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This is a play off of Logan's "Master and Commander" comment to Rory for what she should call him in episode 5.03, Written in the Stars.
Master and Commander is the first of Patrick O'Brian's novels about Jack Aubrey. Sophie is the square-rigged ship that Aubrey is Master and Commander of, and those who crew in her refer to themselves as Sophies. It is the ship where Jack Aubrey first makes his name.
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Hanging By A Moment - Lifehouse
Push - Matchbox 20
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All Kinds Of Time - Fountains Of Wayne
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7.01 The Long Morrow
7.02 That's What You Get Folks, For Making Whoopee (no RL scenes)
7.03 Lorelai's First Cotillion
7.04 S'Wonderful, S'Marvelous
7.05 The Great Stink
7.06 Go, Bulldogs! (no RL scenes)
7.07 French Twist (no RL scenes)
7.08 Introducing Lorelai Planetarium
7.09 Knit, People, Knit!
7.10 Merry Fisticuffs
7.11 Santa's Secret Stuff (no RL scenes)
7.12 To Whom It May Concern (no RL scenes)
7.13 I'd Rather Be in Philadelphia
7.14 Farewell, My Pet
7.15 I'm a Kayak, Hear Me Roar!
7.16 Will You Be My Lorelai Gilmore?
7.17 Gilmore Girls Only
7.18 Hay Bale Maze
7.19 It's Just Like Riding a Bike (no RL scenes)
7.20 Lorelai? Lorelai?
7.21 Unto the Breech


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Previous Threads
#2 - #184
#185: Because she misses him, and so do we!
#186: Just 2 trust fund brats, in love
#187: Because he's included in her lease!
#188: Because normal's not why she loves him!
#189: Because they communicate on a much deeper level!
#190: Their Love - A Once in a Lifetime Experience
#191: Because he believes in her incredible talent for writing!
#192: Because he apologized even though it wasn't his fault
#193: Because with her is the only place he needed to be!
#194: He's not worried about them, there's complete trust!
#195: He brings out her Harlequin Romance face!
#196: She's really into celebrating a world with Logan Huntzberger
#197: Because whatever happens, they'll figure it out together!
#198: She's who he needed to see!
#199: One more 'til 200...and a lifetime to go for our ship!
#200: They have 200+ reasons to blow out the candles on this cake!
#201: They're the most important factor in each other's lives!
#202: We know what they did where THE Rory Gilmore used to sleep


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The Sophies Tale

Their First Debate




Logan: Don't put your number. Don't put your number!
Finn: I'm not putting my number, I'm putting your number.
Rory: That's my room.
Logan: [looking Rory over] Okay, put my number.

Logan: Master and Commander.
Rory: The movie?
Logan: No, that's what I want you to call me from now on.


Their First Jump



Logan: It'll be fun, it'll be a thrill. Something stupid, something bad for you. Just something different. Isn't this the point of being young? It's your choice, Ace. People can live a hundred years without really living for a minute. You climb up here with me, its one less minute you haven't lived.

Logan: You trust me?
Rory: You jump, I jump, Jack.
Logan: I really should have confirmed that those potatoes were okay.


Their first collaboration

Logan: Oh here, I almost forgot your notes (he places a pile of folders on the table)
Rory: Oh I hope they helped.
Logan: They did! Some guy tried to mug me earlier and I beat him to death with them.
Rory: Hey, I like my research!
Logan: I liked your research too. Thank you.
Rory: It helped?
Logan: Story's done, Doyle is safe, all is right with the world.


Their first dance



Logan: I have thought about asking you out, several times. I just don't think its such a good idea.
Rory: Why not?
Logan: Because you’re special.
Rory: Special, like ‘Stop eating the paste’, special?
Logan: You are beautiful. You are intelligent. You are incredibly interesting. You’re definitely girlfriend material. I, however, am definitely not boyfriend material.


Their first kiss



Logan: I feel like I’m kissing a guy.
[Rory rolls her eyes and kisses him again.]
Logan: And apparently I had no idea what I was missing.[They kiss again.]



Their first night together



Logan: You want to get changed into something more comfortable?
Rory: More comfortable than this? [pointing to her pajamas]
Logan: I actually was hoping for some feetsie pajamas.
Rory: Oh, now you know I'm not that kind of girl. [They kiss.]
Logan: Do you want me to go?
[Rory kisses him.]
Logan: Rory, do you want me to go?
Rory: No.



Boyfriend and girlfriend



Logan: Rory, do you really want to stop seeing me?
Rory: No, but I can't...
Logan: Because I don't want to stop seeing you.
Rory: Okay, but...
Logan: So just accept what I'm saying. I like trying new things. It's new, it's different, but I can do it.


Meeting the family



Rory: I mean, I'm a Gilmore, do they know that? My ancestors came over on the Mayflower!
Logan: Don't try to analyze it, there's no rhyme or reason!
Rory: I had a coming out party! I went to Chilton, and Yale, and why are they okay with Josh? I mean, he doesn’t even say anything! At least I noticed the Velazquez!
Logan: Josh isn’t marrying the heir to the Huntzberger fortune, you are.


Their hug



Logan: You should have told me.
Rory: I didn't want to tell you.
Logan: Hey, if this relationship thing is going to work then it goes both ways. You have to tell me why we're committing a felony before we do it, not that that's gonna stop us, but at least I'll have all the facts.


The Felon Party



Rory: I cannot believe how little faith you have in me! I mean what kind of match would I be for you, if I just went running right back to a life of respectability, without even attempting to join the French foreign legion.
Logan: You love school.
Rory: Not anymore.
Logan: No, Rory. You LOVE school. I saw it. That doesn't just go away!


Her ‘I love you’



Rory: Logan.....I love you.
Logan: Wow! The lady who sold me the bag said this might happen.
Rory: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to spring that on you, I just - I wanted to say it, so I said it. But I don't expect anything. Believe me. I was in the position once where someone said that to me, completely out of the blue, and I was completely thrown. So, don't worry. You don't have to respond immediately. I mean, in fact, you don't have to say anything at all.
Logan: Look, I've told a lot of girls that I love them before and I didn't mean it. So, I'm not going to do that to you. Boy, that didn't come out right. It was supposed to sound a lot more -
Rory: Hey, you don't have to say anything at all. [Logan pulls her to him and kisses her.]

Their first fight



Rory: You have every door open to you! You have opportunities that anyone would kill for, including me!
Logan: No one's stopping you from making whatever you want happen! Go into journalism! Go into politics! Be a doctor, be a clown! Do whatever you want!
Rory: It's not as easy when it's not handed to you.
Logan: Really. It's all so easy for me? I don't want that life! It's forced on me! You talk about all these doors being open? All I see is one door, and I'm being pushed through it! I have no choice! You try living without options.
Rory: How hard are you fighting it?
Logan: I didn't tell you to quit Yale! You did that! I gave you one month, you went beyond the month and it had nothing to do with me! It was all you! Now, you want to change, change it. But don't blame me, don't you dare blame me! You know what, why don't you go off with John, Jack, whatever his name is!
Rory: Oh, I'm not going off with Jess!

His ‘I love you’



Logan: I thought that I wanted to break up. I thought that it was a stupid experiment, me trying to be a boyfriend, and that it didn't work and I'd just move on. And I didn't. Couldn't, actually. Rory! I love you!

Their second collaboration

Logan: I know this crap backwards and forwards; I can't believe you didn't think to call me.
Rory: Well, I'm sorry. I didn't think you were interested.
Logan: Well, I guess you don't know everything now, do you? So what have you got here?
Rory: Well this is an article on Greenspan. He gave this interview with all this technical economic jargon.
Logan: I know the jargon, I'll take this. (Looking at other papers) Are these proofed?
Rory: Yeah, but they're not typed in yet.
Logan: I'll do that, I'll be faster. I type 90 words a minute.
Rory: You do?
Logan: You really only did like me for my looks, huh?

Their reconcillation



Rory: So, I'm just saying that when that giant asteroid heads toward Earth, I want you in that fighter jet!
Logan: Thanks for the vote of confidence.
Rory: You saved my ass.
Logan: Infinitely worth saving.

Moving in



Logan: And you've got nowhere to go, right?
Rory: Right-a-mundo.
Logan: Well... you can move in with me.
Rory: What?
Logan: Move in with me. Paris' place is a hole anyway, I never liked that you lived there. And that doo-wop group downstairs? I don't think they were an honest-to-goodness singing group.
Rory: Logan, that's really sweet. But I can't move in with you.
Logan: Why not? You're here half the time anyway. You've already got two dresser drawers you call your own, and right now, for a limited time, I'll throw in three more drawers and a set of Ginsu knives.

Valentines Weekend



Rory: I don't know, it just hit me! These could be the ones.

Their second fight



Rory: I can't believe it. You didn't just cheat on me. You really cheated on me.
Logan: I didn't cheat on you.
Rory: Oh, so you didn't sleep with -
Logan: No, I did, but we were broken up.
Rory: No! You were broken up! Not me, I thought we were just taking some time!
Logan: Apart. Not seeing each other.
Rory: Yes. Taking some time. Not seeing each other for a while. That doesn't mean broken up!
Logan: Oh, come on.
Rory: No! When you break up, you have to tell the other person! You can't just decide that you're broken up, and just go off and - God! I can't believe I fell for all your stupid tricks! The coffee cart, and going to my mother - you went to my mother! Why would you bother going through that? You had plenty of backup! What do you need me for?
Logan: Because I love you.

Clearing up their issues...



Logan: You’re upset and I wouldn’t want you to have found out like that. But Rory, I love you. You know that I love you. When I said that I was your boyfriend, I agreed to be faithful to you which, by the way, was a first for me. I thought it was going to be hard. But it wasn’t. Then I asked you to move in with me, I asked you to move in with me and I thought that was going be hard but it wasn’t. I have been completely faithful to you Rory! I have not been with another girl. I have not looked at another girl nor have I thought about another girl!
Rory: Except for Walker, Alexandra
Logan: We were broken up, Rory.
Rory: No, you were.
Logan: I thought we were broken up. I thought that’s what the fight was. I thought that’s what the seperation was. Do you believe me? Do you honestly believe that I thought that we weren’t together?
Rory: I guess...
Logan: So if you believe that I thought we weren’t together. Believe that in my mind I wasn’t cheating on you.

Logan: Come on Rory, come home with me.

Through good and bad times...



Rory: I could have lost you.
Logan: You didn’t lose me.
Rory: But I could have though.
Logan: Look I'm the one screwing things up with us here, not you. I'm sorry you're in the hospital right now. I'm sorry about all of this. I don't what's going on with me, but I'll get better, okay? Things will calm down. I just need you to bear with me, okay? Okay?
Rory:Okay.

Saying goodbye



Rory: I have to go with you.
Logan: No!
Rory: Yes! You are leaving for London. Who knows when we'll see each other again?
Logan: I thought that was all set.
Rory: What was all set?
Logan: Christmas, Thanksgiving, Guy Fawkes Day...
Rory: That's so far away!
Logan: Rory. If you come with me, I won't get on the plane! I've paid for the apartment for the next year, so you don't have to worry about that. [Rory starts to cry] There's still a few weeks left on the car service, so use it whenever you want. I know that you wont, but just in case you need to. I'll call you when I get in, okay? [He kisses her again, and she cries harder] What?
Rory: I keep trying to think of fabulous things to say, but all I can think is "Say hi to William and Harry for me."
Logan: I love you, Ace.

The most romantic 'True Love' gift ever...



Rory: He spent 40 years alone in space, just waiting to see her. And he was willing to come back as an 80 year old man, giving up almost his entire life, just to spend those last few years with her.
Lorelai: Now, are you aware when you're in suspended animation, or is it just like a really long nap.
Rory: Shush! The point is, that this is Logan's favorite episode of the Twilight Zone. And when we watched it together, he said, 'That's true love'. [Lorelai gasps] That's true love! This is the most romantic gift I've ever been given!

The new lines of communication



Rory: [reads] Ohhh...wow! Woah...yours is really good. Okay, well, sorry to wake you. I'll talk to you in a few hours.
Logan: Woah, wait! Where do you think you're going?
Rory: To sleep?
Logan: No, I don’t think so. You woke me up. Text me back.
Rory: You want me to text you back?
Logan: You started this.
Rory: I know...but I don't have any of my books with me.
Logan: You don't need your books, Ace.
Rory: Logan...
Logan: I miss you, Rory.

Work dork and work dork lover reunite



Rory: [rolls eyes] Work dork.
Logan: Did you just call me a work dork?
Rory: Admit it, just admit that you're a work dork.
Logan: I'll admit that I’m a work dork, if you admit that you love that I'm a work dork.
Rory: Done. [Kiss #8]
Logan: Now I really have to go.
Rory: [pulls his hand again] Hey, I have ways of making you stay, you know.
Logan: I know, I know, but take pity on me, please. After work, I promise I'm all yours. Dinner?
Rory: Is it a pre-dinner dinner or a real dinner?
Logan: As many dinners as you want. [Kiss #9]
Rory: [pulls his arm yet again] Aw, man, I can't believe we've wasted 4 1/2 hours on sleep! What are we down to now, like 15 hours?
Logan: Rory, I'm actually gonna need both arms for this pitch.
Rory: Okay, I'll let go. Just one more kiss.
Logan: I don't believe you.
Rory: Try me.
[Logan bends down to kiss her, but doesn’t and then walks off.]
Rory: [Gasps] Hey! No fair!
Logan: I'll call you later.
Rory: Work dork!
Logan: Work dork lover!

He flew to her side when she needed him



Rory: How come you don’t have a car?
Logan: Well, I came by chopper actually.
Rory: Chopper motorcycle or chopper helicopter?
Logan: Helicopter.
Rory: Thank you. Thank you so much for everything.
Logan: Of course. But you don’t have to thank me. There’s no where else I’d rather be.

She gave him the whole Gilmore-birthday-hoopla



Logan: So someone's pretty into this whole birthday thing.
Rory: Well, if by birthday thing you mean the celebration of the miracle of your birth, the anniversary of the day when this world went from being a world without Logan Huntzberger to a world with Logan Huntzberger, then yes, I’m pretty into it. [kisses Logan's cheek]
Logan: You really love me, don't you.
Rory: Oh, you're okay.

Visiting Stars Hollow



Logan: I just want you to know that I don't want you to factor me in.
Rory: Oh.. okay..
Logan: No! I mean... I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to be doing next and I know I want to start putting my ideas out and I know I want to start working. But I think you should do what you want to do, and then maybe I'll factor you in.
Rory: Oh, you want to factor me in?
Logan: Yeah, I'd like that. If you're in Providence, maybe I'll come live in Providence.
Rory: That'd be great! But just in general, I'd like to factor you in too.

His Proposal

Logan: You amaze me, Rory Gilmore. Every day. Everything that you do. Everything that you are. This past year I realized that I don't know a lot more than I thougth I knew. If that makes sense. I'm sorry, I'm a little nervous. I didn't think I would be. The point is, I don't know a lot, but I know that I love you, and I want to be with you forever. Rory Gilmore, will you marry me?

To be continued...
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So I guess we should add the proposal to the Sophies Tale? I vote we ignore her answer though and leave it at the proposal... I'm all about denial.
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Hey Christine!

Thanks for the new thread.
I agree with you about the sophie tale.

And, as I posted this at the end of the last thread, I´m bringing it over:

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I haven´t watched the episode yet. But I don´t wanna watch it after reading all this posts I´ve read here and at the spoilers thread. I´m so sad just by reading them. Why did they do that to us???
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Thanks for the new thread.

Continuing the conversation from the previous thread...

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Ya knowing that its the series finale definitely makes it worse. I do feel so betrayed Logan deserved way better than this and I just can't help thinking if ASP was still doing this show it would have never ended this way
I actually feel that it was ASP's fault that it ended this way. She is the one who's always been about "Rory has to be independent. She can't be tied down to a guy. She has to fly on her own." So I feel like she just taught DSR to follow her thoughts. It was just so stupid because they didn't show any big problems with R/L's relationship. There was no reason for their breakup. They didn't write Logan as controlling and then Rory breaking free from that. Everything was fine and their relationship was moving forward until the breakup.

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I get that.. I totally get Logan's side, but we shouldn't forget Rory's side of the story either.. She has quite reasonable reasons for her saying 'no'
She's young that's one of it, not the most important, but she also wants to see where things are taking her.. She wants to have a choice in the matter where she lives, and Logan had all of that planned out, which is really sweet and it broke me to see Logan's face when he realised she was going to say 'no' but IMO it's also important for Rory to make her own choices about where she wants to live or work, and that shouldn't be done by somebody else.

So I get both sides of the story, and I think that's the important thing in this situation.
Those are some exellent points but they have nothing to do with Rory being married. She can choose where she works and lives even if she is married. If she married Logan that didn't mean she had to move to California or live there forever but Rory didn't even say that her problem was a job or a place to live, she just said no to commitment to Logan.

BTW, what do you guys know about the wrap-up party? How do you know who went? Do you know why AB and MC didn't go? /curious
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Thanks for the thread Christine Oh no. Leave out the proposal. It's bad enough that it's been burned into our brains and will live forever on dvd now.
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Tathy you always show up just as I have to leave. I'll see everyone later.
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BTW, what do you guys know about the wrap-up party? How do you know who went? Do you know why AB and MC didn't go? /curious
Apparently the only cast members who went to the wrap party were Lauren and David S (Chris) because they had all at that point assumed there would still be a s8. When they wrapped the season, it seemed as if there would be another year. Apparently all the other cast members were caught by surprise that they decided against another year.
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Apparently the only cast members who went to the wrap party were Lauren and David S (Chris) because they had all at that point assumed there would still be a s8. When they wrapped the season, it seemed as if there would be another year. Apparently all the other cast members were caught by surprise that they decided against another year.
Thanks. That sounds a bit weird though. How could Alexis not know?
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I kind of want the proposal there.

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he can choose where she works and lives even if she is married. If she married Logan that didn't mean she had to move to California or live there forever but Rory didn't even say that her problem was a job or a place to live, she just said no to commitment to Logan.
Being married to somebody makes you comitted to somebody. You don't marry someone and live on the other side of the country. That's now how it works, at least not IMO..
Rory said that things were 'open' for her now, giving her room to explore things..
She's been so focused on her job lately that this 'open room' she's talking about certainly includes her job. What other things could she possibly want room for?!

Logan saying that he's got this life planned doesn't go along with what he said in ep 18, where he would factor her in. I love Logan, but he didn't keep his word and he didn't involve her into all these big plans.. talking about a house and what not, those are things you should think about together, and not plan all by yourself.

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You're one of the best sophie out there

I'm sad and upset about the break up too; I don't post here a lot but I've been a sophie since day one basically. But I won't blame one more than the other; I just love both characters and understand their reasoning
Thank you Jessica You totally get me about this ep!
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Thanks. That sounds a bit weird though. How could Alexis not know?
The news is vague but I assumed from the news - they meant the supporting cast ie MC, KB, EH etc.
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Being married to somebody makes you comitted to somebody. You don't marry someone and live on the other side of the country. That's now how it works, at least not IMO..
Rory said that things were 'open' for her now, giving her room to explore things..
She's been so focused on her job lately that this 'open room' she's talking about certainly includes her job. What other things could she possibly want room for?!

Logan saying that he's got this life planned doesn't go along with what he said in ep 18, where he would factor her in. I love Logan, but he didn't keep his word and he didn't involve her into all these big plans.. talking about a house and what not, those are things you should think about together, and not plan all by yourself.
I wasn't talking about them living apart. If Rory wanted to marry Logan, but she didn't want to live or work in California, she should have said that. I understood from Logan's speech that he realised that Rory is the important thing in his life and he would make it work. So that being said, I didn't get the impression that Logan had planned their life and didn't factor Rory in. He didn't say that they have to move to California if they get married. He didn't buy a house, he had looked a place they could rent (with Rory in mind!). And he understood that Rory wants to work so he mentioned a good newspaper. To me it sounded like he was being responsible. Like he had really seriously thought about it and he had an idea how they could make it work. I didn't get the impression at all that it was either this whole idea or nothing. Logan said that it was marriage or nothing. They could be married anywhere and Logan could find another job and they could find another house. But Rory didn't want that commitment. She still wanted that openness in her relationship also, not just in her worklife.

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The news is vague but I assumed from the news - they meant the supporting cast ie MC, KB, EH etc.
Okay. That makes more sense.
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Old 05-09-2007, 07:02 PM
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but i'm thinking, if rory and logan were broken up last night and he's not in the finale, wouldn't he have been done with the show anyway? i am surprised wasn't at the party, considering he's always had such high praise about the show and all that, also that he was a fan of the show. perhaps he had another engagement, who knows. but because of my twisted mentality, i'd like to think that he was unhappy with how they ended his character.
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but i'm thinking, if rory and logan were broken up last night and he's not in the finale, wouldn't he have been done with the show anyway? i am surprised wasn't at the party, considering he's always had such high praise about the show and all that, also that he was a fan of the show. perhaps he had another engagement, who knows. but because of my twisted mentality, i'd like to think that he was unhappy with how they ended his character.
Considering Matt was probably done shooting, and under the assumption that they were coming back, he probably decided not to go. Actors/actresses only go if they wish to, and I would assume that for those shows who are coming back, they might not see it as necessary. Considering Matt is a secondary actor on the show he didn't find out about GG not coming back until the show had wrapped filming. When they wrapped there were still strong indications that GG would return in a shortened format next season.
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I think we should put the proposal without Rory answer maybe them outside looking at the carriage cause it was a sweet scene just don't put Rorys answer
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