Queer As Folk - Brian & Justin #128: Because Brian Saved the Last Dance for Justin. - Page 7

Manu9 · 06-18-2009, 08:58 AM

I should go watch that one too, to cheer me up

besides, I love the reunion scene, it's in my top 5 BJ scenes.

metal heart · 06-18-2009, 09:07 AM

they both look so happy, hee!

**~*Chrissie*~** · 06-18-2009, 09:12 AM

Mine too! They were both so relieved they got it over with. I'm glad it was Justin, because Brian can be so stubborn.

Manu9 · 06-18-2009, 09:24 AM

it had to be Justin, it couldn't have been any other way. Justin was the one who left, even though Brian helped him take that decision pushing him away. I don't know if Brian was really being stubborn. I think he needed to be sure, well as sure as one can be in this kind of situation, that Justin had looked inside himself and wanted Brian and was ready to take him as he is. I think that's why he told Justin to "have some balls". That line was a step towards Justin, a way to tell him not everything was lost. If he hadn't wanted to get back with Justin already, he would have just let him leave after he fired him.

**~*Chrissie*~** · 06-18-2009, 09:30 AM

Yeah, you're right about that. That's why I love that scene. Since mostly it's all about Brian hiding his feelings, it was amazing watching him giving a sign, because that was definitely one, but I don't think he was prepared for the kiss.

Or else expected it, it's Justin after all.

I meant that if he hadn't actually went there and made the first move, Brian would have never done it. I agree it was about Justin accepting him as he was and telling him that, but I think Brian comes around as being that determined to never lose a game person.

Manu9 · 06-18-2009, 09:38 AM

you're probably right about the fact Brian wouldn't have done the first move, for several reasons. First, it was Justin who left so it was Justin the one that was supposedly undecided. Second, Brian's always so scared of feelings that I don't know if he would have made a move and risked to be turned down. But I love that at least he gave Justin that little sign with that line and with keeping him there with his arm. I think that was kind of a "don't give up on me/us" sign.

metal heart · 06-18-2009, 09:41 AM

i'm suddenly reminded of randy slamming gale into the wall now

what about the backroom scene in 307? i think that scene is so incredibly hot! like brian can't take his eyes off justin, only i kind of disagree with the whole brian never making a move part... i mean, he tried on a couple of occasions to talk to justin, but alas, there is only so much one can do... i don't even think it's about who should of done what, it's the fact that they still wanted the other regardless of past indiscretions... brian likes to be chased though, the tease!

Manu9 · 06-18-2009, 09:49 AM

I admit I thought about Randy slamming Gale into the wall too

I don't know if those times Brian talked to Justin and everything were really an attempt to make a move to get back together. I think at that point Brian just wanted to still be in Justin's life someway, even just as a friend.
I agree it shouldn't matter who makes the first move, but considering how things had ended, I think it made much sense it was Justin who admitted first he wanted to try again, because I think Brian might have felt he really wasn't enough for Justin and he couldn't know if Justin had changed idea. I believe he was sure since the beginning that Ethan wouldn't have lasted, but I don't think he was so sure Justin would have come back to him.

I do agree that Brian likes to be chased

I love the scene in Babylon when Justin not so subtly suggests him they dance together. Brian so knows Justin is going after him and he's having some fun with that

the backroom scene in 307 is amazing, so hot! The tricks are there but they so could totally not be and it would be the same for BJ: it's all about the eye sex.

**quicksand** · 06-18-2009, 09:56 AM

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i'm suddenly reminded of randy slamming gale into the wall now

That scene is just too cute.

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I mean, he tried on a couple of occasions to talk to justin, but alas, there is only so much one can do... i don't even think it's about who should of done what, it's the fact that they still wanted the other regardless of past indiscretions... brian likes to be chased though, the tease!

He never attempted to reconcile with Justin because Brian doesn't believe in "relationships". He believed that if Justin wanted to be with someone like Ethan, someone who would treat him like he was a boyfriend and whisper sweet nothings, then Justin would eventually leave him for that. Brian is who he is, and if he thought he wasn't making Justin happy, then Justin should be with someone who makes him happy ("I hope you find what you're looking for."). In the end, Justin realized that Brian made him happy. Brian couldn't change the way Justin felt, Justin had to grow and learn on his own.

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the backroom scene in 307 is amazing, so hot! The tricks are there but they so could totally not be and it would be the same for BJ: it's all about the eye sex.

Too true. That scene in the hallway (I think 304) where Justin gives him his bracelet back had so much sexual tension. Gale and Randy are so good at that.

Manu9 · 06-18-2009, 10:02 AM

I agree that Justin had to grow and learn on his own, but I also believe Justin needed to see something from Brian. The fact Brian kept trying to help him, paying his tuition, pushing him to keep working with Michael, giving him work and being still friendly (except for one exception), made Justin realize Brian really was in love with him and cared about him. Hence his line "you wouldn't have told me that you love me. And that you'd go on loving me even after I was gone". I think that was important for Justin, to see Brian did have real feelings for him and was willing to "forgive" the way Justin cheated behind his back and still help him as much as he could.

**quicksand** · 06-18-2009, 10:11 AM

No, I think Justin knew that Brian loved him, Justin just wanted him to express his love differently (I think he even tells this to Michael in early S3). He thought Brian took him for granted, especially after the ski trip (which was immature on his part, he didn't even tell Brian he left, right before Brian received a promotion he'd been working for half his life). BJ breaking up was the best thing for them. It made Justin realize that actions speak louder than words, it made him grow as an individual and have a life outside of Brian, and it made him accept Brian completely for who he was and what he offered. It also made Brian understand that he actually was in a relationship with Justin (which he FINALLY begrudingly admits in S3) and that being in a relationship was not actually the end of the world.

Justin wasn't getting what he wanted from Brian in S2, so he moved on to Ethan. He was young and naive. I'm not saying Brian is perfect by any means, he is just Brian, and it took a break up for Justin to realize he was content with just Brian. This is another reason I think the series should've ended with three, because we go right back to square one in S5 when Justin leaves Brian again.

metal heart · 06-18-2009, 10:12 AM

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I don't know if those times Brian talked to Justin and everything were really an attempt to make a move to get back together. I think at that point Brian just wanted to still be in Justin's life someway, even just as a friend.

i don't think it was brian's intention to ever get back together with justin through those moments, it was just a way to be near him... although i disagree about the friend thing, like completely... i mean, when someone breaks your heart you generally can't stand the sight of them, which is so not the case with brian... i think on some level he just couldn't imagine justin out of his life, but i'd never say brian wanted to be jusin's friend... he simply loved justin and couldn't let him go... but if you go back and watch some scenes, especially the bar scene in 306, gale plays it as if brian is longing for some sort of movement in their relationship... albeit, i don't think a reconciliation was really ever his motive, but brian just wanted justin to see that he was still there... so yes, it really couldn't have gone any other way than justin making the first move, but that doesn't mean brian wasn't trying to hint at justin that he could, or i think anyway

**quicksand** · 06-18-2009, 10:25 AM

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albeit, i don't think a reconciliation was really ever his motive, but brian just wanted justin to see that he was still there... so yes, it really couldn't have gone any other way than justin making the first move, but that doesn't mean brian wasn't trying to hint at justin that he could, or i think anyway

Justin worked at the cafe. There was no avoiding him. And from what I remember, they both kept popping into eachother's lives. Justin had convinced himself he had moved on, and I'm sure Brian had no intention of trying to sway his opinion. What scene are you talking about in 306?

What episode is it that Brian says, "Is that your idea of true love, sunshine?" I think that pretty much epitomizes the entire break up. Justin had such an idyllic view on romance that he left the one person in his life that had loved him the exact way he longed for, but just not the way he had imagined it. Brian was basically saying "WAKE UP! Real love isn't a walk in the ****ing park with roses and rings."

metal heart · 06-18-2009, 11:00 AM

every scene i'm talking about happened outside of the diner... and i never said brian tried to sway justin's anything... but it's not like he made it his business to remove himself from justin's life either... obvs they kept running into each other, but for the most part that was brian's intention, especially in 303 and 306... the bar scene in 306, at the end, when brian stands behind justin and closes his eyes is the one i'm talking about (he offers to buy him a drink)... and if that's not someone in pining mode, i don't know what is... so idc what anyone says, it's clear to me brian wanted justin back, just not the justin who was so wide-eyed about love

and basically brian's speech in 305, which where he says is that your idea of love along with sacrificing his career for a piece of blond boy ass, is what brian does a few eps down the line... i mean, brian may not throw his entire career away because of justin, but justin was certainly a driving factor for brian to make that choice... to me justin's relationship with ian is a direct reflection of justin's relationship with brian... only brian was willing to go the lengths that justin defined as love, ian wasn't, psht!

**~*Chrissie*~** · 06-18-2009, 11:04 AM

Yeah, I think Brian did give the signs that he still wanted Justin back, and obviously still loved him, but I don't think he would have made the first move. In 304, the bracelet scene, as you sadi there was so much sexual tension, that I think if Brian had made some move, Justin would have totally jumped him imo, but instead he reminded him of the boyfriend.

ETA: Lex so true! I always thought that was kind of a reflection. How just a few episodes later Brian loses his job, first because he was jeopardizing the campaign with Justin, and then secondly because of something Justin said.