Angel - Angel Comics - Season 6 - Page 5

comic fan · 01-23-2008, 01:55 PM

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So if it is true about Angel being human in all, I guess that voids the signature he signed on the shanshu prohencies. Or the powers that be didn't hold true of what the circle of the black thorns said in Not Fade Away. But this story is truly interesting ...

Well we don't know a 100% yet if Angel is human or something else.Or if it was the shanshu.We should find out next issue.

I never bought the idea that you could just sign away a prophecy to begin with though.

Brian Lynch just posted this at IDW.

The mystery character on the FIRST NIGHT cover is not the same character as the mystery character from ANGEL:AFTER THE FALL #5's cover.

amy2345 · 01-23-2008, 02:42 PM

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Well we don't know a 100% yet if Angel is human or something else.Or if it was the shanshu.We should find out next issue.

I never bought the idea that you could just sign away a prophecy to begin with though.

Brian Lynch just posted this at IDW.

The mystery character on the FIRST NIGHT cover is not the same character as the mystery character from ANGEL:AFTER THE FALL #5's cover.

[color="Plum"]I agree with on the point about its not fesible to sign away the prophecy away. Plus w/ vision person (previous Doyle and Cordy which they could tell right away if this was for real or not) I betting its the Senior partners plan to get Angel out of the way since Not fade away he not going to be on their side of the apologies and use this human thing to get him away from the mission...[/CR]

**Miranda Leigh** · 01-23-2008, 03:28 PM

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If you go here you should be able to.

IDW Publishing

Thanks!

comic fan · 01-23-2008, 06:00 PM

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[color="Plum"]I agree with on the point about its not fesible to sign away the prophecy away. Plus w/ vision person (previous Doyle and Cordy which they could tell right away if this was for real or not) I betting its the Senior partners plan to get Angel out of the way since Not fade away he not going to be on their side of the apologies and use this human thing to get him away from the mission...[/CR]

Well we have some answers.

The first part of Brian Lynch's latest podcast where he answers fan questions is up.He confirms that Angel is human and not something else.

Myspace.com Blogs - Your Qs Totally A’ed, part one! - brian lynch MySpace Blog

Wednesday, January 23, 2008

Your Qs Totally A’ed, part one!

Here you go! It's a bit long, so settle in!

SPOILERS for anyone who hasn't read issue 3 yet!

And I get confused at one point, about a question regaurding episodic ANGEL episodes vs bigger, longer stories. But I think you get the point.

Enjoy!

CLICK AND LISTEN HERE!

http://www.angrynakedpat.com/angel/a...ngelquest4.mp3

Some highlights

Brian confirms Angel is human and not something else.Angel is human.This was the pretty radical, out-there idea Brian pitched Joss and Joss ended up loving.He wanted to give Angel a really radical arc.He thought Joss wouldn't go for making Angel human but Joss loved it and was so excited about making Angel human. Joss then told Brian that they had planned to make Angel human on the show and give him a arc dealing with it but they couldn't quite make it work.But that was always the plan for the series,to have Angel eventually become human on the show and see him dealing with it.The hell setting is what made it finally click and we'll see next issue why Angel being human now in this setting is so perfect.After he and Joss decided this is what they wanted to do,they came up with some cool ideas for it.

It was Joss's idea to move the reveal of Angel being human from the end of issue 1 to the end of issue 3.

Brian had Franco draw that fake page with Angel in vamp face crashing through the wall to throw people off and protect the reveal since a person on a messege board Brian was visiting figured it in issue 1.So he admits they lied to keep the Angel is human reveal a secret.

He also confirms that Spike knows Connor is Angel's son.Brian says Connor looks at Spike as a uncle and friend which bothers Angel.

The reason Wes is non-corporeal unlike Holland and Lilah is because it's part of the senior partner's punishment on Wes.They could of made him corporeal but chose not to in order to stick it to the poor guy.

Brian indicated we will see the reason why Buffy and the slayers are not investigating what happened to L.A.

amy2345 · 01-23-2008, 09:27 PM

Well, that's sort of drag for Angel to be human right now w/ L.A. being in hell state that's in. I mean we seen when he was human the last time in IWRY and he had to saved by Buffy all the time. Now, without vamp strength in stuff, EEk!!! Why do Seniors Partners want to punish Wesley since I think it be more Angel they want to punish????

comic fan · 01-24-2008, 09:42 AM

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Well, that's sort of drag for Angel to be human right now w/ L.A. being in hell state that's in. I mean we seen when he was human the last time in IWRY and he had to saved by Buffy all the time. Now, without vamp strength in stuff, EEk!!! Why do Seniors Partners want to punish Wesley since I think it be more Angel they want to punish????

I think that's the whole point.Angel has become human at the worst possible time.We are going to see him put to the test now.IWRY showed the problems Angel would have continuing the good fight in human form but this time he has no choice.He has to deal and show again just why he's a hero souled vamped or human.

The Senior Partners want to punish everybody who helped Angel take out the Circle.

amy2345 · 01-24-2008, 10:30 AM

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I think that's the whole point.Angel has become human at the worst possible time.We are going to see him put to the test now.IWRY showed the problems Angel would have continuing the good fight in human form but this time he has no choice.He has to deal and show again just why he's a hero souled vamped or human.

The Senior Partners want to punish everybody who helped Angel take out the Circle.

Well, it just makes those episodes w/ Angel dealing w/ finally becoming human and now that he is human makes them more important definitely makes them more real. Especially the last episode of the first season of Angel Shasu to L.A. When Wesley uncodes the procheies about Angel becaming human in the first place. I'm also wondering does it mean he's past crimes as Angelus have been erased because I thought the only way Angel did become human was when he stopped the destruction of the world and that would mean that his crimes as Angelus would be atoned. Now with this plot twist it makes more confusion...

Emarie · 01-24-2008, 04:41 PM

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Brian confirms Angel is human and not something else.Angel is human.

I never liked the idea of Angel becoming human (except the part that means he's redeemed) as I find it kind of boring. I'll reserve judgement on this story until I see how this plays out.

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He also confirms that Spike knows Connor is Angel's son. Brian says Connor looks at Spike as a uncle and friend which bothers Angel.

Words can not express how much I love this. It seems like it would be quite natural on the show. Though it makes me wonder if Connor told him or Spike guessed. And finally Spike has another male friend after Clem left. Makes me wonder if Dru will return for a family reunion.

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The reason Wes is non-corporeal unlike Holland and Lilah is because it's part of the senior partner's punishment on Wes.They could of made him corporeal but chose not to in order to stick it to the poor guy.

Makes sense, like their reasoning that he has to look like watcher Wes to remind him who he was and to represent them. This of course makes me wonder if Wes will learn to cope on his own or if former ghost Spike will help him.

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Brian indicated we will see the reason why Buffy and the slayers are not investigating what happened to L.A.

I assumed it was because a.) they are busy, and/or b.) the senior partners made it so no one outside L.A. could interfere. Also in ATS it was mentioned that Willow and Giles did the keeping in touch with the gang. Since Giles didn't want to do anything with them in Shells and Willow was gone for awhile (right?) it would make sense that they are out of the loop. After all if there is a illusion to the outside world that L.A. is normal and if so how else would they know. Just my idle musings.

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I'm also wondering does it mean he's past crimes as Angelus have been erased because I thought the only way Angel did become human was when he stopped the destruction of the world and that would mean that his crimes as Angelus would be atoned. Now with this plot twist it makes more confusion...

No one knew who's side would win out because of Angel, the PTB or Worfram and Hart. The vampire with the soul was supposed to become human after he helped one. If L.A. is in hell, with everyone blaming Angel it seems like it helped the latter. Maybe not, we'll see. Right now Worfram and Hart still want Angel while everyone else thinks the living hell will end when he dies.

comic fan · 01-25-2008, 01:50 PM

Chris Ryall posted on his new blog both covers to Issue 6 of ATF.Part 1 of the First Night stories and the issue 7 cover which is part 2 of First Night.We've seen the covers for issue 6-7 that form one larger image already.

RyallTime: "First Night" first look

The other issue 6 cover.

RyallTime: A Lyon in winter

~*Echo*~ · 01-31-2008, 07:31 PM

Just read issue #3. I had some troubles getting it, so I've been resisting coming on this thread for weeks to avoid spoiling myself for the twist. I think it was worth it though, because this is my favorite issue yet. Things I liked:

- The time-shifting during Angel's fight with Illyria. Particularly the flash to Puppet!Angel, because he never stops being funny as a puppet.

- The reveal that Spike's BMOC routine was an act and that he's actually been working with Connor to help rescue and shelter humans. Makes me feel bad for Angel, since you know that Spike and Connor buddying up has gotta be one of his worst nightmares, but I'm really glad to see that Spike didn't actually regress into a self-centered hedonist when LA went to hell but has been helping in his own way the whole time. I am sad to see that Spike and Angel appear to have really soured on each other since the end of the series, but hopefully that's something that will develop and change as the comic progresses.

- Loved the panel of all of the demon lords of the LA area, especially the slave demons serving as a chair for the Lord of Burbank and the appearance of the loan "shark" from BtVS as the Lord of Santa Monica.

And, of course, the whole "if I were still a vampire" reveal floored me. Great moment, and totally unexpected, even though I knew a shocker was coming in the last panel. I'm glad they didn't go there in the series, but for some reason, it just feels right to me for the comics. I especially love the fact that Angel's great "redemption" actually manages to make his life even harder and even more complicated.

comic fan · 01-31-2008, 08:59 PM

The full cover for issue 6(what came out before blocked out a mystery spoiler character),the first part of the First Night issue.

http://images.tfaw.com/covers_tfaw/4...feb083847e.jpg

Most are speculatiing that the shadowy figure between Wes and Gwen is Cordy(seen spec that it's Kate too) although Brian says don't jump to any conclusions on who they think it is.

Emarie · 01-31-2008, 11:29 PM

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The time-shifting during Angel's fight with Illyria. Particularly the flash to Puppet!Angel, because he never stops being funny as a puppet.

The time shifts were fun, loved all the shifts and how when Angel asks "when is it" Spike knows what he means. Though the nerd in me wonders where the puppet one takes place since I don't remember that part of Smile Time.

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I am sad to see that Spike and Angel appear to have really soured on each other since the end of the series, but hopefully that's something that will develop and change as the comic progresses.

I miss the closeness they were reaching in season 5. Apparently there were plans for their relationship to develop further so I guess we'll see if they do that.

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- Loved the panel of all of the demon lords of the LA area, especially the slave demons serving as a chair for the Lord of Burbank and the appearance of the loan "shark" from BtVS as the Lord of Santa Monica.

Brian and artist Franco Urru are known for these little touches. In Spike Asylum there were quite a few easter eggs.

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And, of course, the whole "if I were still a vampire" reveal floored me. Great moment, and totally unexpected, even though I knew a shocker was coming in the last panel. I'm glad they didn't go there in the series, but for some reason, it just feels right to me for the comics. I especially love the fact that Angel's great "redemption" actually manages to make his life even harder and even more complicated.

I should have seen that coming too with Angels' "they think they changed me" line. I remember thinking that he never went game face but dismissed it.

comic fan: I think it might be Kate. One hand looks like it might have a gun in it.

comic fan · 02-01-2008, 12:11 PM

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I want it to be Cordelia but given the "ignore her" vibe I get after YW I don't think it is. She did have blondish hair when she first was taken to be a higher being though. It could be Kate. One hand seems to be on her belt while the other is by her side. Maybe holding a gun? If it is Groo on the Justice League cover then it really wouldn't be that huge a shock to have Kate back.

It could Kate.It could be Cordy.The only one it can't be is Buffy.Bllieve me,some were speculating on it even though we already knew she wouldn't be showing up.

It's very hard to tell who it is which I'm sure is on purpose.

Brian said over at Whedonesque he isn't happy the full cover was released and the only reason he's commenting is to nip the specualtion that's going on that it's Buffy.lol

Here are his comments at Whedonesque.

http://whedonesque.com/comments/15365

I'm not spoiling anything. I will say that the story connected to that person is the writing I'm most proud of since jumping into Angel's world.
Brian Lynch | January 30, 20:12 CET

Nobody should jump to any conclusions...
Brian Lynch | January 30, 20:17 CET

It ain't Buffy.
Brian Lynch | January 30, 22:37 CET

I'm not making anyone guess. I wish that cover hadn't gone up, I want surprises, not disappointments because people got their hopes up it was one person and then it turned out to be someone else.

I hate spoilers, I just wanted to nip the "Buffy" rumor on the bud because I started getting emails about it this morn'.
Brian Lynch | January 31, 03:00 CET

I know you probably are hoping it's Cordy and you already know my feelings and why,so all we can do is wait to see when the issue comes out in April

Emarie · 02-01-2008, 11:53 PM

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It could Kate.It could be Cordy.The only one it can't be is Buffy.Bllieve me,some were speculating on it even though we already knew she wouldn't be showing up.

It's very hard to tell who it is which I'm sure is on purpose.

Brian said over at Whedonesque he isn't happy the full cover was released and the only reason he's commenting is to nip the specualtion that's going on that it's Buffy.lol

I never considered it being Buffy, the figure doesn't seem to be her body type. Not to mention this is supposed to be "First Night" right?

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[color="Red"]I'm not spoiling anything. I will say that the story connected to that person is the writing I'm most proud of since jumping into Angel's world.
Brian Lynch | January 30, 20:12 CET

Very curious.

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I know you probably are hoping it's Cordy and you already know my feelings and why,so all we can do is wait to see when the issue comes out in April

I'm really not expecting it to be Cordelia so I don't have much hope. I think if she is in the series at all it will be a flashback or mentioned by someone. Even that I'm not holding my breath for. I think it's Kate anyway.

MelBelle2 · 02-02-2008, 12:41 AM

Oh God I hope it's not Kate, why would they bring back Kate?