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Old 02-24-2012, 10:01 PM
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Brian & Justin #162 - "I've just seen the face of god, his name is Brian Kinney."

Welcome to the 162nd Brian and Justin Appreciation Thread!







1) Because then he came along
2) The moment they saw each other there was sparks
3) 'No place special' Brian can change that
4) Because they were the first
5) Because their first kiss was hot!!
6) Because Justin can't help it he's only seventeen *lol*
7) Because Brian taught him the alphabet
8) Because he's going with him
9) Because Brian was sweet and gentle
10) Because no matter who he's with he'll always remember Brian as his first
11) Because that scene set the bar for the entire series!
12) Because you can never get enough!
13) Brian and Justin spankage in the first episode =P
14) Because he drove him to school
15) Because he was protective of him
16) Because Justin saw the face of God...and his name is Brian Kinney
17) Because Justin almost tired Brian out
18) Because Justin told Daphne they did it till six in the morning!
19) He was in another place, a beautiful place...Justin.
20) Because he didn't want Justin to know how old he was *lol*
21) Because Brian left a stranger in his loft to go after Justin... barefoot!!
22) The final moments of episode 2 *sobs*
23) Because he told Michael to leave Justin alone he's alright... in fact he's kinda sweet
24) Because he can have anyone he wants, but he wants Justin
25) What is that boy doing??? Let's hear it for the boy... Need we say more?
26) Cause Brian didn't waste any time in cutting in on Justin
27) Because there is neck lickage and lifting all in one scene!
28) Because he made it an early evening...with Justin.
29) Because Justin went to Brian when he was in trouble
30) The scene in Michaels bedroom... lets go straight to number one *thud*
31) Because Justin isn't just an ordinary stalker... he's the president of his fanclub!
32) Because Brian threw the trick out when he insulted Justin!
33) Because Brian lets him stay over
34) Because Brian has noticed his amazing feel for the human form
35) Because Justin drew Brian while he was asleep
36) Because Brian thinks Justin's drawing is a perfect likeness
37) Because Brian wanted to know who that other guy Justin drew was...
38) Because Debbie tells Jennifer she thinks Brian and Justin are evenly matched
39) Because even Jennifer knows they're hot together
40) Because Brian bought Justin's picture
41) Because Justin got his nipple peirced to impress Brian
42) Because Justin loves him more than anything else in his life and all he wants is to be with him.
43) Because it's Party time and he wants to dance with Jusin
44) Because he removes Emmett and pulls Justin towards him
45) Making out by the car, they are so caa.
46) Because he lets Justin stay with him
47) Because Brian thinks Justin is brave for standing up to his father
48) Because Justin sneaks into bed with Brian
49) Because Justin made jambalaya for Brian
50) Because Brian stands up for Justin 'thats not love, that's hate.'
51) Because Brian's got someone waiting for him
52) Because it's always better on the second day
53) Because Justin thinks Brian is a good dad
54) Because Brian helps Justin study for his SAT's
55) Because Brian went after Justin to NYC
56) Because Justin hoped that Brian would find him first
57) Because they were gonna straighten out Justin's life
58) Because the hotel sex was freaking HOT!
59) Because he was going to become a go go boy in chelsea.
60) Because Justin had a toothbrush at Brian's
61) Because Brian needed someone to help him clean up this mess
62) Because Justin didn't leave Brian like everyone else
62) Because Brian asked Justin to come over
63) Because ice cream kisses
64) Because Jusin wanted to help Brian and Michael be friends again
65) Because Justin is the missing link!
66) Because Justin was hanging out in Brian's loft
67) Because Jusin wanted Brian to come to Babylon
68) Because he knows Brian, he doesn't do dates
69) Because he wanted to help Brian when he was in trouble
70) Because he made Brian his grandmothers secret hangover remedy!
71) Because he made Kip drop the charges against Brian
72) Because Justin knows what he wants for his birthday
73) Because Justin promised Lindsay he'd look after Brian
74) Because Justin loves Gus
75) Because Justin isn't just anyone
76) Because Justin helped look after Gus
77) Because they're nuzzling in the diner!!
78) Because of Brian's expression when 'you're going out of state??!'
79) Because he gives a ****
80) Because Justin asks Brian's advice on the gay-straight alliance
81) Because Brian defends Justin from Chris Hobbs
82) Because going shotgun isn't necessarily bad
83) Because it's French, they're Frenching!!
84) Because Justin knows Brian will protect him
85) Because brian didn't get upset when debbie called them a couple
86) Because justin feels guilty for his parents divorce
87) Because he's killing him with kindness
88) Because he can't get rid of Justin until he says so
89) Because he is the true deciple of Brian Kinney
90) Because there's no turning back
91) Because Brian wants to make Justin the best homosexual he can be
92) Because they shared the most intense kiss ever
93) Because the "You look so fine" scene
94) Because Justin wanted to know if they were going to Babylon tonight
95) Because Brian was so jealous 'Brian: That's enough'
96) Because Brian taught him everything he knows
97) Because Justin didn't want Brian to move to NY
98) Because the hug was so caa...
99) Because Justin asked him to his Prom
100) Because Brian surprised him by coming
101) Because "Save the Last Dance for Me" *thud*
102) Because they shared the most romantic dance ever
103) Because he kissed Justin in front of everybody
104) Because he gave Justin the Prom he'll never forget
105) Because it was the best night of Justin's life
106) Because it was "ridiculously romantic"
107) Because he tried to save Justin
108) Because we've never seen Brian so devastated
109) Because Brian didn't know how to deal with the bashing
110) Because he was secretly visiting Justin at the hospital every night
111) Because he kept the scarf
112) Because Daphne said they were amazing
113) Because Justin wished he could remember
114) Because he knows it wasn't Brian's fault
115) Because he told Jennifer he cares about Justin
116) Because he wanted to help Justin
117) Because he tried to trigger Justin's memory
118) Because Brian remembered everything
119) Because "I wish I could remember/I wish I could forget"...
120) Because Brian knows why Debbie calls Justin Sunshine
121) Because "Like the first time" *sigh*
122) Because he helped Justin to cross the street
123) Because he wasn't sure he could do it but Brian was
124) Because "When my boy walks down the street"
125) Because he's recovering nicely
126) Because "thanks for the standing ovation"
127) Because he defended Brian to Bellweather
128) Because they were holding hands. In public!
129) Because Brian was helping Justin with his exercices
130) Because he encouraged Justin to go to the Pride
131) Because "Hey stud. Wanna dance?"
132) Because he promised Justin he wouldn't forget this dance
133) Because Brian was just doodling
134) Because they shared a hello kiss at Babylon
135) Because he bought Justin a computer
136) Because Brian is Justin's inspiration
137) Because they were like ********** newlyweds!
138) Because even a random trick knew Brian was in a relationship
139) Because "Admit the truth. You love him, don't you?"
140) Because Brian wants to be coming home to Justin
141) Because they sealed the deal with a kiss
142) Because he wants Justin safe and around for a long time
143) Because they couldn't wait to get rid of Jen
144) Because they had a "sniffing" game!
145) Because emotionnally they're the same age
146) Because Brian wants Justin to enjoy his youth
147) Because he knows the best way to wake Justin up
148) Because they have "date" nights
149) Because it was Justin's idea to steal Ted's viagra!
150) Because Justin doesn't have problem with older men!
151) Because he always knows what Brian likes
152) Because Brian thinks Justin has great taste
153) Because Justin was worried when Brian took off with a stranger
154) Because he invited Justin to White Party
155) Because Justin knows with which bodypart he can deconcentrate Brian
156) Because Brian wanted to loan him the money
157) Because Justin loves that Brian would do anything for him
158) Because he gave Brian a dividend ;-)
159) Because the spanking scene!
160) Because "daddy don't hurt me too bad" *lol*
161) Because Brian was annoyed by Justin's go-go dancer job
162) Because a man knows when to ask for help
163) Because Brian wanted to spend time with his boyfriend
164) Because 'Good morning sunshine'
165) Because Brian wanted him safe
166) Because Brian couldn't take his eyes of angel!wings Justin
167) Because maybe they'll hang it!
168) Because toppy!Justin!!!!! *thud*
169) Because they were spoon and forking in the diner
170) Because 'ok no more drugs for you' and the play bite! Too cute!
171) Because Rage is based on Brian - 'it's his mind that makes him sexy'
172) Because Brian stayed up waiting past 3am
173) Because 'that was important'... 'so is this'
174) Because 'rise and shine sunshiinnne'
175) Because his jealous freak out means he cares
176) Because "if you didn't love him then you wouldn't give a *******"
177) Because Brian actually admitted being jealous!
178) Because the artwork is art
179) Because the playful bump-shove they give each other = love
180) Because "Rage swoops JT into his arms and takes him up to his lair" where "he brings him to life with lots of of heavy kissing..." and less PG activities ;-)
181) Because Brian wanted to see Justin in another birthday suit
182) Because even if the birthday gift idea was bad, Brian's intentions were good
183) Because Brian thought Justin knew he cared about him
184) Because he was considering buying Justin roses
185) Because he wanted to spend a whole week with Justin in Vermont
186) Because he called Justin his partner!!!
187) Because he was looking for Justin to celebrate
188) Because he was disappointed when he found that Justin went to Vermont alone
189) Because the "red sweater" kiss was HOT!
190) Because Justin apologized for what hapened with Ethan
191) Because he let Justin get back in his bed
192) Because it's Justin's call where he wanna be
193) Because Brian was never so miserable than without Justin
194) Because even apart they're still on each others minds
195) Because Brian hoped Justin would find what he wanted
196) Because Brian hit Mikey when he badmouthed Justin!
197) Because he payed for a Justin look-a-like hustler
198) Because he was fantasizing about Justin when having sex with some trick
199) Because he was still paying for Justin's tuition
200) Because he asked Justin to make a poster for the carnival
201) Because Brian's still Justin's biggest fan
202) Because Justin was worried when he heard about Brian's nephew accusations
203) Because he helped Brian by tricking John
204) Because he gave Brian his bracelet in person
205) Because they shared longing looks
206) Because Brian was irritated when he saw Justin wearing Ethan's ring
207) Because Justin never forgave Brian. He never had to!!!!!
208) Because they couldn't stop looking at each other in the backroom!
209) Because Justin was bored out of his mind without Brian
210) Because Justin had an ..interesting dream.. that took place in mid air
211) Because Justin wasn't talking about Ethan, he was talking about Brian!
212) Because he realized he made the biggest ********* mistake of his pathetic life
213) Because he wanted Brian back at any price
214) Because Justin became Brian's intern to win him back
215) Because Justin is the best thing to come into his office
216) Because he is the ubiquitous Justin Taylor
217) Because "Brian...Mr Kinney"
218) Because he would be grateful if Brian gave him a second chance
219) Because what Brian could give Justin is worth a thousand, a million times more then what Ethan had to offer
220) Because he had b***s to kiss him!
221) Because the kiss he gave Brian had Brian asking for more.
222) Because he decided that Brian should take him back
223) Because Brian would be making a bigger mistake by not giving him a second chance
224) Because Justin understands now Mr Kinney's rules
225) Because Brian requires Justin to work long hard hours sometimes deep into the night
226) Because "it'll be pleasure to work under you... sir"
227) Because he promised to never play violin music in Brian's presence again
228) Because we had a perfect reunion with "Lover's Spit"
229) Because Brian took him back!
230) Because it was the most historic reunification since Germany!
231) Because "Yes you are seeing it" and so did the whole Babylon!
232) Because the fiddler fell off the roof *evil grin*
233) Because it's about thawing his cold heart, bringing him back to life.
234) Because it's about their love, their unspoken commitment
235) Because Brian showed Justin he loved him everyday
236) Because Here by my side an angel/Here by my side the devil/Never turn your back on me again/Here by my side it's heaven
237) Because that was effing hot
238) Because it's just like the cover of the comic. It's art imitating life!
239) Because he’s the guy Brian ******** more than once. "Unlike you"
240) Because they like to go on strolls together
241) Because he's just a little rambuncious, you know how they are at his age
242) Because they danced to "Get Some Lovin" at Babylon
243) Because doesn't Justin want to party like its 1984??
244) Because its not that type of project
245) Because there's a restaurant he wants to try with Justin
246) Because "Taylor what are you still doing here?"
247) Because Brian knew all along it was him. "I'm sure you'll get an A+ even if it is a bit crude and heavyhanded"
248) Because they made out and Brian helped Justin hang up the posters
249) Because now they're more than just partners. They're partners in crime!
250) Because he wanted to give Justin a subscription for his birthday
251) Because that was aaaaaaaaamazing!
252) Because Brian helped Justin set Stockwell up
253) Because Justin winked at Brian during the GLC meeting
254) Because Justin learnt from Brian how to be a clever devil
255) Because we got Brian kissing Justin's stomac scene!
256) Because they can make removing socks look hot!
257) Because Justin was giving him career tips
258) Because Justin can always "make his mother's meatloaf honey and then look at the photos from when they took kids to Disneyworld"
259) Because they're the new revolutionists!
260) Because that tongue kiss scene was way too short!
261) Because Brian is Justin's deep throat!
262) Because wrong blondboy! he'd rather get laid
263) Because it must have been quite an elegant affair
264) Because 'you shoulda been there' Justin & Brian touchflirtplay!
265) Because 'how are you gonna keep a cleaning lady??'
266) Because they're partners in crime with matching leather jackets!!
267) Because 'look at all these old guys, some of them are even older than you are!'
268) Because 'charm him with your witty repartee'
269) Because Brian is gonna owe him like a hundred bj's for this!
270) Because 'effing teenagers i don't know how anyone puts up with them = Brian's raised eyebrow' *lol*
271) Because Brian thought Justin looked hot dressed as a hustler
272) Because he already expressed his appreciation 3 times with Justin
273) Because Brian admitted that Justin is his boyfriend "in non defined, non conventionnal way"
274) Because 'leave to a queen to turn anything into a drama'
275) Because Brian told him to apologise
276) Because Justin sacraficed everything
277) Because they both co-ordinate their wardrobe (aww matching blue sweaters)
278) Because 'holy porkchop' 'if only there were a real rage to change everyones mind'
279) Because someone told Brian that if you really believe in something then you'll sacrafice everything
280) Because concerned citizens for the truth really are lunatics
281) Because Justin offered to loan him the money
282) Because Brian's suffering from possession withdrawl *squuee holding hands*
283) Because when the results were announced they hugged and celebrated
284) Because try as he might he can't come up with anything else
285) Because the way he looked at Justin was pure love
286) Because 'drop your pants...bend over'
287) Because the kiss on the stairs outside The Woody's was pure happiness
288) Because "Christ Brian now you don't even have a car!!"
289) Because Brian haven't lost everything - he still has Justin
290) Because they have liberty and each other
291) Because they were celebrating the victory in tight embrace
292) Because Justin is Baby to Brian's Johnny!
293) Because Justin wanted to help Brian financially
294) Because "I thought we were partners/We are"
295) Because Justin named Brian's new agency
296) Because Brian thought it was clever
297) Because "Hi, honey"
298) Because the loft is where they made love for the first time
299) Because "it was love to me"
300) Because Justin organized a benefit to help Brian
301) Because "half of gay Pittsburgh can sleep soundly in their own bed"
302) Because the kiss and a hug in the street was so sweet!
303) Because it was Justin's idea to come up with a new ad to steal Vance's account
304) Because Brian was worried by Justin's anger
305) Because Brian thought Justin's new haircut was hot
306) Because he was worried Justin would get in trouble b/c of the Pink Posses
307) Because chair!sex scene!!!!! *thud*
308) Because "tonight it's your turn"
309) Because they fought for it!
310) Because Brian tried everything to talk Justin out of the Pink Posse
311) Because he was even more worried when he found Justin got a gun
312) Because he wanted Justin to go back to school
313) Because they were funny when they were trying to win their bet
314) Because Justin was understanding and loving when Brian told him about going to Ibiza
315) Because he promised Brian he will be there when he'll get back
316) Because he told Brian what he needed to hear the most - "I love you"
317) Because "you're here"/"I told you I would be"
318) Because Brian admitted he missed him
319) Because Justin wanted a kiss to have a proof
320) Because he respected Brian's wishes and didn't let him know he knew about the cancer
321) Because "tell me about Ibiza" scene *bawl*
322) Because Brian threw him out thinking Justin would leave him anyway
323) Because "the soup scene"!
324) Because Justin knew it was only a temporary malfunction
325) Because he tried to cheer Brian up
326) Because Brian was anxious when he couldn't have sex with Justin
327) Because Justin went to a Chinese herbalist to help Brian
328) Because "it's for my boyfriend"
329) Because Justin made him herbal tea to ignite fire in his lifegates
330) Because Brian went straight to Justin when he "healed"
331) Because it's a joy forever!
332) Because God gave Brian a second chance and he didn't want to blow it... but Justin was free to!
333) Because Justin was withholding sex to get Brian donate his couch... and it worked!
334) Because it was their top 5 sex!!!!!
335) Because Justin wanted Brian to sponsor him in Liberty Ride
336) Because Brian had to sneak out coz he didn't want to wake up Justin
337) Because Justin followed him to the spin class
338) Because Justin knew the best way to inspire Brian
339) Because the bicycle kiss was hot!
340) Because Justin wanted to stay for Brian
341) Because Brian encouraged Justin to go to Hollywood
342) Because Brian lied so that Justin can fulfill his dream
343) Because Brian was imagining Justin cheering him on Liberty Ride
344) Because Justin waited at the finish line for him
345) Because he could kill Brian for doing this
346) Because they lay on the futon giggling
347) Because Brian wants to make some changes and important decisions
348) Because 'I want you to move back in' 'Huh?' 'I said I would like it if you and I were to live together'
349) Because all the running back and forth is time consuming
350) Because Justin wears Brian socks!!! it's love!!!!
351) Because 'As for the times you're not around I wouldn't particularly mind it if you were.'
352) Because Justin has been waiting for Brian to ask him to move in since the night he first brought him to the loft
353) Because Brian was planning on surprising Justin in LA
354) Because Brian missed him more than words can express
355) Because he was gonna be "reunited with his beloved"
356) Because it was love for the Russian litterature and snacks that brought them together
357) Because Justin is Brian's superhero
358) Because Justin was missing Brian
359) Because Brian was bothered that Justin had to stay longer in LA
360) Because "how was your flight?"
361) Because the reunion sex was hot!!!
362) Because it was all Justin remembered and more
363) Because Justin knows that Pittsburgh has something that Hollywood doesn't have
364) Because the tickling!
365) Because Brian admitted it was great
366) Because he kept an empty drawer for Justin
367) Because he back hugged Justin when he got home from work
368) Because he asked Justin to work in Kinnetik
369) Because "Sunshine, how did I ever get along without you?"/"You didn't"
370) Because of cuddling in the shower
371) Because they're finishing each other's sentences!
372) Because "did you hear that rubber duckie, he said couple"
373) Because he called Justin "mon amour"!
374) Because the chin bite!
375) Because Justin loves to cook and Brian loves to plant seed in some hole... in the ground
376) Because Brian had a surprise for Justin in the VIP lounge
377) Because they snuggled in the kitchen
378) Because Brian loves Justin's cream sauce
379) Because they were choosing housewarming gift together
380) Because Brian wanted to know how Justin's evening was
381) Because Justin wanted a husband and family - with Brian of course
382) Because Justin has always loved Brian
383) Because Brian wanted to know where Justin is going to live now
384) Because Brian was devastated after Justin left
385) Because Justin missed Brian and wished for them to be together
386) Because Jen also wanted them to be still together
387) Because Brian saved Justin's life
388) Because Brian gave Justin everything
389) Because Brian didn't deny that Justin was the love of his life
390) Because even apart, they still love each other
391) Because Brian always comes to see Justin's art
392) Because Brian thought Justin's art is exquisite
393) Because at the bombed Babylon he called out for Justin first
394) Because Brian was 'f...... scared' for Justin
395) Because "I love you."
396) Because Brian needed to check on Justin
397) Because Brian knew that Justin would get through this
398) Because Brian didn't want to go on without Justin
399) Because Brian wanted to marry Justin
400) Because Brian was upset when Justin turned him down
401) Because even Jen was disappointed that Brian wasn't going to be her son-in-law.
402) Because Brian bought that palace for his prince
403) Because Brian wanted to 'prove to the person that he loves how much he loves him'
404) Because Justin said 'yes'
405) Because the post engagement sex was hot!
406) Because BriTin
407) Because if Justin wants Golden Gardenias, he will get Golden Gardenias
408) Because Brian has a vivid memory of their first time together
409) Because Brian is the opportunity of his lifetime for Justin
410) Because Justin knew that Brian was the only one who never broke his promises
411) Because Brian thought Justin looked beautiful
412) Because Justin is enough for Brian
413) Because they do cuddle
414) Because they don't need rings nor vows to prove that they love each other - they already know that.
415) Because that last lovemaking scene was heartbreaking




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I think that might depend on how differently Brian and Justin grew up. I think Justin doesn't have self esteem issues, those issues that make you doubt anyone will ever really love you and make you doubt you even deserve that love. He grew up as a happy child, with parents and a sister that loved him. For Brian it was different, I think he's always missed love so he grew up finding ways to cope with that absence. And even when he is loved when he's an adult, he finds it difficult to believe in it.
obviously, the way you are treated growing up affects your future relationships, but essentially, brian and justin started out their adult life the same way. to say brian didn't fundamentally change his outlook on love completely denies what he and justin shared, honestly. i mean, how long can you really hold on to what happened to you as a youth before you accept that you create your own life and family apart from the one you're born into? brian had love though. from michael, anyway. and even debbie, i'm sure. it's not like brian was completely devoid of what love or family meant. then there is linds.

i always thought what was so fascinating about the brian and justin pairing was the fact that you had brian who was in your face and out, but as much as he didn't care about being gay, he hid the truth from his parents. justin didn't. he literally lost his entire life by being who he was. it's just so ironic that we're supposed to believe brian is justin's teacher, in a sense, but there was so much more to be had beyond liberty ave. at least for justin, anyway.
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I do think Brian changed his outlook on love, gradually. When S5 ends, he's made so many step forwards to an idea of love that is nothing like what his parents taught him. I think though there's still some road ahead of him to believe in the happy ending, to accept he deserves love just as much as everyone else. I think it's back and forth for him, through the entire show: there are moments in which you see he's almost totally embraced love, and then there are moments in which the doubts come back up. I think it's a difficult change to make, one that needs time. I believe the longer he was with Justin, the more he believed in love, because sometimes, with things that aren't really tangible like with love, you need the confirmation of their existance day after day, the confirmation that it can last. I think Brian needed that, a lot.

I also agree that Brian did get love, from Michael and Debbie and later Lindsay. But I also think that some damage was already done, because he was already 14 when he met them. What happens to you when you're a child, has a deep impact on you as an adult, I believe. But I also totally believe that finding Michael and Debbie and later Lindsay, helped him keep a part of his heart open enough for Justin to break through.

What you said in the second part of your post, I agree with some of that: I think Brian taught Justin some things, mostly about being gay, but Justin was as much of a teacher to Brian too. And some things they learnt together.

I'm not sure about Justin not hiding to be gay. He tried, in the beginning. Jennifer realized he was and when she confronted him, he had no choice but to admit it. But at first, he didn't want to tell his parents either. I do think though that he wouldn't have lasted long in hiding it, because he was strongly determined to be who he was, as the whole situation with Chris and the school proves.
I also think though that's it's not entirely fair to compare the situation Justin had and the one Brian had, because their families were different. I think it was less hard to admit to Jennifer to be gay than to Joan. And while Justin had some intuition that Craig wouldn't take things well, I think Brian was sure nothing good would come out from Jack knowing about him being gay.
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I love what you said about Brian needing confirmation that love actually existed. I can't agree more that being with Justin helped him confirm that even more each time, despite all the obstacles they faced along the way.
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So, I agree with Manu that when Brian met Michael (and Debbie) the damage was already done. And I don't think that Debbie just saw Brian and loved him immediately. Through the time she learned to love him, and she realized he's damaged and yes, I think she tried to "save" him as good as possible.

And yes, thank god Brian had Michael and Debbie and later Lindsay in his life. I think it helped to not cause even more damage because of Joan and Jack.
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Well said Manu
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Thanks girls, glad we agree

Of course, I think it's also fair to say that not everything Brian did or felt was caused by his family, because not everyone comes from a difficult past and grows the same way, some people manage to get out of certain cycles of hate/lack of love better than others.

P.S. I love Brian&Justin so much I chose their thread to post my 100,000th post You think Brian would get a kick out of it? Or just laugh at me? Probably the second
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Congrats
Just realized that I had hit the 11.000 ... but it's obviously already a while ago.
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Wow, Manu, that's brilliant.

I don't think Brian would laugh. Well maybe he'll have that smirk on his face but deep down he'll love it (but won't show it )
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Steffi I tend to forget this kind of things too, but Chase reminded me

Vered Brian might be horrified I chose a romantic thread for my post or at least he would act like he is, but deep down, we know he's a little romantic too
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Congrats Manu

He was romantic in his own way
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I do think Brian changed his outlook on love, gradually. When S5 ends, he's made so many step forwards to an idea of love that is nothing like what his parents taught him. I think though there's still some road ahead of him to believe in the happy ending, to accept he deserves love just as much as everyone else. I think it's back and forth for him, through the entire show: there are moments in which you see he's almost totally embraced love, and then there are moments in which the doubts come back up. I think it's a difficult change to make, one that needs time. I believe the longer he was with Justin, the more he believed in love, because sometimes, with things that aren't really tangible like with love, you need the confirmation of their existance day after day, the confirmation that it can last. I think Brian needed that, a lot.

I also agree that Brian did get love, from Michael and Debbie and later Lindsay. But I also think that some damage was already done, because he was already 14 when he met them. What happens to you when you're a child, has a deep impact on you as an adult, I believe. But I also totally believe that finding Michael and Debbie and later Lindsay, helped him keep a part of his heart open enough for Justin to break through.

What you said in the second part of your post, I agree with some of that: I think Brian taught Justin some things, mostly about being gay, but Justin was as much of a teacher to Brian too. And some things they learnt together.

I'm not sure about Justin not hiding to be gay. He tried, in the beginning. Jennifer realized he was and when she confronted him, he had no choice but to admit it. But at first, he didn't want to tell his parents either. I do think though that he wouldn't have lasted long in hiding it, because he was strongly determined to be who he was, as the whole situation with Chris and the school proves.
I also think though that's it's not entirely fair to compare the situation Justin had and the one Brian had, because their families were different. I think it was less hard to admit to Jennifer to be gay than to Joan. And while Justin had some intuition that Craig wouldn't take things well, I think Brian was sure nothing good would come out from Jack knowing about him being gay.
brian's parents didn't teach him anything though... except how to recite the story about how his father wanted him aborted, the end. regardless of all that, he still loved his parents, i think. i mean, you make brian sound like this empty vessel with zero grasp on any sort of good emotion at all. honestly, brian said to justin that he wanted him around for a long time in the beginning of season two. it wasn't ever a question about a happy ending either, it was brian always wondering when people would leave him... so he pushed them away. only, without fail, they kept coming back. doesn't mean he didn't know how to love or even differentiate the emotion from another. in fact, i'd argue he had a bigger heart than any other character.

and how is comparing justin and brian not fair? once justin came out, he was never able to step back in his house again. even if jennifer was supportive, she was hardly mother of the year. like, you can't compare hardship based on who loved who more or who was afraid of who more. both situations were of the same magnitude, they only drew different actions and consequences... that's why the brian/justin pairing is so prudent to begin with. or else justin losing everything and gaining what he does would fall short of what it all turned out to mean and be.
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brian's parents didn't teach him anything though... except how to recite the story about how his father wanted him aborted, the end. regardless of all that, he still loved his parents, i think.
I think so too. Which makes it even more sad. Even after everything Brian was always waiting for his parents to show him their love and he was willing to forgive and forget until the very end. That's sad and it tells truth that:

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But I still think that comes out of the childhood.

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and how is comparing justin and brian not fair?
Brian never really learned how to love and that love can be unconditional; Justin did. Justin always felt loved and saved and familiar happiness - for Justin it changed when he was 17 - for Brian it never began in the first place. So this is a huge difference IMO.

In Season 1 it became sort of similar, since it was obvious - to us - that now both of them were waiting for their parents to show their unconditional love. But while Justin got some love from his mother (I agree in S1 she was not mother of the year), Brian didn't get anything. And here we see the differences again.

Justin is able to let love and support happen (Brian, Debbie), while Brian keeps pushing people away, because he never learned that love can be unconditional and that people not always expect anything in return.
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Steffi basically explained what I think too.

Brian and Justin's situation, let's say when they were both 17, was not the same. Brian's parents were nothing like Justin's. If Justin was afraid to come out as gay to two parents who had been loving parents untill that moment, of course for Brian it was even more difficult to come out to two parents who had been hateful his whole life. That is why I say it's not fair to make a comparison between them and their decision to come out or not. And as I said in my previous post, Justin didn't actually choose to come out, it was Jennifer who forced him to when she asked him about Brian. We don't know if and when Justin would have come out otherwise.


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brian's parents didn't teach him anything though... except how to recite the story about how his father wanted him aborted, the end. regardless of all that, he still loved his parents, i think. i mean, you make brian sound like this empty vessel with zero grasp on any sort of good emotion at all. honestly, brian said to justin that he wanted him around for a long time in the beginning of season two. it wasn't ever a question about a happy ending either, it was brian always wondering when people would leave him... so he pushed them away. only, without fail, they kept coming back. doesn't mean he didn't know how to love or even differentiate the emotion from another. in fact, i'd argue he had a bigger heart than any other character.
I think we probably didn't understand each other well. I basically agree with you. I never meant that Brian is an empy vessel and that he doesn't know how to love. He knows that, he does love the people around him. What he doesn't know as well is how to be loved, how to accept and believe that people love him for who he is. Look at his relationship with Michael in S1: he still has to lead him on at times, when he feels like he's losing Michael, because in Brian's mind, the biggest reason for people to be around himself is his sex appeal, his being a stud. Think about the crisis he went through in S4 for the cancer and in S5 when a new hot guy comes on the scene. It's hard for Brian to believe people love him and want to stay with him and that is something that in my opinion comes mainly from the way he was raised. So we basically agree: Brian does love people, but he's always afraid those people will leave him: "he would have left sooner or later anyway, might as well be sooner". He pushes Justin away because he believes sooner or later they will leave anyway and the waiting for that to happen kills him. Also, if he's the one doing the pushing, he feels like he mantains some control.
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