Majandra Delfino - Teflon Babes #2: Aren't you tired of being a slave to men? - Page 9

Ngatiara · 12-26-2004, 09:55 PM

Yes... Maria was definately Headstrong!

But that was part of her charm.

I love the way she seemed ditzy, but wasn't. You know, everyone percieved her as the ditzy blonde sidekick, but underneath there was so much strength. I think that's why she's loved so much more than Liz.

Liz seemed strong, but if anything was to go wrong she was more likely to fall apart. At least that's the way I saw it.

I think that has something to do with the way they were raised. Maria had already gone through a lot. Losing her father, and every year hoping that he would come back and getting disappointed over and over again. That helped her to become a much stronger person than she would have otherwise been. Plus having to be soo strong and there for her mother. That makes people grow up and become more mature and able to handle things that come their way.

Whereas Liz had been sheltered all her life, and really, until the shooting, she'd had it really easy and nothing too bad had really happened. So when bad things happened, she would have fallen apart easier.

She just seemed like such a weak character.

Maria was filled with inner strength which helped her through things. Isabel was also filled with inner strength because of all she'd been through in her life too.

Tess seemed weak because she was soo small, and being blonde never helps. But underneath she too was strong. Once again because of all she'd been through.

But Liz. No.

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Liz is intelligent and scientific, while Maria is wise and street smart.

That's very true. Unfortunately I've had this arguement with many of my "Booksmart" friends...

I reckon "Booksmart" is good... You need an education, but in these times "Streetsmarts" are soo much more needed. I dunno. Maybe it's just because I have more "Streetsmarts" than "booksmarts".

Once again... I'm biased,

I seem to be saying that a lot lately!

Harry Potter!

I kinda agree with you guys. I mean, they left a lot out in the movie, (the whole grim thing, we only saw the dog once in real life, once in the cloud, and Prof Trewlany's class, whereas in the book it was mentioned a lot) but a lot of the movie was truer to the book than the other two.

I mean, they really bought the book to life. The things that you only saw in your mind was suddenly on screen. Like the Dementors. They were exactly how I imagined it to be.

And the Knight Bus. Very realistic. And yes, they added some stuff, because translating books directly onto the screen is very hard, but it was still so close to the book.

You've got to admit that for what they're trying to do, which is very difficult, they've done a brilliant job. I recently reread the book, and then watch the movie.

Like I said, some things were slightly different, but on the whole, it was soo close.

There were some things I did have a tiff about in the movie tho. The location of Hagrids cottage, the Whomping Willow and they way in which they got there was different from the first two movies.

But that's due to a new director who has different visions from the original director. And of course the change of Dumbledore. I didn't like the new one. His interpretation was soo different. The original was Stately and Poised, whereas the new one wasn't.

The original would never have patted Ron on the leg like the new one. But those are the only things that dissapointed me. And those few things didn't put me off the movie.

I'm just waiting for the forth one to come out. The forth book is my favourite, so I'm hoping to movie comes out brilliantly otherwise I'll be really dissapointed. I hope it's true to the book, and that they do all the things they did in the book. I've read that one soo many times. I dunno. I just love the Goblet of Fire. It was great.

Anyways, that's enough OT from me.

Tahra

doy · 12-28-2004, 08:31 AM

Well yeah, the way the film translated some parts of the book was impressive.

But then they left out some major plotlines. And then there was the obvious fact that they were trying to sell Ron and Hermione as a couple.

And yeah, I did not like the new Dumbledore.

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Isabel was also filled with inner strength because of all she'd been through in her life too.

Tess seemed weak because she was soo small, and being blonde never helps. But underneath she too was strong. Once again because of all she'd been through.

I felt the other way around regarding the female aliens. While I do agree that they had a solid core, they always felt very brave and strong on the outside. Which is what fascinates me about them. But I also liked that there were vulnerable kids inside them. It was apparent that the two of them value family and the sense of belonging.

fetch · 12-28-2004, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by doy
Well yeah, the way the film translated some parts of the book was impressive.

But then they left out some major plotlines. And then there was the obvious fact that they were trying to sell Ron and Hermione as a couple.

And yeah, I did not like the new Dumbledore.

I felt the other way around regarding the female aliens. While I do agree that they had a solid core, they always felt very brave and strong on the outside. Which is what fascinates me about them. But I also liked that there were vulnerable kids inside them. It was apparent that the two of them value family and the sense of belonging.

The books are selling Ron/Hermione, too

I didn't like Dumbledore in the movie either

Ngatiara · 12-28-2004, 10:40 PM

Of course they were vulnerable as well... But at the same time, they were filled with a strength that Liz wasn't. Liz acted strong, but she wasn't.

Whereas Isabel was strong.

Everyone was some degree vulnerablity to them... Maria's was her dad. Hoping and wishing that her father would come home.

Isabel was insicure about someone finding out about her secret. But she knew that if someone found out about it, depending on who they were, she would figure out a way to deal with it.

Tess they made to seem weak... Especially in Season 2. Whereas we all knew different.

At least that's way I always saw it. I dunno... Everyone has a different perspective on things don't they?

Yea... In book especially they try and sell the idea of Hermione and Ron getting together. At the Triwizard competition ball, Ron gets all jealous about Hermione going with Viktor Krum.

The problem with the books is I've been told quite a few spoilers about the 7th one, due to things that JK Rowlings has accidently said, damn her!

Tahra

doy · 12-29-2004, 10:40 AM

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The books are selling Ron/Hermione, too

Not in the third book, no they weren't...yet. At least that's what I remember.

It's been awhile since I''ve reread them.

fetch · 12-29-2004, 12:52 PM

There's some hints in the third book, but I probably wouldn't have noticed if the fourth book hadn't come out yet

Anyway the movies are stupid. And JK hasn't told us what would happen... only hinted

Tess was strongest, if you take in mind the fact that she had mainly no one. The others had a support system, at least.

Ngatiara · 12-29-2004, 07:26 PM

No... My mate read an interview with her where she said some stuff... And because of something else I know, I know something about that first one!

Bit confusing, but I cant say what I know here.

So yea.

Tahra

doy · 01-13-2005, 05:44 AM

I try not to read those author interviews, but I just can't. And some of the hints they give out are intriguing but not really spoiler-ish. They wouldn't want to ruin the fun for their readers now, would they?

And I do appreciate you keeping the "stuff" to yourself, Tahra. Thanks

And back OnT (kinda)... Yeah, I do agree that if you really look at it, Tess was the strongest, especially because she's been through a lot, and she was able to endure them. Alone.

Plus there were a few moments early S2 where Maria kind of lost her inner teflon.

She was just acting the exact opposite of everything she proclaimed in the first season. I really didn't like the way she referred to herself as a "chick, waiting at home for her soldier to arrive". And that she leaves Michael all those phone calls and chases him around. I guess she forgot that she didn't want to be "a slave to men".

-CherryPixie- · 01-14-2005, 06:43 AM

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Plus there were a few moments early S2 where Maria kind of lost her inner teflon.

She was just acting the exact opposite of everything she proclaimed in the first season. I really didn't like the way she referred to herself as a "chick, waiting at home for her soldier to arrive". And that she leaves Michael all those phone calls and chases him around. I guess she forgot that she didn't want to be "a slave to men".

You got a point there, but I think she promised herself not the be a slave to men. But it's human not the hold promises, I mean I don't think she's ever really been in love before so it was probably way harder for her to resist running after Michael than she thought. It's just natural in my eyes. That's just my opinion, I understand where you're coming from and I agree that it was a bit too much sometimes

Ngatiara · 01-14-2005, 01:37 PM

Hey!

No problem... There's no way I'd dish out spoilers, not without asking if you wanted to hear them first. The only reason I found out one of them was because I traded info with a mate!

Yea, I've always thought Tess was one of the strongest.

And I totally agree about Maria. I mean one minute she's saying "They're like a drug, and we just have to say no... No, no, no." and stuff like "I'm teflon," and things... The next she's going against everything she's ever said about guys, and laying herself down at the feet of one.

So yea, I totally see what you're saying... But I also see what Cherry Pixie is saying.

I've been in love, so I know just how hard it is to stay away and say no to yourself. It's so incredibly difficult, coz all you want is to be with them. You don't want to be apart for a moment.

But yea, it was a bit much sometimes.

Tahra

doy · 01-17-2005, 06:15 AM

Yeah, well I don't know the first thing about love so I really wouldn't know. Hehe.

But Maria early season 2 is a very confusing subject for me. I guess you guys have a point because I've been seeing it in a very independent, feminist, empowered Maria POV. But I was still praying for her to leave Michael alone for once. Just to teach him her worth. And when she finally did, it happened very poorly in S3. That whole storyline did not make sense at all. (We had to step out of our S3 denial stage sometime.)

And I guess her not giving up on Michael could be accredited to her strong-willed and headstrong self, and not as a weakness. Could be, I don't know.

Ngatiara · 01-20-2005, 03:48 PM

Mmm... The whole Michael/Maria S2 thing is a subject of much controversy.

I saw it mainly as Maria not giving up on him, not only because she loved him, but because she wasn't willing to. I think it was her strength that made her not give up on him, not because she was weak.

Sometimes it takes more strength to stick with something than anything else. It could be considered weak, but I think in her case she'd have been weak to give up on him. Especially since she truely loved him.

Think about it like this. If someone who you loved was doing something to harm them, would you be strong enough to keep talking to them about it, or would be weak and just give up on them?

Altho, there is a fineline here. Is there some point where you should just give up on them because they're never going to change and it's taking too much from you? Or should you keep on, even tho it is draining you?

You know? It's all very confusing when you get right into it.

I know people who have continued long past when they should have given up, and they've lost everything due to that.

And then I've known people who have given up way to soon, because they feel they're not making any progress, where anyone else can see that they have made a difference.

And I am talking about Love here.

It's a really hard desicion for anyone to make.

But in Maria I'd say it was her strength that kept bringing her back and trying to make a difference. That's my opinion tho, and everyone is entitled to their own.

Tahra

doy · 03-19-2005, 06:20 AM

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I saw it mainly as Maria not giving up on him, not only because she loved him, but because she wasn't willing to. I think it was her strength that made her not give up on him, not because she was weak.

Yeah, good point. It may be her boldness that allowed her to pursue the guy that she actually likes and break the rules that society imposed on females that they should be meek and frail and play all hard-to-get, so I see where you're coming from.

Anyway, I already said this on another thread, but Michael was worth Maria's efforts, right?

And where are all the Teflons?

I saw the Hybrid Chronicles a little earlier and had to laugh at Maria's speech to Laurie, about her not being her mommy to hold her hand while she potties.

Classic

Ngatiara · 03-19-2005, 04:12 PM

Thanks! I'd actually forgotten about this convo! Funny!

Anyways... Doy! You're back!

Yea. Michael was so worth her effort, even tho in/just after CYN, she didn't think he was, considering he was going to leave her and all just like Alex, altho in a different way.

But then they got back together!

So worth the time. Now Liz and Max? Not worth anyone's time.

Oh, I was watching the Shiri & Majandra show last night, at the end of the S2 DVD's, and I loved the way they complained that their characters were doing all this stuff for the aliens, and getting treated like crap from them. And I had to agree at some points... The alien mafia were pretty hard on the human girls quite often.

But at the same token, I found rewatching it that, altho I love her very much, I found Maria to be very selfish in some eps... Thinking of herself, being harsh on Michael when he hasn't even done anything yet... You know? I found myself getting very frustrated with it.

Because altho she never gave up on him, she also tried too hard to change him, when she should have accepted him for who he was. Instead she claims that she's "Big enough to let him take her out to make up for whatever bad thing he's done wrong now," and "I want a Christmas present dammit. And if you don't get me a good one, it's over."

Demanding much?

But I still love her. The writing was just terrible.

Yea, I watched that ep this week, and it cracked me up.. I just love Maria around Laurie, she come out with some good ones!!

MARIA: Right, of course. Um, are Bobby and Meredith around? If they are, could you just have them come outside so that they could take a look at this?

[Maria hold the deed of record up to the camera.]

INTERCOM: One moment.

MARIA: Charmed, I’m sure.

MICHAEL: If it was me, I’d tell us to get screwed and call the cops anyways.

MARIA: That’s 'cause you don’t have any money Michael. People who do tend to get a little nervous when it’s threatened.

Wonderful pearls of wisdom straight from Maria's mouth to our ears!

Tahra

doy · 03-21-2005, 02:37 AM

I do love that scene. And remember when Michael talks to Laurie and credits Maria's ideas as his own:

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MICHAEL: So I realized I had to find some kind of leverage. I went to the courthouse had them look up files on this place and...bang, there it was. The deed with your name on it. So I threatened to call the police on Bobby and Meredith and have them arrested for trespassing and...Well...WE threatened to call the police cos Maria kinda helped.

LAURIE: That’s really smart.

MICHAEL: You know, well people with money. They tend to get nervous when it’s threatened you know?

Maria's pearls of wisdom must've got to him too.

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But at the same token, I found rewatching it that, altho I love her very much, I found Maria to be very selfish in some eps...

Yeah Maria got on my nerves sometimes too. And don't even get me started on S3 Maria! Actually, now that I think about it, I think I was pissed at every character for at least once. I mean, every character had their flaw and were a bit annoying sometimes. I think the only character I liked from the beginning till the end was Alex.

Sweet adorkable Alex

Anyway, we were studying chemistry and my teacher was talking about polymers. She happened to discuss about Teflon and... well, it made me grin. Heh.

Just too bad I couldn't share it with anyone in class.

(My teacher happened to mention the scientific name of Teflon, and apparently it's polytetrafluoroethylene. So in case we wanna sound smart, we Maria fans are also known as the Polytetrafluoroethylene babes.) Yeah okay, that was lame, but I just had to share it.