galela

and ... The Jacket ... *sighs* ...

mylu

the place i d/l my epi don't work .any other good it should be a bittorrent site.
If so please PM me .

dorksrock

The jacket

Okay now for B/J, I think we were pretty much expecting for Justin to finally confront Brian on how he felt. I'm watching the reunion from 308 right now and while Justin then accepted the way Brian is, he doesn't now. He's tired of it because the relationship isn't progressing as they get older. When Brian followed that Brandon guy into the backroom, the look Justin gave them couldn't have reminded me more of s1/s2 Justin. We always knew Justin was getting tired of Brian's ways but it seems weird to be really showing it lately and him talking about it. I'm all for Brian changing but look how long it took him to progress to where he is today: 4 seasons. We don't have 4 seasons anymore, we only have 7 episodes left. We know Brian can be that person Justin wants him to be, he even said himself in 220 it's not that he can't give Justin those things, he won't. After Justin told him about "being a real couple," Brian semi-ignored it because if he did that, it would make it seem as if the problem didn't exist. I'm confused on who to side with. I want to go with Justin because I want Brian to be this person for Justin but it'll take awhile, if he ever decides to become that. However, Justin seems to be giving him an ultimatum, be this person or it's over and I'm leaving. I am loving this angst though and next weeks ep looks good for B/J. As for Brandon, I love Brian but it's about time he didn't always get what he wanted. I know he's attracted to fresh meat but he has a f***ing hot blonde at home, why would he want it?

Emmett: I felt for him when Brian told him the truth about why hetero's like him. He needed to hear it but I didn't agree with the way Brian said. What can you do? That's Brian for you. I know I thought the Queer Eye storyline was cute at first but I'm beginning to get annoyed with how stereotypical it is.

Ted: I wasn't really paying attention the sex scene but afterwards I didn't see the transformation but I guess I see it now. I like confident Teddy (a confident Ted is a sexy one from the Scott/Ted thread) but this whole storyline with what's his name is just going to end up badly. I sort of wish Ted would have just told him off and let it be.

Michael/Ben/Hunter: I'm loving Ben as s5 grows. He let's Hunter go when Michael wants to hold him back. I was glad Michael gave him money too when he was leaving. I feel for him, I hate to see him being ostracized like that.

Mel/Linds: I am beyond glad they're getting along. Next weeks storyline for Linds is weird. What's up with her parents randomly asking this 30-something woman to move back in?

Deb: I'm happy she's back. Like Justin said, she is the diner. When she was complaining of a fever, I was wondering if she was going through menopause. Guess not.

galela

brandon is fugly. brandon is fugly. brandon is F*U*G*L*Y.

that is all.

mylu

I have seen it now.
I'm a big big b/j fan. And soon i will start to cry. Why didn't Brian say something, anything. I know that Brian is brian. But hey he loves Justin in his own way. Don't he get it that Justin is sliping away. Just like Hunter is doing from Mickey and Ben. But Justin is still there. Brian need to do something before that happends. I had a feeling that this would happend after the ending of 505 , but i'm hoping i'm wrong. I'm still is.

Gonne write more about the rest of the epi tomorrow. When i calm down. I'm really really sad right now.

galela

did we? i don't know. i really don't know what to think of this - change in character. is it in character, is it out of character. the thing is - they changed what justin wanted & what he didn't want so much throughout the seasons - it's not really possible to tell. maybe if that development had taken more time. with the 13 episodes left, everything has to feel rushed this season. there's just no way to wrap it all up for everyone & not rush things. maybe that's the problem i have with it.
i love the angst, tho. i really liked this episode. brian confronting emmett about why people like him - i loved that scene.
gale was just brilliant in the last scene. i love how they played it all off. it was just so heartbreaking to see how brian just *can't* act any differently. it's who he is & he's probably never gonna change. so justin either will be able to accept it or he'll have to let go. and brian knows. brian knows how close he is to leaving this time & he knows this time he's most likely never coming back. and we all know how much he loves him & wants him in his life & yet, he just c a n ' t change. it breaks my heart. my poor widdle brian.

hunter - another one to break my heart. this storyline is so dramatic & yet so real.

the rest - it's been a while since i've seen this episode - & that's all i seem to remember about it now ...

oh - brian of course. the brandon storyline. while i agree alyssa, that it's about time for brian to feel some rejection & not to be top-stud on liberty avenue - they could've at least chosen someone who's at least slightly hot. that brandon guy is just fugly. there's just *nothing* hot about this guy. i love how he's playing games with brian. when they stare in each other's eyes - i love how finally someone shows brian what it's like to be on the other side.

yet. brandon's fugly.

HamScout's Honor

i love that jacket of brian's. i don't think Brandon is all that cute either.

dorksrock

Okay maybe I just assumed that he was tired of his ways. I think I was basing my opinion off of s2/s3ish Justin. I think Justin did want to be a "real couple" with Brian is in character but the part that is OOC is him actually voicing his opinion to Brian. I think I have a problem with the 13 episode thing too. First they're couple-y and in the next ep, they have problems. The timing just doesn't flow right.

ITA on the Brandon thing. Brian is gorgeous, he exudes sex appeal. Brandon is just another average looking guy. I don't see how he could compete with Brian if he isn't up to Brian's standards. The whole Brandon storyline seems to be a sort of reality check because Brian is realizing he can't always be the It guy everyone wants to f***. That's not to say he can't try to stay on top, where he belongs.

galela

exactly. it's really like - one day he comes home & finds brian tricking & they seem to share this bonde - like - you haven't changed & i love you kinda thing. and two episodes later or one already, he's uttering these snarky & frustrated remarks. and we don't even know where this came from all of a sudden.
i still like the angst. it's just - sometimes it kinda gets old. we've seen this over & over again throughout all the seasons. and it doesn't really seem consequent, at least not to me. i don't see the breaking point where justin realizes - oh wait, this is not what i want.
all of a sudden he's turning into - not a jewish mother but michael. and not the good michael. the boring michael.

dorksrock

I see your point. I never thought about going back to that scene where Justin comes home from LA and smiles at Brian tricking. It doesn't seem to add up because Justin's opinions seem to have done a complete 360. As for the angst, yup, it's always about the same thing but let's see where it takes us this time.

Whiskey Girl

I finally seen it And I have to say that this season is getting better and better. I like it much more than s4. Oh, the angst kills me, but I love it so!!!!!! And I must warn that there is some bitching in here…So beware!!!!! (and do I need to warn you that it’s long ) I think it's the longest one yet...

Hunter: *dies* Each week I realize how much this kid has stolen my heart. I just can’t believe he left. Literally, I was crying. And Harris is just acting the **** out of all these dramatic scenes. What the hell is going to happen to him? He is seriously my major concern right now. Breaks my heart.

Rage and JT getting married: Stupid, stupid idea. With all this marriage stuff going on, I guess it makes sense that it would leak into the comic. But, Justin and Michael both know how Brian feels about all this. It was definitely not the right time. Marriage is being shoved down Brian’s throat in his real life and now in the comic book. Big mistake boys.

Debbie: So happy she is back!!! She really is the diner. That place would have gone down the crapper if she had stayed away any longer.

Emmett: I felt bad for him. Brian was just a plain ******* about the whole thing. No brownie points for him. I don’t know what he’s going to do now with the show. Is he going to risk getting fired? I can see that happening. But, I don’t see what the big deal is. Just because he isn’t giving off ‘sexual’ vibes on his show, doesn’t mean he’s not Emmett. This ‘non-sexual’ Emmett is still him even if it’s only a part of him. And it’s a news show. Is there really a need for him to be sexual? I don’t know.

Ted: I really like this aggressive Ted and was all for him getting revenge on Troy (I didn’t expect to see him again.) I felt so bad for Ted when that pity **** happened. So, I was all – Go Ted! – you show him. I am worried though about why he didn’t do it. Is it because he now thinks that he’ll have a shot with Troy or because he doesn’t want to stoop to Troy’s level? I really hope it’s the latter.

Michael and Ben: Again, Michael needs to learn when to shut up and listen to Ben. While I don’t think I could have just let Hunter leave like that, I think Ben is right about only pushing Hunter farther away. I just find the whole situation really complicated and have no idea what to do. But, Michael really needs to listen to Ben and think before he talks/takes action. And I felt horrible for the two of them at the end. (I am so loving Ben right now)

Baby Mama Non-Drama: I am so happy that they are all trying to get along. It’s obvious that there’s still bitter feelings among all parties, but at least they are trying. Michael inviting Mel to the house warming was a big step and I’m glad she showed up. I wasn’t sure how much more of their stupidity I could take.

Now for Brian, Justin, and the two of them. Get ready. *takes deep breath*

Brian: Finally getting a taste of his own medicine. It’s about time. I hate it. I love it. I hate seeing him like this, but it was bound to happen. Personally, I think he should just get over it. He’s too old for this ****. Yes. I said it!!!! *avoids flying objects* I’m not saying he should settle down or whatever, but big deal…He was rejected. That’s just me personally. Of course he can’t do this because he’s Brian ****ing Kinney. It’s the part of himself that he’s most proud of and to have someone come in and take it away…Of course he’s going to freak out. That’s who he is, we all know this, Brian admits it. But, it’s just so sad to see that even after the progress he’s made, this still affects him so much. He just can’t let go of it. He knows that he’s getting older and that he’s not going to be the hottest guy on Liberty Avenue forever. But, he can’t accept it. He won’t go down without a fight. Have to admire that, but it’s painful to watch.

Justin: Well, I didn’t spoil myself but it was kind of hard not to get an idea of the reaction of a lot of people concerning Justin (and I didn’t read anything here, so I have no idea if any of you think the same way – I’m just generalizing). Thoughts of him from season two and not being happy, doubting Brian’s love or whatever coming back. My sister even mentioned that it was just like the last time. But I think this a totally different situation here and completely justified. So, this is what I’m basing my thoughts about him on.

This time it’s NOT about him questioning Brian’s love for him – as it was before. Justin knows that Brian loves him and I can’t see him doubting it ever again. Now, it’s about getting what he wants or thinks he wants (something more – something a little more stable). He’s growing up and seeing people around him settling down, so it’s only natural for him to look at all that and have some part of him want it. He loves Brian and can say that he accepts him, but those feelings of wanting more are only natural. Looking at how much Brian has changed over the years (how many times have we seen Brian trick since the beginning of s4??? ), it’s not surprising that Justin would think that maybe *maybe* things would be different (even if only a little bit). The syphilis issue brought up those feelings of insecurity and the fear of what could have happened – what else Brian could have got. At the end of that episode, Rage’s face is covered in sores which shows that this is what Justin fears will happen to Brian if he doesn’t settle down – at least a little. The two of them have never had to deal with an STD before, so this is new territory for Justin. That was the start of it. Now, with Brian only being concerned in this new guy (which is obviously expected of him) it just makes it look like Brian’s not happy. Which looks to Justin like Brian’s not happy with them. Currently Brian’s not happy with who he is and that’s his only concern right now. I don’t think that Justin needs a declaration of love, but only some indication that Brian is happy with what they have. Some kind of acknowledgement. Yet, Brian chooses to ignore him.

The thing with Justin is, he always thought if he could just love Brian enough then they could be happy together. Now he’s starting to realize that it’s not enough. Brian is consumed with getting this new trick’s attention and nothing else matters. While I understand Brian’s fear of this new guy and what his presence means to someone like Brian – I also see Justin’s point. Brian’s never going to be happy, there’s always going to be something else. I think you brought up a very good point the other day Dine – sometimes love isn’t enough. Justin’s beginning to realize this.

Do I blame Justin? No. Is he a hypocrite? No. Am I just being overly defensive? Maybe

Brian/Justin: Here we go again with the lack of communication. Justin is trying to talk about it and get some perspective from Brian. And Brian chooses to ignore it. He knows that Justin’s not happy and has to have some idea that he’s going to leave (which I safely assume he will), yet he won’t even go there. He wants to ignore it. Inevitable break-up is in the works. (507 and I win the pool ) And I have to say that personally, my problem right now is with Brian. He is choosing to ignore Justin’s feelings and there is no acknowledgment on his part at all. Even the slightest attempt would be better than what he is doing, but he’s not willing to do that. That’s his problem. Because unlike the first time Justin left, Justin is actually trying to express his feelings to Brian. He’s making an attempt instead of not saying anything and running off. He’s owning up to his feelings but no one is listening.

Finally: WTF?!

New Trick: What’s his name? Did I miss it? Okay, umm – No - What’s so special about him? I can see Brian going after him because the guy was fresh meat. But, what is up with the guy passing Brian up for him? I just don’t see it. And maybe I’m biased or something, but I didn’t find him good looking at all. Am I the only one? This is my big question. I don’t get it. Couldn’t they have gotten someone better looking??? This is a very important role to cast for, essentially he’s the ‘new Brian Kinney’, right? I just don’t understand.

I know, it’s really long. And it’s probably confusing as hell, but I had to get it all out before I forgot anything. I’ve only seen it once, so who knows – I might think differently after the second time….

Whiskey Girl

Okay, I'm so glad that I'm not the only one that feels this way. It seems most of you do.

I'm not going to comment on what you guys wrote right now (god knows I wrote enough above). My mind is still spinning from my post But, I must say that I agree with the two of you - it is very rushed. There's not much we can do about that since there are only 13 episodes so I'm taking everything in stride and trying to make the best sense of it all as I can

I'm done for now.

galela

i'm with you on that. i just - like i said before - don't see *when & why* justin all of a sudden realizes that this is not what he wants, you know? it's just too rushed. he comes home & moves back in & the next minute he's pissed because brian doesn't change. it's just - why all of a sudden is it not enough? that's the problem i have with it.

i don't think he's choosing to ignore justin's feelings. it's who he is. and he can't change who he is. he wants & god knows he's tried. look at how far he's come. i don't think it's that he's not willing. he keeps saying it's not because he can't, it's because he won't. i say, he can't. maybe i'm putting too much of myself into it, but the way *i* see brian - deep down inside he wants all that he's never had. he's just not ready to open up. he's been burnt many times in his life, by the ones who were supposed to always love him, no matter what. and he can't or isn't ready for it yet. and justin is more or less giving him some kind of deadline. what the hell else is he supposed to do?
i'm a brian apologist, that's for sure.

Whiskey Girl

Yeah, it's very rushed. Which makes it hard to really feel where all this is coming from. I just try to read between the lines. There's just no time for Cowlip to do everything that they want to do.

I definately see your point and I agree that he wants everything he never had. I know that it's hard for him and I'm not blaming him for who he is. I made my post under the general impression that I've been getting in the fandom and that's - let's all blame Justin. I don't blame either of them, but I just wish that Brian would *try*. I hated the fact that he just downright ignored Justin at the end of the episode, but I hated it more because that's what is expected of him. I don't really know if that makes any sense. Basically, it's just that I personally wanted him to make some type of attempt.

galela

he didn't know what to do. that's why he "ignored" what he'd said. and you know, *trying* doesn't always happen on the outside. it's like me & this guy i used to be in love with. i wanted to ask him whether we had any chance & stuff, we'd been friends for ages but i just *couldn't*. my mind was going crazy with do-this-do-that's but i just *couldn't* bring myself to actually do or say something. i was in my way, constantly. if you're not that kind of person, then you won't understand. it's like me telling my mom & aunt that i just *can't* do something like this & they're "but you have to" and i'm all "but i CAN'T!!" and i do think that's exactly the person brian is.