Karbear3916

Friday, November 19th @ 5pm(ET)TNT
"Five by Five" TV-14-DLV, CC
Fed up with Angel meddling in their affairs, attorneys from Wolfram and Hart hire Faith to kill Angel.

Subject

Seeing Faith again was wonderful. The episode drew more on the connection between Angel and Faith. If Faith wanted anyone to kill her she should/would have gone to someone else. Part of her wanted Angel back in her life so he could pull her out or give her a step toward saving herself.

Jaxx333

Brilliant episode!
Faiths dance scene, the fight in the rain, the torture scene!
Just brilliant!

Karbear3916

I think both Eliza and David did a fabulous job in this episode. Especially Alexis what an outstanding cast.

Subject

I forgot to add that this episode was when I started thinking of a Wes/Fatih relationship. I mean both he had changed and she well she did stradle(sp?) him for a reason. Something could have happened and I would have loved it if it did. Wes is just the type of guy or became the type of person whom I can ship with almost anyone.

LizMoore30

Watching Faith torture Wesley was rather fun.

Fortyseven

This is my all time favorite Ats episode! I loved Faith in this one. I mean, that dance! Not to mention all the witty humor and a cool torture scene. I've always liked Faith & Wes together... With him tied up.

ROCKSTAR

This is one of the best episodes in the Buffyverse. Eliza & David were right on.

I loved the final act. It was touching in the sense that Faith had faded into nothing but a performer, not a person. I really believe that when the Mayor died, a part of Faith died also.

saturn5

FIVE BY FIVE
The Good;
All of it, brilliant episode that gives Angel it's first 10/10 story. It's my all time favorite Angel ep AND contains my nearly all time favourite Angel moment, Wes coming across the weeping Faith in Angel's arms and dropping the knife.
The Bad;
If you think there's anything bad in this ep, go to the doctor because you're clearly crazy
Best line:
Cordy 'Generally you don't change a guy. Scratch the surface and what do you get? More surface!' (the events of Expecting still sting obviously)
Jeez, how did they get away with that?
Faith tortures Wes, horribly. She hurts Lee too but who cares? Darla describes killing children who 'squeal like little piggies', eugh!
Apocalypses: 4
Angel Cliches
Damsel in distress; 15,
Inverting the Hollywood cliche; loathsome pimp picks up beautiful Lost girl who then turns around and beats the crap out of him! Good for her!
In disguise; 4, Angel masquerades as a lawyer
DB get's his shirt off; 5
Cordy's tattoo;3
Cheap Angel; he doesn't carry any cash with him
3
Fang Gang in bondage: Wes tied to a chair
Cordy: 5
Angel: 8
Wes: 2

Fang gang knocked out: Cordy and Wes
Cordy: 9
Angel: 10
Wes: 4
Doyle; 1

Kills:
Cordy: 3 vamps, 1½ demons
Angel: 3 demons so 11 vamps, 9 and 1/2 demons, 2 humans.
Doyle; 1 vamp
Wes; 1/2 a demon
Kate; 3 vamps
Fang Gang go evil:
Cordy: 2
Angel: 2

Alternate Fang Gang:
Cordy: 2
Angel: 6

Characters killed:
25
Recurring characters killed;
2;

Total number of Angel Investigations:
3, Angel and Cordy and Wes

Angel Investigations shot: Angel by Faith
Angel: 8,
Packing heat; Angel tries to shoot Faith in the leg but fires blanks
Wes; 2
Doyle; 1
Angel; 1

Notches on Fang Gang bedpost:
Cordy: 2 ?+Wilson/Hacksaw Beast
Angel: 1;Buffy

Kinky dinky:
Lindsey offers to 'get Faith off' but she's heard that from guys before (although Lilah promises she'll impress Faith?). The guy who picks Faith up at the bus station is clearly looking to be her pimp but she gives him what he deserves. In a blow to Cesly fans CC proclaims that hell will freeze over before she has sex with Wes. Faith dancing is always a highlight. Darla and Angel(us) refer to 'playing games'.
Captain Subtext;
Lilah picks Faith up in the club. Faith remarks she's not much of a talker, more of a doer
Know the face, different character; 2
Parking garages;
4,
Guantanamo Bay;
Buffy characters on Angel;
7; Angel, Cordy, Oz, Spike, Buffy, Wes, Faith
Questions and observations;
Note that when Angel catches the crossbow bolt Faith fires at him it's nowhere near his heart, she just wants to goad him into the fight. At this stage Wolfram and Hart don't realise that they need Angel for their prophecy so are quite happy to try and kill him. We have flashbacks to resouled Angel having broken up with Darla, starving but isn't able to bring himself to kill in order to eat. All of the WR&H lawyers have the same initials, LM? How does Angel enter the thugs apartment when he's not invited? PTB or is the guy squatting?
Marks out of 10; 10/10 my favourite Angel ep ever

livstevi21

I had forgotten how insane rogue Faith was. Now it starts to make sense how Faith comes back in Buffy S7 reformed. The way she broke down at the end in Angel's arms...all she thought was that she was bad and that's who she was. The way she tortured poor Wesley was nasty, he may have failed as her watcher but he doesn't deserve that kind of brutality. Enjoyed more backstory with Angel and how he got his soul. Darla's line about killing children and their screams was disturbing.

Butterfly85

I don't remember much from S1 of Angel, but the episodes where Faith returns are always the episodes that stuck in my memory. Faith's breakdown at the end of the episode was so sad to see. I think Faith's redemption arc that started on Angel was one of the best things about his spinoff.

sum1

I found Faith's turnaround a bit too pat and easy after so much evil on her part. But I like the reformed Faith in seasons 2 and 4. Not so much in season 7 of Buffy, where she's a bit of an eejit.

wickedrum

Faith was never really evil, she just made some big mistakes

eternalfate

Her introduction to Angel was awesome to watch! I instantly enjoyed her here.

sum1

Couldn't disagree more. She was very evil in season 3 of Buffy. In fact I'd say she had very little in the way of real redeeming features back then. She just toed the line for while, disguising how awful her true nature was. I find her thoroughly revolting in season 3 of Buffy.