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comic fan · 12-29-2007, 07:21 PM

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The one in glasses is Wes.The mystery character is someone we know from one of the shows according to Brian Lynch.

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question. Been hearing allot about Cordy returning to the comic series is this true??

Haven't heard anything about Cordy returning.

**Miranda Leigh** · 12-29-2007, 07:44 PM

I hope she doesn't. No offense anyone, just stating my opinion. I don't expect everyone to agree with it. I don't see where they could go with her character. Like Joss said, he felt her character had been taken as far as it could go and still be interesting and so CC was fired or whatever you want to call it. If anything she might do a pop in because she was a big part of the show for years but I don't see them giving her character a huge arc or anything.

MelBelle2 · 12-30-2007, 12:12 AM

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The one in glasses is Wes.The mystery character is someone we know from one of the shows according to Brian Lynch.

Haven't heard anything about Cordy returning.

Well I hope she comes back, she was a huge part in the show and the mission.

To me I think.

comic fan · 12-31-2007, 10:42 AM

Some comments from Brian Lynch.

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So I have the completed pencils and inks for ANGEL:AFTER THE FALL issue 4, and the one-two combo of 3 and 4 will knock your socks off. Really great stuff from Franco, some new faces, some old faces return (including the reveal of the mystery man on the cover to number 5).

Despite all the supporting characters and hell's-a-poppin', it is Angel's story first and foremost. He has some wonderful stuff that I'm really proud of. Angel's a very internal character, always keeping things to himself, but I've learned why that works so very well for comic books. Sure it's fun and a challenge to throw him among a ton of people and watch him TRY to be outgoing, but the real advantage that comic books have over the TV show is that Angel can provide narrative, talk to the reader, and that's where he can reveal what he's thinking. He can be outgoing as he wants. It's worked to great effect in one and two, I think, and it only gets better.

That said, oddly Issue 4 has no narrative voice-over, as Angel is somewhat forced to reveal plenty of of himself to others. To put in the voice-over would be overkill, so it plays more like an episode of the TV show. I didn't even realize that there weren't captions until I was done and read it back. Pretty interesting. I think some of the strongest dialog is in that issue. Hope you guys agree.

comic fan · 01-03-2008, 02:05 PM

Here's some more from Brian Lynch about the upcoming FIrst Night issues(issue 6 and 7) of Angel:After The Fall.

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Got some more art for the FIRST NIGHT story in ANGEL:AFTER THE FALL (here-to-for known as ANGEL:AFTER THE FALL issues 6 and 7). I think my favorite Whedonverse writing is contained in these pages. One story, specifically, is downright heartbreaking. Yet another is such a crowdpleaser that if a comic could make you jump up and cheer. Has a comic ever done that? I hear-tell lots of people "squee"-ing but I officially declare that one story in ATF issue 7 will make you leap up and do some form of dance. A bold statement? Sure. But it's New Years and I'm in a good mood.

MelBelle2 · 01-04-2008, 12:18 AM

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Here's some more from Brian Lynch about the upcoming FIrst Night issues(issue 6 and 7) of Angel:After The Fall.

Myspace.com Blogs - Happy New Year! ANGEL stuff, and the next EVERYBODY’S DEAD profile! - brian lynch MySpace Blog

Got some more art for the FIRST NIGHT story in ANGEL:AFTER THE FALL (here-to-for known as ANGEL:AFTER THE FALL issues 6 and 7). I think my favorite Whedonverse writing is contained in these pages. One story, specifically, is downright heartbreaking. Yet another is such a crowdpleaser that if a comic could make you jump up and cheer. Has a comic ever done that? I hear-tell lots of people "squee"-ing but I officially declare that one story in ATF issue 7 will make you leap up and do some form of dance. A bold statement? Sure. But it's New Years and I'm in a good mood.

Oh please tell me it's Cordy coming to live that will make us dance.

comic fan · 01-08-2008, 07:46 AM

I'm hoping no more dead characters are brought back either here or in Buffy season 8.It's becoming too many now for me and death is losing all its meaning. Plus Cordy got such the perfect send off in You're Welcome.

Comic Book Legend John Byrne talks about the First Night issue he'll be drawing for Angel:After The Fall.

JOHN BYRNE ON FX, ANGEL, NEXT MEN AND MORE - NEWSARAMA

ANGEL

NRAMA: Around the time that it was announced that the Angel TV series would be ending, you were of two minds about it. Being an Angel "convert/geek/fan," you would have liked to see the show go on "pretty much forever but I would also like to see it avoid what befell Buffy in Season 7." So, did you like the fifth season and series finale?

JB: One of the best last episodes ever. And the rest of the season was pretty good, too. No complaints.

NRAMA: How are you liking Season 6 in comic book form so far?

JB: Again, have not seen it.

NRAMA: What brought about your involvement in the 4-page Lorne story for IDW's Angel comics?

JB: Favor to Chris, mostly.

NRAMA: Will it be set in Pylea? Around the time when he was The Hose at the Caritas karaoke bar? When he's the head of Wolfram & Hart's Entertainment Division? After his final TV appearance?

JB: It's set in Hell. Nuff said!

NRAMA: What appealed to you about Krevlornswath of the Deathwok Clan?

JB: Fun character. Hard to pin down just what it is.

So his short story will focus on Lorne.

Emarie · 01-08-2008, 11:59 PM

I heard from many people that Brian has said something along the lines of Cordelia fans liking what they see. Personally I think she deserves some mention, her death did not feel real because of the lack of attention the writers gave it. She was a huge part of the series and they don't react like they did with Fred? That would be like Buffy briefly mentioning the death of Willow or Xander twice after it happened.

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I'm hoping no more dead characters are brought back either here or in Buffy season 8.It's becoming too many now for me and death is losing all its meaning. Plus Cordy got such the perfect send off in You're Welcome.

Buffy had the perfect send off in the Gift and they still brought her back. Two returning characters in Angel haven't truly returned from the dead anyway. And it would be better than the Amys' boyfriend reveal.

comic fan · 01-09-2008, 09:54 AM

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I heard from many people that Brian has said something along the lines of Cordelia fans liking what they see. Personally I think she deserves some mention, her death did not feel real because of the lack of attention the writers gave it. She was a huge part of the series and they don't react like they did with Fred? That would be like Buffy briefly mentioning the death of Willow or Xander twice after it happened.

I've heard people mention Brian said this but I haven't been able to find any proof from an interview or online at his blog or the IDW messege board.I'm pretty up to speed on all the comic related news so I figure I would of come acrossed it by now.Unless he said it to someone at a signing,I haven't seen anything.

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Buffy had the perfect send off in the Gift and they still brought her back. Two returning characters in Angel haven't truly returned from the dead anyway. And it would be better than the Amys' boyfriend reveal.

I consider any post death return a return from the dead so I include Wes and Gunn here too even though they are technically not of the living.And yes Buffy did have a great sendoff but there are fans who feel she shouldn't of been brought back and the show should of ended at season 5 which was the original plan.The same goes for Spike.Some feel bringing back Spike in season 5 of Angel diluted his great death.I cringe at Joss's idea to bring back Tara at the end of season 7.I'm very glad that didn't happen.I loved Tara but I'm getting to the point where death is losing all meaning to me and it is actually impacting how I view the two series.

My issue is that since Buffy's death they've done it several times more and a few time before(Angel and Darla spring to mind).At that time,I was fine with it and enjoyed the storylines but since The Gift,they killed off Spike and brought him back.They killed of Warren and brought him back.I agree about Warren.I've loved season 8 so far but Warren's return is the big low point for me at this time.They killed off Lilah and brought her back via her W&H contract.They've now done the same with Wes.They killed off Gunn and brought him back as a vamp.I'm interested in seeing where these stories are going but for me anyway enough is enough.I'm starting to get to the point where every return is impacting my enjoyment of the stories or overshadowing the story.Some deaths should remain permanent.That's why over in Buffy I don't want to see a return of Anya,Tara etc and any other major character and over in After The Fall,I don't want to see a return of Cordy,Doyle,Fred,Lindsey etc.

Now mentioning dead characters or showing flashbacks I have no problem with.So if Anya and Tara,who just got major mention in issue 10 of season 8,are talked about,then that's fine.The same goes for Cordy,Doyle,Fred Lindsey etc.I don't have a problem if they refered to at times.Like I said,Tara just got majorly talked about by Willow in the latest issue of Buffy.She basically is afraid of losing Kennedy like she lost Tara because of her association with Buffy.When it's appropriate to the story,by all means,past characters should be mentioned and remembered.I don't believe they should be erased from existence.I just don't think they all should be resurrected especially after so many others already have been. This is all IMO of course.

Brian Lynch answers fan questions via a podcast.

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Tuesday, January 08, 2008

Your questions answered!

With my mouth and everything!

Thanks to everyone who participated!

Click and listen!

WARNING: Spoilers to anyone who hasn't read the last issue of BUFFY, or the first two issues of ANGEL:AFTER THE FALL!

Here's the link to listen to the podcast.Really worth a listen.

http://angrynakedpat.com/angelquest3.mp3

And 2008 preview for season 8 and ATF.

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2008 PREVIEW: JOSS WHEDON
‘Stake’ your claim on these comic gems in 2008
By Wizard Staff

Posted January 9, 2008 8:50 AM

Buffy: Season Eight (Dark Horse)
Whedon pens the first two issues of the new year, joining original Buffy artist Cliff Richards for January’s #10 that includes an appearance by a new “real world” character created by Whedon as part of a MySpace contest. Then in February, Georges Jeanty returns and John Foster takes over on covers as Buffy has her first meeting with the “big bad” of Season 8.

Former “Buffy” show writer Drew Goddard comes on board for a four-issue arc in March that finds the Scooby Gang traveling to Tokyo to take on a pack of super-vampires, and series editor Scott Allie promises that fans can expect “giant Dawn to stomp around Tokyo like Godzilla!” Following that storyline, Whedon picks up the writing reins again for another four-part arc that’ll take the series into late summer/fall.

ANGEL: AFTER THE FALL (IDW)
Whedon and co-writer Brian Lynch, along with artist Franco Urru, chronicle Angel’s ongoing adventures (issue #3 hits in January), as he and his surviving crew of supernatural slayers, including Spike and Gunn, continue their battle against the giant Armageddon dragon last seen at the conclusion of the TV show! They might even get some help from the all-powerful goddess Illyria—if she doesn’t kill Angel first.

Emarie · 01-09-2008, 11:17 AM

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I've heard people mention Brian said this but I haven't been able to find any proof from an interview or online at his blog or the IDW messege board.I'm pretty up to speed on all the comic related news so I figure I would of come acrossed it by now.Unless he said it to someone at a signing,I haven't seen anything.

This is what someone told me and since it was awhile ago I wouldn't know where to look. "A couple of months ago on --one of the Cordy/Angel fans was worrying aloud that Cordy might become forgotten, BL--said, "Don't worry; you'll like what you find in "After the Fall." It's possible that he meant to assure--that Cordy would at least be remembered in the story at some point. "

The person that told me is usually up to date on the comic stuff too.

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I consider any post death return a return from the dead so I include Wes and Gunn here too even though they are technically not of the living.

I don't, I mean I knew about the rumors of Gunn so those were in the cards. And it was likely for Wes to return given what Worfram and Hart do with Employees after their death. To me returns mean either alive and/or returning when we did not expect them to do so. I'm really not sure Angel ever died since he's body went to hell with him and in season 5 they went to another version of hell.

I do not see the point of Warren yet and now he "wasn't dead to begin with" even though the First copied him.

Darla wasn't fleshed out enough before she returned and she was only a means to an end in other peoples' schemes before dying again. (She holds the record for dying the most.)

If the return is important enough for the story it should be done, I think. Spikes' role in season 5 of Angel was to be his rival and get Angel to see how far he came from what he was. The writers had other ideas that never got to be shown, I recall David B. saying one had to do with the growing relationship between Spike and Angel.

Since the team is in hell you never know who could show up and yes be dead. Sort of, "how many people are damned thanks to you" perhaps.

I don't have a problem with her stayin dead but I do want her to be mentioned more. Which is what it sounds like if the quote above is true. Thanks for the updates with Brian.

comic fan · 01-09-2008, 01:24 PM

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This is what someone told me and since it was awhile ago I wouldn't know where to look. "A couple of months ago on --one of the Cordy/Angel fans was worrying aloud that Cordy might become forgotten, BL--said, "Don't worry; you'll like what you find in "After the Fall." It's possible that he meant to assure--that Cordy would at least be remembered in the story at some point. "

The person that told me is usually up to date on the comic stuff too.

I PMed you because I think I know what your friend might of been referring to.Since ATF is only 12 issues,we'll find out who's returning soon enough.Someone is in issue 4 based off the variant cover to issue 5.So who knows who else might pop up.One who won't is David Nabbit as confirmed by Brian in that podcast.

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I don't, I mean I knew about the rumors of Gunn so those were in the cards. And it was likely for Wes to return given what Worfram and Hart do with Employees after their death. To me returns mean either alive and/or returning when we did not expect them to do so. I'm really not sure Angel ever died since he's body went to hell with him and in season 5 they went to another version of hell.

I knew about Gunn too and was okay with it especially over pirate Gunn from Angel:The Curse.Too much of a copy of Xander for me.And yeah,Angel being sent to hell in Becoming is vague as far as death is concerned.

I realize it's sort of splitting hairs as far as how dead is dead in the .verse.I guess we just have different views as far as killing characters off and what constitutes death in the verse.People could probably make a claim that Angel is dead when he's soulless.I guess I just view death in more general terms.To me Angel died in Becoming.Lilah and Wes died even though they returned in altered forms.Gunn died and returned vamped.It's just my personal take.

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I do not see the point of Warren yet and now he "wasn't dead to begin with" even though the First copied him.

Agreed,I don't like the way Warren returned.I could of bought a returned Adam much easier then Warren.I'm enjoying season 8 but like I said that was a weak spot for me.I wish Joss came up with more then he forgot especially since I thought at the very least you could say Warren died and is back in a altered form.His human life is over.Sort of like when a person is vamped.I don't like the idea of a returned Warren but that would of atleast been an explanation.

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Darla wasn't fleshed out enough before she returned and she was only a means to an end in other peoples' schemes before dying again. (She holds the record for dying the most.)

If the return is important enough for the story it should be done, I think. Spikes' role in season 5 of Angel was to be his rival and get Angel to see how far he came from what he was. The writers had other ideas that never got to be shown, I recall David B. saying one had to do with the growing relationship between Spike and Angel.

I do agree that if the story is worth it then go for it.Darla's story was worth it for example but every time it's done I get more and more leary especially when the death and send off was so great and more and more annoyed especially when the storylines that came after didn't live up to what came before IMO.Also I think character's return needs to be more about just wanting a fovorite character back.We all have our favorites but don't bring someone back if that's the only reason.And it's not just the Buffyverse I mean.I just think certain characters shouldn't be brought back unless you got something damn good coming.Even Buffy's death I still flip flop over whether the show should of ended in season 5 or continued.I'm so split on that.

A good example is what just happened in the Spider-Man books.I follow a lot of comics.They just got rid of the Spider-Man/Mary Jane marriage but in the process they brought back a long dead character who had a great death and wiped away 20 years of continuity to do it.To me it's not worth it.Yes,sometimes you get gems but more often then not,you get resurrection duds.I rather have new characters introduce then just regurgitate the old ones.

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Since the team is in hell you never know who could show up and yes be dead. Sort of, "how many people are damned thanks to you" perhaps.

I don't have a problem with her stayin dead but I do want her to be mentioned more. Which is what it sounds like if the quote above is true. Thanks for the updates with Brian.

Like I said,mentions of Cordy,Doyle,Fred are fine with me and welcomed but bringing them back makes me antsy.Now I will firmly eat my words if a resurrection produces a great story which is why I will always give the storylines a chance even if on paper I don't think I will like it at first.

~*Echo*~ · 01-09-2008, 04:19 PM

Thanks for the podcast link. I plan to give it a listen as soon as I have some more time.

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I PMed you because I think I know what your friend might of been referring to.Since ATF is only 12 issues,we'll find out who's returning soon enough.Someone is in issue 4 based off the variant cover to issue 5.So who knows who else might pop up.One who won't is David Nabbit as confirmed by Brian in that podcast.

Well, thank heavens for that. I have nothing against David Nabbit, but I can't see him adding much if he came back, except as a callback to the early days of the show for long-time fans. I wouldn't mind seeing Groo again though (if he is the mystery guy on the cover for #5, as people have speculated), since he was a more significant character on the show, and he didn't get to do much except act as Cordy's lapdog while he was on, so there would be plenty of opportunity for him to be fleshed out and form relationships with other characters.

As far as bringing back dead characters like Cordy/Fred/Doyle/etc. goes, I tend to fall on the side of not wanting it to happen, since it kind of screws with the original impact of the death. I could deal with it if there was a really good reason provided and if the character's presence added to/enhanced some element of the plot rather than just existing to make people happy, but overall, I'd prefer for appearances by dead characters to be limited to flashbacks, references, and other stuff like that that doesn't require the resurrection of characters from the dead.

Fred Pryce · 01-09-2008, 04:33 PM

Thank you so much for this thread ! I'm so confused with some arcs of the comics. Now everything makes sense to me, especially the one about Wesley's return.

Now I have some questions.

- Illyria knows Wesley is back? Because she was devastated in the series finale.
- And they are planning to use the Illyria and Fred plot at the same time they were planning for season six? I remember back on season 5, Amy Acker did some interviews when she reveals Fred would be back on season 6 and she would play Illyria and Fred at the same time if we got season six.

Thank you !

comic fan · 01-10-2008, 08:43 AM

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Well, thank heavens for that. I have nothing against David Nabbit, but I can't see him adding much if he came back, except as a callback to the early days of the show for long-time fans. I wouldn't mind seeing Groo again though (if he is the mystery guy on the cover for #5, as people have speculated), since he was a more significant character on the show, and he didn't get to do much except act as Cordy's lapdog while he was on, so there would be plenty of opportunity for him to be fleshed out and form relationships with other characters.

Yeah,that's pretty much what Brian says in the podcast.David Nabbit is a fun character but he wouldn't fit into the story of After The Fall very well.

He gives other little pieces of info.Nothing majorly spoilery but hints.He implies that while love is a big part of After The Fall such as Angel and Connor(he jokes about Spangel) and other types of love(maybe friendship and loyalty) but it sounds like specifically romantic love/romantic relationships won't be a factor in After The Fall.He also talks about Spike's arc in After The Fall as well as the First Night issues and Lorne's role in it.He hints that their will be some deaths in ATF too.He reveals what characters from Buffy he would love to use in ATF if he could.He also gives his thoughts on Buffy season 8 and how much he's enjoying it.If you haven't read the newest issue(#10) which came out last week,he does let some spoilers on some of the developments in it out.He talks about some of his favorite episodes of Angel and his working relationship with Joss plus a bunch of other things.

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As far as bringing back dead characters like Cordy/Fred/Doyle/etc. goes, I tend to fall on the side of not wanting it to happen, since it kind of screws with the original impact of the death. I could deal with it if there was a really good reason provided and if the character's presence added to/enhanced some element of the plot rather than just existing to make people happy, but overall, I'd prefer for appearances by dead characters to be limited to flashbacks, references, and other stuff like that that doesn't require the resurrection of characters from the dead.

This is my feelings in a nutshell.

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Thank you so much for this thread ! I'm so confused with some arcs of the comics. Now everything makes sense to me, especially the one about Wesley's return.

Now I have some questions.

- Illyria knows Wesley is back? Because she was devastated in the series finale.

We don't knoiw yet if Illyria knows Wes is back.I would bet this question will be answered in issue 3 since it features a big smackdown between Angel and her.

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- And they are planning to use the Illyria and Fred plot at the same time they were planning for season six? I remember back on season 5, Amy Acker did some interviews when she reveals Fred would be back on season 6 and she would play Illyria and Fred at the same time if we got season six.

Thank you !

We have know idea if they are going to use that plotline or not yet.

Orton · 01-11-2008, 07:38 PM

Can't wait to read everyone's input on the comic. Just bought the first issue, and haven't read it yet. Mucho excited though