*ADARA*

Please keep on topic to only the plot of the sixth book so you don't spoil any new comers to the series who haven't read any further.

BreathofJasmine

Can I please be added to list? I like to think I use my brain when it comes to the Harry Potter books. And it would be nice to discuss the books with other people who use their brains.

And as a little sidenote...the books rawk!!

Kimberly

Thanks for starting the new discussion thread Chrissy!

lenfaz

Could I please be added to the list?

this seems like a very interesting thread and I'd lvoe to discuss the differences among books with all of you.

And I've already signed fot the Quidditch game thread.

Can we start this discusing plots? I think, for me, the best plot must be a tie between OotP and HBP. Both of them were excellent plots that combined different elements of romance, drama, humor, angst and all that.
That being said, I believe that the plot development of OotP is slightly better than the one of HBP. Somehow, the journey rans smoothly in OotP. This does not meant that HBP does not have a good plot development, cause it totally does, but I prefer the one of OotP.

What do you think?

BreathofJasmine

I liked the plot development in HBP because I felt like so much more was explained in HBP. I loved learning about Voldemort's past because I feel like this will help Harry to better understand his enemy. I also felt like JKR did a great job of combining all the elements such as the romance and the drama together.

I also wasn't a huge fan of Harry in OotP because he was always in a bad mood and it was nice to see him getting past that and maturing in HBP.

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I think there were slight plot jumps in HBP that she backtracked and smoothed out and that's why it doesn't quite flow like the other books. It definitely has plot developments and flow but it's just different from the others. I haven't re-read it yet because my ex-boyfriend is borrowing it. OotP was smoother but there really wasn't much advancement in the storyline. HBP went back in history to reveal things that we should know and then Dumbledore started preparing Harry and finally trying to stop holding back information. Unfortunately, he was just a little late in starting to share information.

Harry still needs to learn occlumency but who will teach him now?

I think Dumbledore told Severus Snape to kill him. I believe that is what Hagrid saw them arguing about and I believe that the look that the two shared before Dumbledore started "begging" was Dumbledore insisting that Snape follow through with his promise to Dumbledore and to Narcissa. Had Dumbledore mentioned the possibility to Harry that things might turn out that way then Harry wouldn't've been so reckless and run after him like that. Honestly, he covered Harry's arse so the other Death Eater's wouldn't hurt him but he just kept going.

I've read some really interesting theories on how Dumbledore is just hiding at Grimmauld place but I am fairly certain that he's just dead and not going to be ressurected any time soon.

~Chrissy~

lenfaz

That is one of the things I lvoe the most about OotP... the way JKR is able to portrait teenagers so greatly. Harry is just the perfect 15 year old boy at that book (of course, you want to smack him in the head, but he is real).

On the other hand, what I loved the most about HBP, shippers aside, is the inside on Voldemort's past, it gave me a small idea of who he was.
But somehow, there were some blank spaces in HBP, like the twin wands, and my most important problem... "Where is Charlie Weasley and why is not he back yet!"

BreathofJasmine

I completely agree that Dumbeldore told Snape to kill him. I don't think Dumbeldore would ever beg someone to spare his life because he's just too powerful a wizard. It will be interesting to see the developments with Snape in the 7th book.

Lena: I agree that JKR does do a great job of portraying teenagers. I think in HBP especially she does a good job of showing how Ron/Hermione try to hide their feelings for each other by making each other jealous.

lenfaz

The R/Hr is just this incredible way to portray this whole "I like you but I don't dare to say so, so I'll just snap at you" crush thing you tend to have while you're a teenager.

JKR has a way with words, especially when it comes to the turmoil of emotions the characters go through during teenager years. Hogwarts has just become this place full of hormones!!! Very funny.

As for Dumbledore, I'm positive he asked Snape to kill him. I refuse to think Dumbledore did not see this one coming... I think Snape was trying to save both Draco and Harry

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By moderating the board I knew alot of the book before I finished reading it. The only thing that wasn't spoiled was who died and I kind of knew. Kim told me to go read and I was tried to get her to tell me and she wouldn't say yes or no to Dumbledore and then I worked myself into a tizzy over how Harry just couldn't make it to the "Final battle" without Dumbledore and how he wasn't ready to handle it and blah blah blah- but he is. Harry really matured over the course of HBP (minus his semi-understandable hissy fit after the Astronomy tower). I think that he just might be able to finish Dumbeldore's quest and fulfill the prophecy now.

By doing what she did with the questionable re-opening of Hogwarts she leaves the timespan of the next book up to her. Screw the summer and school term, she can make the next book stretch. She doesn't have to worry about Head Girl & Head Boy, she doesn't have to putz about with graduation or Quidditch games- none of them can worry about that now because there are more important things than school and now they realize that. She's also saving herself from the FanFiction craze. I'm sure that between now and when she publishes 7 that people will have dug their nails into the idea of no seventh year but up to this point nobody has. There's always a seventh year in every fanfic I've ever read. She's finally stumped the fanfic authors and come up with something that they never would have. They're catching up to her now but she totally came out of nowhere with the no-seventh-year prospect and the whole Horcrux idea. It's absolutely brilliant!

I can understand why certain people are upset with the implied shippage of HBP but it really was a brilliant piece. JKR is a genius and I am going to devour book 7. It's going to be awesome. It's the conclusion and I don't even think there will be a "Final Battle" now. How could there be...? Every fic auhor has only fathomed that the "Final Battle" would go down at Hogwarts. Now there isn't a Hogwarts to have that battle at (and even so, the Trio wouldn't be there anyways) and Death Eaters were already there and I doubt they'll go back if the school isn't open and Harry isn't there.

I think it will come down to them getting rid of all of the Horcruxes, with a coverup of them going into hiding somewhere because Voldemort will notice if they are off doing something fishy but he'll expect them to go into hiding. So the trio is horcrux hunting and it comes down to the last one and they peg it as Nagini so they kill Nagini and Harry fights Voldemort only to find that he is the last horcrux- yes? No?

~Chrissy~

BreathofJasmine

I think at the end of HBP we could already see that Hogwarts didn't mean as much as it used to because people didn't care about house points and who won the Quidditch cup and all that.

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Exactly, Pavi. They are growing up and realizing that those things just don't matter anymore. I'm suyre they'd all be happier if all they ahd to worry about was Quidditch and house points but they aren't living in that sort of ideal world. They've got a war going on and they know that they've got to do something so they are.

Hermione said, if I recall correctly, that she wouldn't go back even if Hogwarts re-opened because she wanted to be with Harry and help him with his quest. The know-it-all bookworm is giving up school to save the wizarding world with her friends and probably knows already that they're not all going to make it out of the war alive.

I totally lost my train of thought since I wrote all that like 10 minutes ago. Phone calls are so distracting! When I think of what I was going to say I'll come back and post more

~Chrissy~

lenfaz

Yes, but at the same time, Hogwarts was the place where everything took place for the past 6 books. It's hard for me to let that place go. I love Hogwarts, it's part of the HP saga in ways nothing else is and it's hard for me to acknowledge the idea that it won't be part of book 7. But JKR knows what she is doing.

The thing is, that even HBP has a lot of important things in terms of ships, I believe its greatness comes out of the fact that we see all the characters go through major decisions on their lives: Draco, Ginny, Harry, Hermione and Ron, all of them come to the end of the book with hard decisions to make and that would mark their lives forever.

BreathofJasmine

I think this is one of the reasons why one of my favorite scenes from the book was when Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione were all hanging out in the common room just laughing and having a good time. It was nice to see some normalcy in their world even though outside of the school, the war was raging.

Lena: I agree that it would be hard to not have Hogwarts be the backdrop for book 7. But I think since Dumbeldore made such a big deal about Voldemort thinking the school was such an important place.

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That's from April Grey's Snape Redux

I totally agree with that. If Voldemort did decide to go into Harry's head he would see that Harry was learning about his own past and get ticked off by that but if Dumbledore revealed his plans with Severus to Harry then Snape would have been dead where he stood at the beginning of the book. It all still goes back to Snape being a jerk to Harry and his friends because of Snape's predisposition to dislike anybody with the surname Potter. If Snape had been a bit more nuetral toward Harry & co. then perhaps they'd all be doing better in Potions and Harry would've learned Occlumency.

There's no way Dumbledore could've taught Harry Occlumency because just as Harry saw into Snape's past he would've seen things that Dumbledore could not have blocked and then Voldemort would have had access to random bits that he could tie together even if Harry couldn't.

I'm rambling but there you have it...

~Chrissy~