Sallyna

Here we go again:

For all I know (that means heard), they changed who came first because of the order of death because of the spell that shows your latest spells (like the one they put on harry´s wand to see if it was that wand that had set the dark ark at the quidditch cup).

Considering people are made of a phisical body and a spirit, it would be Remus´ spirit in James body if they actually had changed before Voldie coming. If Voldie killed the phisical body (James´) then we would have Remus´ spirit coming out of the wand.

Why would somebody say "how are you doing" in a time like that? Makes it look like a walk in the park!

Or not. Not exavtly everything has to have a secret meaning. Look at the *** at the end of the comments.

I´ll keep a neutral point in this.

Surely something that still has to be explained.

In the specific case of Gilderoy I have to agree with you. Memory charms are rather easy to be broken.

Have we seen any methamorphagus in HP yet?

I´m usually the kind of person that doesn´t speculate much. I like to wait and see.

I have to make clear that I think those are very interesting theories in deed and it would be really wonderful to have them explained and showed for a good reason in the story. I´m just trying, with this discussion to see how much we can clear up the speculations.

**** Those speculation things always remind me of an interview with a very known poet from here about one of his pieces.

It started with "there was a rock in the middle of the way / In the middle of the way there was a rock"

If you had any idea how many theories about what that meant you´d be amased.
And then, one day, obviously somebody went to the author and asked about one of the biggest misteries of Brazilian poetry and he said~"I just saw a rock on the floor and wanted to talk about it! That´s all"

[ 02-05-2004: Message edited Sallyna ]

Kilikena Miki

I understand not believing a theory because it is just a theory. However why disagree so adamently about something that is plausible?

First of all....Tonks was a metamorphagus!

But what about Malfoy being a patron to the MoM do you disagree with? It has been said several times that he has given "generous contributions" to not only the Ministry but to St. Mungos. Why is it so hard to believe that he may be keeping them under his thumb?

Sallyna

First, I´ve already agreed before that I Lucius has the MoM under his control. But I try not to be too radical because it´s like saing everybody there is corrupted and we have to remember that Arthur is a employee there too and he´s not corrupted.

Now explaining...

Sweety... things don´t work that easy for me. I´m the weird one here. You see, if I start agreeing with the theories I´ll start believing in them and then my head will get all messed up when I start reading the books again.

Usually it happens to me after reading too many fanfics. I start confusing cannon and fannon. It´s a personal problem, mine!

Understand that not agreeing, in my case, does not mean disagreeing. I just like to have thinks more clearly said because I have a fish-tank´s memory. It takes me centuries to memorising something.

It took me 3 books to memorise who was who! I´m the worse when it comes to names.

With that in mind added to the fact that I´ve read OotP in a very short period of time, including a marathon of 450 pages in one day to finish at once I give myself the right to forget things about anyone, even more Tonks that is a new character.
That´s why I asked about the metamorphagus. It´s because the word and Tonks don´t link in my mind, at all!

I still think it´s more plausible to have a woman playing Rita then a man. And if it really sonds like somebody in a wig, it doesn´t sound like a metamorphagus.

If Lucius is really controling St. Mungo´s (yes, it is possible) why did Mr. Wesley got out of there so fast?

Let´s just speculate over speculation!

Kilikena Miki

I just wanted to know why you didn't agree because even if I might not have explained these theories clearly, they are perfectly clear to me.

These are just speculations but I think that they are completely possible.

I meant the Lucious had the MINISTER of magic hunder his thumb, not the whole ministry. I know that not everyone can be manipulated because of people like Arthur, Kingsley, Fletcher and others (more specificly the Order).

I too have trouble with the line between Canon and fanfic. However, I have a memory like a sponge But I like to speculate till my bum is sore. Even if my specs are completely wrong, I will take them God's holy truth until I am proven wrong.

I still believe that if you actually go back and read the books it will help to only prove my theories.

Celebrian Saralonde

Something else about the James in Lupin's body thing- If Lupin were really James, then in the 4th book while in the shrieking shack with sirius, they are discussing who's the spy and the whole switcheroo of the secret keeper. Lupin has no clue that Sirius and Peter switched until this point in the book. James would have known about the switch.

Of course, he could be faking. All of the points listed were very good. Made me think. Which is bad, cuz then I get confused when actually reading the books but thats ok.

fetch

This is true, but has nothing to do with the thoery. Peter and Remus can still kill one another without James being Peter.

A major flaw in that theory is: if James trusted Remus enough to do that spell, why not make him the Secret Keeper? Sirius was James' best friend and Dumbledore was also trusted by James. If Dumbledore suggested the Secret Keeper thing, and Dumbledore is very trustworthy, why would James go against that? And not even tell anyone, when there's a war going on, and he knows there's a spy somewhere, that it could be Remus, and it's all very dangerous?

Remus does comment on how Harry looks like James, doesn't hhe? In OOTP, Kingsley says something like "you were right, Remus- he looks exactly like James".
In PoA, he didn't do this to Harry because Harry didn't know Remus and James were school friends.

As for Luna and Ron being together when they were younger- Ron didn't really seem to know Luna.

Kilikena Miki

I have thought about that. Maybe James and Remus switched bodies before Sirius could tell that they switched as Secret Keeper. He could also be acting to keep his identity secret. However, I really have no idea. The whole mystery of HP revolves around why James Potter and all future Potters were indanger from Voldie. James' need for extra protection is at the heart of the mystery. And as for Dumbly being trusted, sure he was. But they didn't always tell him everything now did they? He didn't find out till recently that they were Animagis. So, they probably wouldn't have told him about this.

Yes, but if you read what I said, I commented that we never witness him saying that directly. And it doesn't matter if Harry didn't know they were friends in school, if he knew what James looked like he could comment on it.

Ron and Luna may not have been sweethearts when they were younger but there is deffinently some important connection there. Notice how familiar Luna is with Ron and how quickly she stares dreamily at him, there is some familiarity there. Maybe she was Ginny's friend and he was too busy playing with the twins to remember her.

Sorry to sound bratty but if you guys want to continue to nay-say my theories please back it up with as much proof as I have in support.

[ 02-07-2004: Message edited Kilikena Miki ]

~*Jessie Flower*~

Whoa, that just made so much sence when you said that!

I mean they talk about Lily dieing to save Harry, but they never actually said James died in the progress.

Theory: When James let Lily go and run with Harry, he fought against voldemort, but then thought and animal would do better so he changed into his amnigus(sp?) form of a stag. He tried to fight Voldemort with his stag antlers but got injured, Voldemort assumed he was dead. When James was consious again. He lost his memory and now is a muggle in the streets of london, in a future story to be found by Hermione!

Kris, no matter how much I love Remy and James, thats just no. I don't see it. that wouldn't work I mean think about Sirius he would be able to tell if Remus was suddenly acting like James and vice versa.

Sirius is NOT Dead

I was attacken back when i saw NOONE mentioned this. Okay it says he went into the arch. The arch has a drape, he went throught there.

Some my theory is that. He faked his death. He waited until everyone left and contacted Dumbledore. Why was Dumbledore so calm about Sirius being DEAD! So I think Sirius is hiding in the arch, with help from Dumbledore.

Switching isn't possible because Harry looks like James. And You said Lily did the switch thing in hogwarts therefore, it's not logical.

Celebrian Saralonde

I very much like this theory. And I've often thought something of the same because there's a reason for that veil. Something that I think though it why would Sirius fake his death? HE does'nt seem like the type to do that just so he could stop dueling Bellatrix.

Also, I'm not sure what this has to do wth anything but has anyone noticed the conversation between Bellatrix and Voldemort after she kills Sirius and chases Harry up the ministry to Voldemort. I'll go find the conversation now.

Got it.

So, basically, the fact that he is an animagus must be important for some reason and also, how does she know? Peter might have told or soemthing because supposedly nobody knows but Harry Ron Hermione, and Dumbledore. Plus James, Remus and Peter. This has bothered me for a while so make of it what you will.

[ 02-08-2004: Message edited Celebriän Sáralondë ]

~*Jessie Flower*~

Hmm, that is strange. But i think he would fake his death just to attck in the final fight. Like a secret weapon. Or he could have been knocked unconscious, and when he awoke, my theory all over again.

Gabriela

ok..something I found kinda interesting..and I think someone made a comment about it earlier...
I bought the paperback (newer) version of GoF and in that book, Harry's mother comes out before his father. Later, i read the hard cover of GoF and in that one, his father comes out before Lily.
This was a correction. The newer versions of GoF have lily come out first b/c that follows with priori incantatum..they come out in reverse order..so the first copies of GoF were wrong.
as far as james being remus...hm...I guess I don't really buy it..some of the "proof" given doens't really seem like proof...

Celebrian Saralonde

I read a fanfic about that once. Its very possible, actually. We never hear Bellatrix shout the killing curse and there's no mention of green light. What other curse kills? none that we know of. So he could have just been knocked over, maybe hit his head and Bellatrix coulda thought he'd died. Or maybe she knows he's alive and has some evil plan for him... [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] maybe not that..

Gabriela

That is certainly very interesting..hm...I hadn't ever thought about that before. And we all JKR has a habit of making seemingly little details into major storylines.
I definitely agree about the Peter being the last marauder..that is just wrong.

Celebrian Saralonde

I think anybody being the last marauder is just wrong! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] but since someone's gotta die last, i hope its remus. Ur right, Peter as the last marauder is just wrong.

Pav

Agree!

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