Angel - Angel Unappreciation 2: Me Angel. Me good boy. Angelus did it.

sum1 · 02-27-2004, 09:29 PM

This is a thread for people who don't particularly care for the character of Angel or just downright hate him. If you aren't part of this group, please go elsewhere.

Now, for all you Angel-unappreciators out there. Come on in! Welcome! Have a seat and a cup of hot chocolate with the little marshmallows.

Angel just gets on my last nerve and always has. If anyone else out there supports this view, please feel free to post here

Here is an extremely funny parody that was posted by the awesome sum1. Obviously, this parody occurs upon Angel's return to LA after visiting Sunnydale for the BTVS series finale, Chosen:

(Angel returns from Sunnydale.)
Angel: Waaaaaaa!
Wesley: My goodness, what's wrong?
Angel: Spike's got a soul now!!
Wesley: A soul?! That's fascinating! How'd he get it? William the Bloody with a soul...
Angel: But I had mine first! No fair!
Wesley: I'll have to go look this up. You realize this means the Shanshu prophecy might be about Spike, not you, don't you?
Angel: Waaaaaa! Shanshu mine! Buffy mine! Me champion!
(Angel runs off and finds a human, kills and drains the human of blood and returns a while later, dragging the bloodless corpse behind him, sobbing quietly. There's blood dribbling down his chin. Upon seeing this, a shocked Wesley drops a big book on his toe while Gunn goes for his stake.)
Wesley: (Hopping up and down, holding his foot.) Dear God, what have you done?!
Gunn: He's gone bad again!
Wesley: Leave him be, Gunn. He just doesn't know what he's doing. If you think about it, Angel's always been like that. He's too lacking in intellect to know right from wrong. That's why nobody blames him for anything he does.
Gunn: Yeah, that kinda explains a lot, doesn't it?
(There's a big explosion and a flash of light, knocking them to the floor. A portal opens in the air and somebody drops from it. He's dressed in black and dyed blonde. Picks himself up, sees Angel.)
Spike: Oh, bugger this!

(suggested by sum1) From Habeas Corpses:

Connor: "What's a zombie?"
Angel: "It's an undead thing."
Connor: "Like you?"
Angel: "No, zombies are slow moving dim-witted things that crave human flesh."
Connor: "Like you."

More parodies by sum1:

Parody of BTVS season 1 episode Angel:

Buffy faces off against Angel, crossbow aimed at him.

Angel: Hey, don't shoot! I'm a vampire with a soul! Well, most of the time. Sometimes, it pops out and I have to pop it back in again.
Buffy: A vampire with a soul? How lame is that?
Angel: I know, it's really depressing. Why do you think I spend all my time brooding? It's much more fun when it pops out. Then I get to say nasty things and make fun of people.
Buffy: Ooh, scary.
Angel: But I didn't bite your mom, that was Darla. I drink pigs blood, not human.
Buffy: Pigs blood? Gross! And so totally uncool. And I know you didn't bite my mom. She could have beat you up easy.
Angel: But then why did you smash me out the window? Why the crossbow?
Buffy: Do you have any idea how bad that kiss was?

Parody of BTVS season 3 episode Amends:

First Evil: "Bad boy!" (Wags finger at Angel.)
Angel: "Waaaaaa!"
(Enter Buffy.)
Buffy: "You guys have to go to bed!"
FE: "I'm evil!"
Buffy: "So?"
FE: "But I'm eeeeeeevil!"
Buffy: "Oh, gimme a break!"
FE: "Well, Angel's screwed anyway, so there!" (Exit FE, all batty.)
Angel: "Waaaaaa! Me have bad dream! Me bad person! Me wanna die! Me go fry!"
Buffy: "Get a grip, willya?!"
Angel: "Waaaaaa!" (Stands waiting for the sun to rise and roast him.)
(No sunrise. White stuff falls from the sky.)
Angel: "Snow?"
Buffy: "Cheese."

Parody of Bungel:

(This one's inspired by what Angel said in IWRY about B/A: "It's more than confusing, it's unbearable.")

Angel: Uhhhhh...
Buffy: What?
Angel: I'm too soulful to tell you.
Buffy: We've got a communication barrier.
Angel: Yeah, we can't understand each other at all.
Buffy: We just stand around with stupid expressions on our faces and say stupid fake sounding things and there's no connection whatsoever.
Angel: And no chemistry. I mean chemistry like romance chemistry, not science chemistry. But you knew that...
Buffy: So what's our relationship all about?
Angel: Beats me. Maybe it's about brooding? Or being depressed or something? I know a lot about that stuff.
Buffy: It's confusing.
Angel: It's more than confusing, it's unbearable.
Buffy: Wow. We must be really in love.
Angel: Tragic.
Buffy: Forbidden immortal love.
Spike: Sodding hell, I think I'm going to barf.

Dishes:

A poster said "But you cannot see B/A actually making it work in a normal life and doing things like washing dishes together." so I wrote this:

Buffy: "Angel, can you help me with these dishes?"
Angel: Awkward silence, glares intensely at the floor.
Buffy: "Well?"
Angel: "I can't."
Buffy: "Why?"
Angel: "I've got a soul and I'm brooding about it."

Parody of BTVS season 7 B/A reunion:

Buffy: "Are you going to show up and go all Dawson on me every time I have a boyfriend?"
Angel: "Ah hah. Boyfriend."
Buffy: "He's not. But... He is in my heart. Well... really, he is my boyfriend, but I'm not supposed to admit it on the show."
Angel: "That will end well."
Buffy: "The show? I doubt it. It seems to be turning into a real mess. I mean, look at this stupid reunion..."
Angel: "Well, yeah... why do I have to come all the way from LA just to hear you going on about cookie dough?"
Buffy: "Hey! That wasn't my idea! They made me say all that stuff!"
Angel: "You think that's bad? You should hear some of the stuff we have to say on my show!"
Buffy: "So? We've had all sorts of nonsense here. Theres's been a concerted effort to mess up my relationship with Spike. It's like he's not politically correct or something."
Angel: "Well, I was so much better for you, anyway. I'm the Champion, after all."
Buffy: "Riiiight. At least Spike cares. He loves me. And I love him. But I'm not supposed to say so." (Looks around nervously for B/A shippers.)
Angel: "Heeeeey! We had a great relationship! I mean, remember the sex?"
Buffy: "What was the highlight of our relationship... when you broke up with me or when I killed you?"
Angel: "Uhhhh... when I broke up with you. I mean, that was good. I really liked it when you got all broken up about it. That was fun. You're real funny sometimes, you know?" (Points finger at her and laughs.)
Buffy: "You didn't like it when I killed you?"
Angel: "Uhhhh..." (scratches his head) "not really."
Buffy: "Well, I sure did."

Buffy in Wolfram and Hart:

Buffy arrives in Wolfram and Hart. She wanders around, looking for anybody she knows and sees Angel. He's standing in a dark corner, talking to himself. His back is turned to her.

Angel: I'm a vampire with... without a brain? No, that's not it... without a soul? No, with a soul? What's the difference? Hmmmm. The difference is... I've got a soul and I'm depressed about it. That's it! I'm depressed.
Buffy: Angel?
Angel: Leave me alone! I'm brooding!
(Pulls a mirror out of his pocket -he stubbornly refuses to admit to himself he doesn't show up in it.) I'm called "Angel" because I look like one. (Checks his hair.) Do I? (Grimaces gloomily into the mirror, then turns around to Buffy.) Do I look like an Angel to you?
Buffy: You look like you've too much time on your hands!
Angel: Are you baked?
Buffy: Baked?! What sort of kinky question is that?
Angel: I mean, like... cookies.
Buffy: Huh? Are you feeling alright? Too much sun? Well, artificial sun. Or whatever.
Angel: I mean, like in our talk before Spike blew up Sunnydale.
Buffy: Oh, that. I wasn't serious. Just joking with you. Little bit of pre-apocalyptic humor, you know?
Angel: But but but you said maybe...
Buffy: Yeah, maybe. It's called a polite brush-off. You didn't really think I'd get involved with a guy who sits in the corner all day brooding about his soul and his hair? Been there, done that. I'm not a kid anymore. Maybe you should grow up too.
Angel: But but but... I'm the champion!
Buffy: Funny, the way I remember it, it was another vampire with a soul who sacrificed himself to save the world. Where is he?
Angel: Spike?! You want to see him?!
Buffy: Of course not, I'm looking for The Master and I want to ask him out on a date! Of course I'm looking for Spike! Who else? Really, Angel you can be quite stupid at times. Well, most times.
Angel: Spike's not here! He never showed up here and he hasn't been hanging around here and he hasn't been driving me up the wall! Really, he isn't here! I'm telling the truth! I am! Would I ever lie to you?
(Enter Spike, sauntering over confidently.)
Spike: Well, look who's here! If it isn't the Slaaaayer!
Buffy: One of the Slayers.
Spike: Oh, yeah, the Slayer mass production thing. Assembly line and all that. But there's only one Slayer for me.
(Buffy and Spike walk off together, leaving Angel behind, throwing a tantrum.)
Spike (whispering): Am I supposed to keep sodding pretending I think you don't love me?
Buffy (whispering back): Only as long as Angel's listening. We don't want him to tell certain people out there that I love you. Top secrecy. It's all about avoiding world war 3. I mean, apocalypses I'm ok with, but world wars...
Spike: Oh, of course! Let's go someplace depresso-hair won't find us.
(Exit Buffy and Spike, arm in arm.)

Buffy finds out about Angel having sex with Eve on ATS:

Buffy: You were having sex with somebody called Eve? Who did you think you were? Adam?
Angel: Adam? As in the biblical guy?
Buffy: (sarcastically) No, as in the demon cyborg under Sunnydale U!
Angel: Huh??!
Buffy: That was season 4. You weren't there. I mean, except when you were stalking me or beating up my new boyfriend. For my own good, of course. Adam was a bit like you. Big and dead, lots of ego, not a lot of charm. But smarter.
Angel: You were going out with him too?!
Buffy: Are you crazy!!!
Angel: But you were going out with that other robot guy -Wiley or something.
Buffy: Riley!! And he wasn't a robot!
Angel: Coulda fooled me.
Buffy: And he wasn't dead. Adam was dead.
Angel: But I'm dead.
Buffy: Not enough.

Parody set sometime in the future:

(Sometime in the future. Buffy, older and wiser, is training a class of apprentice Slayers.)
Buffy: "Ok, you get your stake..."
Apprentice: "Steak?! But I'm a vegetarian!"
Buffy: "Stake as in wooden, not meat!"
Apprentice: "Oh..."
Buffy: (To class) "And you stick it in the vampire's heart."
Apprentice: "Where's the heart?"
Buffy: (Muttering under her breath) "God, why me?"
(The phone rings in the next room.)
Buffy: (To apprentice) "Get that, will you?"
(Apprentice runs and gets the phone. Buffy continues with the class. A while later, the apprentice returns.)
Apprentice: "There's a guy on the phone for you. He says he's a vampire with a soul."
Buffy: (Brightening up, excited, enthusiastic) "A vampire with a soul?!"
Apprentice: "Yeah. He kept going on about how he's a champion and he helps the helpless."
Buffy: "Oh, that jerk! Tell him I'm not here."

In Memory of Cordelia:

Angel: My show got cancelled! Waaaaaaaaaaa!
Spike: It's your own bloody fault.
Angel: But I'm the Champion! It couldn't be my fault!
Spike: Get over yourself, you wanker. The Powers That sodding Be must have been p!ssed about the way way you find it so easy to forget the woman you're supposed to be in love with.
Angel: Which one?
Spike: That too.

The Master:

The Master: Slayer, we meet again! This is a great day for evil! Arise! Arise!
Buffy: Didn't I kill you already? Like 7 years ago?
The Master: Well, I killed you and that didn't stop you.
Buffy: You weren't in heaven, were you? Because coming back from heaven can be a real drag.
The Master: What would a lord of darkness such as myself want to be in heaven for? Surely you don't dream I lingered there! No, I went clubbing in hell. Got some great places there.
Buffy: So what are you doing here?
The Master: Is it not obvious? I've come to date you.
Buffy: Huh???
The Master: Well, Angel did it. And Spike. My turn, now.
Buffy: I'm not dating any more vampires right now. I'm cookie dough and I'm not finished baking.
The Master: Cookie dough? Is that supposed to be some sort of joke?
Buffy: I dunno, ask Joss. I didn't write it. And why didn't you try the dating thing back in season 1? At least it beats drowning me.
The Master: How could I? You were underage. You know... jailbait.
Angel: What's wrong with underage?

WARNING: Please be aware that this is an Angel-bashing thread. We will NOT TOLERATE bashing of David Boreanaz, the actor who plays the role of Angel. I have nothing, at all, against DB. I think he is a great actor and plays the role of Angel well. I just don't like the character he portrays, but this is not his fault but the writer's fault. Anyone guilty of DB-bashing on this thread will be turned into the moderators. You have been given fair warning so if you heed the warning then everything should be fine.

"Seventeen" lyrics
by Winger (...and Angel)

I saw sparks fly, from the corner of my eye
And when I turned, it was love at first sight
I said please excuse me, I didn't catch your name
Oh it'd be a shame not to see you again

And just when I thought she was comin' to my door
She whispered sweet and brought me to the floor, she said I'm only seventeen, but I'll show you love like you've never seen
She's only seventeen, daddy says she's too young, but she's old enough for me

Come to my place, we can talk it over, oh everything going down in your head
She said take it easy, I need some time, time to work it out, to make you mine

And just when I thought she was comin' to my door
She whispered sweet and brought me to the floor, she said

I'm only seventeen, you ain't seen love, ain't seen nothing like me
She's only seventeen, seventeen

(Solo)

Such a bad girl, loves to work me overtime
Feels good (ha), dancin' close to the borderline
She's a magic mountain, she's a leather glove
Oh she's my soul, it must be love

She's only seventeen, still she gives me love, like I've never seen
She's only seventeen, daddy says she's too young, but she's old enough for me
She's everything I need, daddy says she's too young
But she's old enough, old enough for me

By Cloudburst & fictionfan (one on a sugar high)-

Angel's lame
He's really really lame
His lack of intelligence is to blame
'Cause it makes him really really lame
He should be ashamed
'Cause he's so very very lame
But he's too lame
To know that he is very very lame
Too be he doesn't set himself aflame, aflame, aflame

Tadaa...

By Cloudburst2000:
~begin dream sequence~ Angel goes into his W&H office and grins at the prospect of seeing the sun due to the special glass in the windows. Unknown to him, however, some pranksters, namely the Angel Unappreciation Thread, switched the glass with regular glass during the night As Angel throws back the curtains with a righteous smirk, he suddenly relaizes that he feels warmer than usual. He then smells a strange odor like that of sizzling flesh. He then becomes aware of a burning sensation covering his body. With a girly shriek, he looks down and sees his flesh starting to burn. He turns and runs for the door. Spike who had heard Angel's cry looks in the door quickly. At seeing a burning Angel racing towards him, he snickers and closes the door in Angel's face saying "Ouch, that must have hurt." A couple of minutes later, Wesley opens Angel's office door asking, "Angel, are you in here?" He notices an awful lot of dust in the air and as he's walking away says to the receptionist, "Can you send housekeeping to Angel's office? I think they forgot to dust last night." ~end dream sequence~

By sum1-
A group of hardened vampire Slayers, armed to the teeth, enters a shabby little crypt in an overgrown graveyard. Searching it, they discover a secret door in the floor. They open it up, pointing their crossbows inside. A bedraggled, unwashed vampire, his hair and beard more overgrown than the graveyard, appears below the opening. Multiple crossbows are trained on him simultaneously.

Vampire: "I am Angel. I am the Champion and I am willing to negotiate."

A Slayer: "Spike sends his regards."

(Based on the capture of Saddam and what was said there.)

xextremex brought us this scene (which shows Angel being a jerk) from Couplet, the ATS season 3 ep in which Gru comes back:

Angel makes his way into the cave between some of the hanging roots.
Angel: "That's my shirt! This thing is not actually made out of wood, is it?"
Fred: "No, it's flesh."
Angel: "Good. (Picks up the sword Groo dropped) Flesh I can deal with. Flesh I can kill."
Fred: "But I don't think hacking it is going to do any good. It doesn't seem to have any vital organs. It uses people as batteries. It draws its power from its victims."
Angel looks from the root-demons snarling face to Groo, who is groaning and straining against the root buried in his chest.
Gunn: "And it's been getting stronger since it tapped into Groo."
Angel: "Really. Stronger. (Groo suppresses another scream) Come on! He can't be that great."
Fred: "He is the Groosalug."
Gunn throws a look at Fred as he sees Angel drop the sword and walk closer to the root-face.
Angel: "What do you think? - Honestly. Does he seem really 'better' than other men?"
Demon: "He's magnificent."
Angel: "Really? - I'd say more like magnificently stupid. (Gunn and Fred exchange another look) Because him with the beer tap in his chest and me with the, you know, just walking around (Angel walks up to Groo) And I'm really getting tired of the 'Groosa-worship' thing. (Slugs Groo in the face. The root-demon lets out a roar) Nothing personal, champ. Oh! Everyone makes such a big deal about the Groosalug. (Slugs Groo. The root-demon roars.) He's such a champion. (Slug. Roar.) He's so rugged. (Slug. Roar.) He's so emotionally available. (Slug. Roar.) Look at him in the daylight. (Slug. Roar.) But you know what? I'm smarter, and I'm stronger, and I pick out my own clothes!"
Angel kicks Groo.

image provided by Doogie
*by the way, is this a REALLY bad wig or what?*

Don't you think the above drawing by Spike makes Angel look like Butthead from the Beavis and Butthead cartoon from MTV? But then again, Angel is a butthead so it shouldn't be that surprising [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img]

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Title Suggestions:
Too bad he doesn't set himself aflame, aflame, aflame.
Dumb As A Feather, Boring As A Board

Buffy & Angel 4eva? Poor Buffy!

The Dork with a Soul.

Spike died for Buffy, your turn Angel.

I've got a soul, God it's depressing.

Leave me alone! I'm brooding.

He's a dinosaur -big, dead and dumb.

Does my hair look angelic to you?

Original vampire with a soul. Before they got it right.

2 and a half centuries. Time to grow up?

The Walking depression, just what Buffy needs.

Stalking teens. For their own good.

Dead Man Brooding.

Lecherous lout + demon. Insert soul. Insert soul again.

Who's his true love? Eenie meenie minie mo...

Tried kill Wesley for Connor's sake, killed Connor for his own good.

Don't worry Angel, Spike'll save you.

He's The Champion. The world is doomed...

But it's MY shanshu! Waaaaaaaaa!

Oops! Soul fell out again. Duct tape?

Me Angel. You Eve. ::beats chest::

Love you Buffy. Bye, thanks for the sex.

Heeeeeeey! I had a soul FIRST!!!

He's The Champion. Great for delivering amulets.

Forget Cordy and her coma, wanna mack on Buffy.

Buffy & Angel 4eva. And Cordy, Darla, Gwen, Eve...

Me Angel. Me good boy. Angelus did it.

No goldfish messes with him. Twice.

"Billowy coat, king of pain." The pain is all ours.

The Big Empty too boring to explore.

* Suggestion: If we ever have too little space for a new thread title (meaning if the title that's picked has too many letters for it to fit in), then the thread name can be shortened to Anti-Angel, instead of Angel Unappreciation, allowing more space for the title.

sum1 · 02-27-2004, 09:46 PM

The old thread was on page 11, so, like Cati said, it was time for a new one. Gotta keep up the Angel-bashing! [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img]

I used the title that got the most votes.

Old thread: http://forums.fanforum.com/cgi-bin/u...44&p=11#000251

[ 02-27-2004: Message edited sum1 ]

Cati · 03-02-2004, 11:50 AM

I'm glad you used this title! It's perfect! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Where are all the Angel unappreciators? [img]smilies/look.gif[/img]

Nirvana1 · 03-05-2004, 04:51 PM

Thanx for the new thread!

ETA: And this would actualy be #2, not 1.4.

[ 03-05-2004: Message edited Nirvana1 ]

sum1 · 03-06-2004, 05:05 AM

Well, the last one was called "1.3".

Cati · 03-06-2004, 08:21 AM

I think we should keep it 1.4

Nirvana1 · 03-07-2004, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sum1:
<STRONG>Well, the last one was called "1.3".</STRONG>

The thing is, that was a joke: FF crashed twice while we were in the middle of our first one and it got me upset at having to start the thread all over again so while other threads decided to lie and make it look asthough they finished a whole thread, I just decided to go with #1.2 and when it crashed again,1.3. But now, we have actualy finished the whole first thread, so wouldn't it be appropriate to put it as our second thread since it is?

[ 03-07-2004: Message edited Nirvana1 ]

sum1 · 03-08-2004, 05:06 AM

Ok, now it's 2.

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progirl · 03-09-2004, 08:24 AM

Quote from Cati:

<Where are all the Angel unappreciators>

Before Spike came on AtS I never really cared for the character of Angel. I never hated him, just felt luke warm. What I always hated was how everyone followed his lead like a bunch of sheep and him expecting them to do so. Like he should have I Am THE Champion sewen across his chest like a big Superman sign and that rising hero music should be playing whenever he speaks.

This season he is full of doubts and his relationship with Spike has been showing a different side of him. I have actually begun to really, really like the big lug. That Spike just brings out the human in Angel for me, bless his little nonbeating heart.

I know this is a unappreciation thread but I think this might answer your question, Cati.
Anna

sum1 · 03-09-2004, 10:25 AM

Or maybe people find the big dumb schmuck so dull they figure he's not even worth hating.

Cati · 03-09-2004, 10:41 AM

progirl, for me, it's the reverse. I liked Angel in previous seasons but starting in End of Days his arrogant, possessive, righteous and controlling behaviour has begun to grate on my nerves. His suddenly bringing up Buffy and claiming she didn't love Spike to hurt his opponent in Destiny and the "I beat the bad guys" speech in You're Welcome didn't endear him to me. I'm not convinced he truly loves anyone. His attention flits between various women continually. I find his character distasteful and I can't relate to him at all.

[ 03-09-2004: Message edited Cati ]

Nirvana1 · 03-09-2004, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cati:
<STRONG>progirl, for me, it's the reverse. I liked Angel in previous seasons but starting in End of Days his arrogant, possessive, righteous and controlling behaviour has begun to grate on my nerves. His suddenly bringing up Buffy and claiming she didn't love Spike to hurt his opponent in Destiny and the "I beat the bad guys" speech in You're Welcome didn't endear him to me. I'm not convinced he truly loves anyone. His attention flits between various women continually. I find his character distasteful and I can't relate to him at all.

[ 03-09-2004: Message edited Cati ]</STRONG>

You now, the last part of what you said is really how I feel (especialy "I find his character distasteful and I can't relate to him at all.")
. I don't really have some obcessive, scary, spitting hatred for him (sure, I'll crack shallow jokes about him, though [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img], just like I would any character, but that is it when it comes to that). In fact, I don't particularly hate him, I just find him to be... repelling, boring. He is so self-righteous and often condescending (traints in people that really turn me off of them). It is like I am supposed to like the idea of him, but I am able to see through it.

sum1 · 03-10-2004, 05:08 AM

I don't hate Angel, I just have contempt for him. And I think the idea that he should hook up with Buffy (who I have the utmost respect for) is an incredible insult to her. B/A's a ship that never worked and died long ago. It being dragged up again makes me real angry.

I actually figure Angel's had his good points, but I think they've mostly gone to hell. And I'm sick of him being built up into something he isn't. And tired of the big-dumb-dork schtick he's been flogging since Epiphany. Man, it's dreary and depressing. And annoying. This guy simply doesn't make it as the central character of a show.

Plus bashing him can be such fun. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

And hey, we've got the real vampire-with-a-soul now. We don't need the prehistoric first draft, anymore.

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progirl · 03-10-2004, 07:30 AM

Quote form Cati:

<His suddenly bringing up Buffy and claiming she didn't love Spike to hurt his opponent in Destiny and the "I beat the bad guys" speech in You're Welcome didn't endear him to me.>

Oh, I agree that in both those cases he came off as a total jerk. I was thinking more about times when he has come off more humble and understanding, especially towards Spike.

<His attention flits between various women continually.>

On one hand he has every right to be looking for love but then the writers have to keep bring Buffy up and it makes him look like he is a big cheater.

Especially when they had him so in love with Cordy and broken by her coma that he comes to Sunnyhell and questions Buffy about where he stands with her. I think the writers should make up there mind because it does make him look shallow.

Him and Buffy are over and the writers have hammered this time and time again over the years. If they were going to do B/A forever then they should have shown them being chase and true to one another.

Quote from Nirvana1:

<It is like I am supposed to like the idea of him, but I am able to see through it.>

Well said! Just when I am starting to really like him the writers bring out his cape and BIG MAN guise. I like the Angel with faults, not Perfect Supervampire.

Quote from Sum1:

<We don't need the prehistoric first draft, anymore.>

LOL! That would be a good title for the Spike thread.
Anna

Cati · 03-14-2004, 01:09 PM

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On one hand he has every right to be looking for love but then the writers have to keep bring Buffy up and it makes him look like he is a big cheater.

Especially when they had him so in love with Cordy and broken by her coma that he comes to Sunnyhell and questions Buffy about where he stands with her. I think the writers should make up there mind because it does make him look shallow.

That's when I really lost respect for Angel.

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Him and Buffy are over and the writers have hammered this time and time again over the years. If they were going to do B/A forever then they should have shown them being chase and true to one another.

Very true. Why is he still being written as a womanizer? He's had three love interests this season. Eve (the sex may have been due to a spell, but how did Lorne get the idea that they should get a room?), Nina (dating her and worrying about losing his soul to her) and Cordy (the passionate kiss and "all the time"). And we're told he's still in love with Buffy. Presumably he'd be crushed if Buffy walked off with Spike in the end. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

From a Tim Minear interview:
Since we�ve sadly been told time issues won�t allow you to write another Angel script, how would you end the series if given a $10 million budget for the final episode?
I�d make him human. Then have him trip and break his neck.

I'd like that ending! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]