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i'd like to find out who Sirius or even Peter fancied when they were still Hogwarts students. i mean we all know that James liked Lily. Remus probably liked Tonks when he joined the Order?

Rebelious?Nah!

JKR said Remus liked Lilly but would never admit it or act on it because of his loyalty to james.

How-very-girl629

I kind of found that a bit lame to be honest.
Did everyone like lily?
And seriously did he just like her because she was kind?
Because that to me shows more about lupins insecurities.

Rebelious?Nah!

I don't know I would assume due to his insecurtites lilly was probably one of the only girls he actually got to know as a person and that led to him liking her, i don't really think theres much more to it he was just very introverted - that's all.

How-very-girl629

That's exactly how I feel. I don't think he legitimately liked her. She was one of the few girls he really got to know, so of course he would think he had feelings for her. I think thats part of why he never went after her, he knew it wasn't real and he knew james feelings were.
Thats kind of why I want a prequel, I think lily seems a little mary sueish with any backstory. Like have you read fanfics with her. she's too perfect.

Rebelious?Nah!

I don't think lilly was perfect at all. In fact i think she too had some major flaws. First of all she was a very snooty character. She looked down on people that where immature by her standards or didn't measure to herslef in intelectual ability. She hated the marauders to begin with because they were pranksters and she considered this a waste of time. She didn't like them because she believed them to be imature and thought they focused on things of little to no importance. She also hated the fact that they didn't care so much about their inteligence. I don't think she was completely happy with the idea of them being clever but still choosing to focus on the 'lesser things'.

Secondly she was a very one-track minded person. She focused on only what she knew and refused to give a chance to those that where unfamilliar to her. I mean she stuck by Snape through thick and thin, regardless of what he did. While this does shouw her phenomenal loyalty it also shows that she incapable of being completely open minded, because she refused to give james a chance knowing that her best friend is actualy more dangerous than him. She was still hesitant on giving him a chance though because she didn't know him like Snape. If any of that made sense.

In any case I don't think she was perfect. I think she was one of the best characters in terms of personality and likablitiy and she was a loving character and the defention of what a mother should be, but she was not perfect.

Flickgoddess

We're all just going to have to beg JKR to write us a prequel anyway. She shouldn't have teased us with that card.

There is too much we don't know about Harry's parents. Most days I feel he's even more in the dark than we are, and that's just sad.

When did JKR say that Remus liked Lily? I don't remember that. I know they dropped that in the PoA movie, but did JKR say it? It just seems like such an easy way out. And the Snape memory doesn't indicate that he really even looked at Lily. I do agree that Remus often alienated himself and I think that leads in to why I often forget about how sad his life is. He doesn't seem to try and make the most of the happiness he has right in front of him, he's scared of it. On the otherhand, Sirius despite a lack of love at home always seems to make the most of everything. He has his friends and doesn't let much else bother him.

Pottergirl7

I don't really agree. in SWM she was snooty because James was bullying her best friend. I would pitch a spaz if someone did that to my friends. And I never got the feeling she looked down on people. The Marauders were being immature gits in that scene, there's no denying that, and being a prefect and a generally loyal person, she stood up for Snape. Also when did she look down on people that didn't measure to herself in intellectual ability? She knew the Marauders were smart (minus Peter), brilliant students even. (She might have even been jealous of them).

I think what JKR meant was that Remus liked Lily as a friend, but didn't make much else of it, because James was so obsessed with her.

How-very-girl629

I don't think she snobby but I do agree with the one track mind. She could at times I believe only see her point of view, and who she was loyal to she was fiercely loyal to and against those who opposed them. I also do think she could only see her opinions at times and not others. I also agree that she clinged to snape, probably because she never gives up on things which could be a good and a bad thing.

I'd like to believe that she wasn't against pranking because that's so cliche and so hermione. And lily should be her own person. I actually think Lily would have gotten a long well with Sirius before James, because she liked James and was afraid of her feelings so it was easy to look down on him and shut him out.
I do think she was against their meaner pranks but in general I don't think she did. She might have also been telling snape she was to make him feel better.

Rebelious?Nah!

Ok maybe that was a bit of an exageration. let me just make myself clearer. I don't think lilly was snooty in her later years. When she first started hogwarts in her first few years i think she was and the scene i get this from is the train scene. I agree the marauders where bullys and if i saw them bullying my friends (as seen in snapes worst memory) I would have a go at them too and i'd probably hate them for it too. However I think her opinion on them was formed early on well in advance of them bullying snape. The other thing is snape was a bully too he bullied those weaker than him with dark magic which is worse than what james did. He was using practical jokes which really aren't as bad. Lilly is an amazing person she is probably one of the harder characters to find faults in, but she did have faults and for me this was one of them. Maybe snooty was the wrong word but she was definatley for a while incapable of seeing the wider picture.

Rebelious?Nah!

I think Lilly probably loved to have a joke and laugh every now and then, but she probably hated pranking, especially to the extent the marauders took it with snape (lets be honest it was bullying) and I would hate that sort of pranking too so i don't see anything wrong with that. I think she was a verbal joker though, i think of her as a very witty person who responds with briliantly amusing comebacks. I can also see her playfully takeing the mick out of her friends and things like that - she was definatley not as serious as hermione. As for getting on with sirius beforehand - i cant really see that happening, sirius was even more of a prankster than james and even harsher on snape than james, so she probably wouldn't have started liking him untill after james. Howeve I do think that once she got together with james she probably shared a brother-sister relationship with sirius and was probably partial to having a good joke or two with him

How-very-girl629

I think Lily chose to see what she wanted to see a lot of the time. She knew both James and Snape bullied and Snape bullied in a darker way, but I think the majority of the time she chose to ignore Snape's behavior. I also think she ignored Snape going to the dark side(wow that sounded like Star wars) because she couldn't deal with it. I in no way am saying she helped him becaome evil or she could have done more, I just think she didn't want to see because really what could she have done? Made herself fall in love with him in the hopes that he would turn good.
I see nothing romantic in Lily's love for Snape and I find it really annoying that I've seen people bash her and blame her for snape's evilness.
She was a very good friend to Snape. He wanted her to be his salavation and yet he still chose the darkness over lily. I think it's possible Snape was angry at her for not "fighting harder" .
It's no ones responsibility to do. People make their own choices.
Lol Does talking about lily count as off topic? Maybe we should add her.

How-very-girl629

Oh eew I didn't mean in a romantic sense at all!!!! Sirius would never have done that to James and just ew. Yes Sirius was harsher so I don't think it's a big possibility but I think it would have been easier than to be close to james at the point because of her feelings and because she probably held james up more. Plus I probably just want to think that because lily needed some fun friends. Like I'm sorry but Snape couldn't have been a fun friend. Lol.
I do think they grew a brother sister bond. Possibly after a while because of Sirius's fierce loyalty he would have probably had issues with trusting her for james, but I think while they didn't have a lot in common some of the things they did have in common were huge.
I.e loyalty, and fiery personalties. And for some reason I've always imagined them both with dark intelligent wits.

Rebelious?Nah!

I don;t know, lilly could be an honarary marauder right?

Anyway there is no way in hell that lilly can be blamed for snape going over to the dark side (as star wars as it sounds it makes sense). She done all she could for him. Thinking about it logically i can see why lilly stuck by him fr such a long time it was probably a combination of denial, loyalty and wanting to help him change. I mean think about if your friend was at risk of becoming evil wouldn't you stick by them untill you relaised it was a hopless cause too? It makes sense it's humane. However one person can not change another or help them get back on the right track unless that person is willing to take this help or wants to change. The only way snape could change was if he wanted to change it had nothing to do with lilly it was out of her hands. She did all she could, she did everything required of a good friend and he still failed her by going over to join voldemort.

How-very-girl629

And yeah as much as I love the maruaders, what they did at times to snape was definitely bullying and he bullied right back of course.
I don't see them like picking on the fat kid though.
Especially James for all of his `very accepting and in a lot of ways they were kind of a misfit group despite their charisma.
James was kind of the golden boy but then Sirius was a black and I definitely don't think they were supposed to be friends, and Lupin was this shy bookish werewolf and Wormtail was wormtail.