Harry Potter - Leos {H♥G} ~ Because "sexual tension leads to blooming love" - Dan Radcliffe - Page 4

jonrevilla123 · 11-03-2008, 09:13 AM

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I think, I kind-of understand what Jo means on that, about H/Hr during that time when Ron left them. I have a male friend before, he's single, and I'm already attached. I knew that he used to feel something for me, though he only acknowledge/admitted it to me in passing, in jest. We became close, during the most vulnerable moment of my life. And if I didn't pull up myself in time, God knows what would have happened. It's not even that I feel something deep for him, its just that I was really vulnerable at that time, and he is there for me.. When you are in that situation, where you even question your own situation, you have the tendency to cling into someone, and I think that was what Jo is saying about Harry & Hermione... They were there for each other, their respective significant others are not.. As the saying goes, misery loves company.. It could have been, but it did not. I think it was at that point that Harry truly realized the extent of how important Ginny and Ron too to him and Hermione..

pennylane_4 · 11-03-2008, 09:20 AM

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My point is that H/Hr had their chance in that tent. They were alone. But it never occurred to either of them to take their friendship beyond platonic. Did they even have any conversations that went beyond communicating the very basics? I got the impression the only talking that went on were of the "It's time to move the tent" or "I'll take the first watch" variety rather than anything meaningful.

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That's pretty much how I feel about the whole thing, too. I mean, pretty much any two people of the opposite sex (assuming they're both heterosexual, of course) can experience a "charged moment" if they're thrown into the right situation together, regardless of their compatibility or if they feel any genuine, lasting attraction to each other.

And let's face it, Harry and Hermione were definitely thrown into the right situation together: Alone in a tent together in the middle of nowhere for weeks (months?) on end. And yet all that happened between were a couple of "charged moments" that seem very one-sided (Hermione-->Harry) to me (judging by JKR's wording), went nowhere, and were practically over before they even began. Eh, the mere fact that they were in the absolute perfect situation for blossoming romance and yet that's all that happened between them is very telling. The rest of the time, Harry stared at Ginny's dot on the Marauder's Map and ignored Hermione while she cried about Ron. So you'll forgive me if I'm not exactly thinking that JKR meant that Harry and Hermione could/would have had a lasting, epic, beautiful romance for the ages.

I'm sure the H/Hr shippers are ecstatic right now, and I'm actually kind of glad for them, because goodness knows that in the past they've had little to celebrate in terms of comments by JKR. But at the same time, if I were an H/Hr shipper, I'm not sure I'd be feeling too terribly happy right now, because honestly, JKR's comments just smack of "I feel badly that they were so upset about the Melissa/Emerson interview, so I'm saying this to make them feel better." Obviously, I can't read JKR's mind, but that's how that whole passage in Melissa's book comes across to me.

jonrevilla123 · 11-03-2008, 09:31 AM

Ditto on everything you've said, Kari.

Lucy Pearl · 11-03-2008, 10:53 AM

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My point is that H/Hr had their chance in that tent. They were alone. But it never occurred to either of them to take their friendship beyond platonic. Did they even have any conversations that went beyond communicating the very basics? I got the impression the only talking that went on were of the "It's time to move the tent" or "I'll take the first watch" variety rather than anything meaningful.

I'm focusing on what did happen rather than what could have happened. I don't care what could have happened. If I did, I'd be writing AU fic.

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I agree with you and pennylane.

I saw her Harry, A History quote and, honestly, I loved how practical JKR was about the Harry and Hermione moments in DH. She was sympathetic to the H/Hrs. Now they have a jumping off point for their AU DH fanfic.

I dunno, I don't care, I just love the fact that she was quite adamant on Ginny being Harry's true soulmate again.

Hes Harry Freaking Potter · 11-03-2008, 11:36 AM

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YAY! Kevin gets it! Lol!

I think she was saying that inbetween that time, there were moments where there was a HUGELY strong connection between Harry and Hermione, and that if they wanted to pursue it, things might have worked out differently. But they didn't, and so now they are Happily Married to Ron and Ginny. But there was a bond formed in those weeks when Ron wasn't there, and I think that this is Jo acknowlaging that it was toeing the line on the brother sister thing, but it didn't turn into anything

KJJ1588 · 11-03-2008, 12:02 PM

Agreed with everyone.

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And I think Jo's point is that the four of them are all happily married to the right person.

emeraldflames · 11-03-2008, 12:34 PM

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I think if Ron and Ginny had both died, it's very possible Harry and Hermione would have leaned on each other. The thing is, would it have lasted? Harry tried the whole "fall for a girl when their boyfriend has died" thing with Cho, and as we all know, that failed miserably... Harry didn't know how to deal with her and didn't know how to comfort her. He might have handled it better with Hermione since she was his friend, we don't know. But yeah, I do think Jo's saying here that if there had been no Ginny or Ron, that something could have happened. But since they weren't each others soulmates or true match, it of course would not have been as happy for either of them. She brings up the fact Ginny is Harry's true soulmate, and Ron and Hermione are mutually attracted to each other through their bickering. Harry needs someone who makes him laugh, who gets his sense of humor (remember he thought life was much less fun in GoF when Hermione was his best friend), who enjoys the same passions he does and Hermione needs someone who can disagree with her sometimes, make her laugh, get her to have some fun, otherwise she'd be too uptight about life. But that is not to say he couldn't try and make it work with Hermione, or Hermione with him. It wouldn't have been ideal, but they're friends, so why not?

I think Jo is trying to tell people that H/Hr shippers aren't crazy for shipping the way they do, and it's a nice thing for her to say. After the whole "delusional" comment Emerson made, this sort of needed to be said. Of course Harry and Hermione simply do not want to be together, they have their perfect match with Ginny and Ron, so H/Hr would never happen. But there's nothing wrong with 'what if' and they can play in AU.

On a shallow shippy note, I love that Jo saying "I had always planned that Harry's true soul mate, which I stand by, is Ginny" made it into the book. That's the third time now she's called them soulmates, isn't it?

KJJ1588 · 11-03-2008, 12:43 PM

Yeah, Emerson is a jerk. I hope he reads this. I am happy that Rowling has finally given her true opinion on the ship.

Chabo the Wolf Baby · 11-03-2008, 12:48 PM

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honestly, JKR's comments just smack of "I feel badly that they were so upset about the Melissa/Emerson interview, so I'm saying this to make them feel better." Obviously, I can't read JKR's mind, but that's how that whole passage in Melissa's book comes across to me.

That's how it comes across to me as well. Because even though she never called H/Hr's delusional (those were Emerson's words), she WAS the one who said the hints that the series would end Ron/Hermione were the size of anvils.

Plus, in other earlier interviews she said that she was surprised that people hadn't worked it out yet. There are far more interviews where she said she doesn't understand how anyone couldn't have figured out that it was going to be Ron/Hermione.

This interview smacks of "well, the series is over, the H/Hr's lost, I think I'll toss them a bone".

Just my humble opinion.

CHH · 11-03-2008, 12:53 PM

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Considering how little comfort Harry was able to provide Hermione after Ron left, I'm not too sure he would have done better with her than he did with Cho if Ron had died. One of his best friends is crying her heart out each night and he can't even pat her on the back and give her a half-hearted "There, there, he'll come back"? I've given more comfort to crying strangers in high school restrooms.

Hes Harry Freaking Potter · 11-03-2008, 01:25 PM

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That's how it comes across to me as well. Because even though she never called H/Hr's delusional (those were Emerson's words), she WAS the one who said the hints that the series would end Ron/Hermione were the size of anvils.

Plus, in other earlier interviews she said that she was surprised that people hadn't worked it out yet. There are far more interviews where she said she doesn't understand how anyone couldn't have figured out that it was going to be Ron/Hermione.

This interview smacks of "well, the series is over, the H/Hr's lost, I think I'll toss them a bone".

Just my humble opinion.

Perhaps reading the interview in context will change your thoughts on this....I felt like she was simply stating fact. It doesn't threaten our ships in any way, what happened in canon happened. I felt like she was acknowlaging some of the things H/Hrs see when they read the books.

Chabo the Wolf Baby · 11-03-2008, 01:30 PM

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Considering how little comfort Harry was able to provide Hermione after Ron left, I'm not too sure he would have done better with her than he did with Cho if Ron had died. One of his best friends is crying her heart out each night and he can't even pat her on the back and give her a half-hearted "There, there, he'll come back"? I've given more comfort to crying strangers in high school restrooms.

The relationship between Harry & Hermione was always one way. Hermione giving Harry comfort and sympathy, Harry NEVER returning the favor. Harry never comforted Hermione when she was hurting from the Ron/Lavendar relationship in HBP. He never comforted her when she got nasty letters resulting from Rita Skeeter's articles in GOF. He never comforted her when she went to the hospital wing crying because Malfoy accidently enlarged her teeth. Plus he gave her the cold shoulder in POA when he thought she was responsible for him losing his Firebolt. And gave her the cold shoulder again in DH when he held her responsible for breaking his wand.

Jo showed us Harry & Hermione "together without Ron" in both GOF and DH. And both times Harry was miserable and missing Ron.

DM07 · 11-03-2008, 01:49 PM

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JKR's comments don't surprise me, because I always felt that the whole Ron-leaving section of DH was to clear up those relationships beyond any doubt. JKR acknowledges that Harry and Hermione are a boy and a girl with a strong emotional bond, and that when thrown together in a situation like that, there's the potential for them to find solace in each other. Hence those charged moments.

But that whole section also shows what's lacking there - Harry and Hermione's total lack of balanced communication. It's been a flaw of their friendship from the beginning - without Ron there to liven things up, Harry tends to find Hermione's company a bit dull. That's why it would never have worked - despite that emotional connection, their personalities just don't match well enough.

pennylane_4 · 11-03-2008, 02:36 PM

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I'm with Rose and Lucy, I'm just squeeing all over again at the fact that once again, JKR has referred to Ginny as "Harry's soulmate". And this time, it's his "TRUE soulmate".

God, I love JKR.

Chabo the Wolf Baby · 11-03-2008, 02:39 PM

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Perhaps reading the interview in context will change your thoughts on this....I felt like she was simply stating fact. It doesn't threaten our ships in any way, what happened in canon happened. I felt like she was acknowlaging some of the things H/Hrs see when they read the books.

The point that I was trying to make was that this one interview is the exception rather than the rule. If she was "stating fact", she could have stated that fact in earlier interviews. Instead, we got interview after interview that said "I can't believe that some of you still haven't worked this out" or "I do believe that I've made it clear" or "I've laid what I feel are heavy hints, anvil sized hints."