mr. Darcy is.

Amazing that 204 years later and the women of this planet still go gaga over him, though, isn't it?

BUT, should you decide to, both versions I've seen are pretty good. Keira Knightley plays a great Elizabeth Bennett. (LOL - I didn't even think of the book. What times we're living in.)

Though Brian's Mr. Darcy (IMO), I never say Justin's Lizzy. Justin saw Brian for who he was immediately whereas Lizzy had poor opinions until she realized she was being prejudiced. HOWEVER, once Lizzy understood Darcy she fell in love and they went off into the sunset together unlike, well...you know.
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But you notice that it gets hard for us to discuss this with you
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But you notice that it gets hard for us to discuss this with you
LOL - point taken!!


So, moving right along to a topic that's quite the antithesis of ethereal love...body fluids/functions.


We've seen Brian's every body fluid and knew of every bodily function through suggestion, except snot - and I'm sure we got that, as well, but I just missed it. I really don't think Cowlip exposed any other character in that nature.


107 - Brian's hit by car and bleeds (edited to add that b/c I forgot about blood and Daggi reminded me.)

109, 122 - We see Brian's tears (edited to correct episode number. I originally typed 115 but it's 109.)

205 - Brian comes out of Michael's bathroom with a rolled up magazine (really could've done without that)

209 - Brian's f---ing Justin while on Viagra. He's pumping so hard that right before he speaks a HUGE wad of spit goes flying over Justin's head.

215 - Brian pees on Rage

310 - Justin spits Brian's spooge on Stockwell's face

409 - We hear Brian vomit

410 - Brian looks at his cum-filled condom

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LOL - point taken!!


So, moving right along to a topic that's quite the antithesis of ethereal love...body fluids/functions.


We've seen Brian's every body fluid and knew of every bodily function through suggestion, except snot - and I'm sure we got that, as well, but I just missed it. I really don't think Cowlip exposed any other character in that nature.


115, 122 - We see Brian's tears

205 - Brian comes out of Michael's bathroom with a rolled up magazine (really could've done without that)

209 - Brian's f---ing Justin while on Viagra. He's pumping so hard that right before he speaks a HUGE wad of spit goes flying over Justin's head.

215 - Brian pees on Rage

310 - Justin spits Brian's spooge on Stockwell's face

409 - We hear Brian vomit

410 - Brian looks at his cum-filled condom
wow, I never ever picked it apart that way.. but reading that, you are right.. did he bleed somewhere?
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