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Old 07-11-2017, 10:56 PM
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NOLoRo #31 ~ Because they just don't fit

Welcome to the NoLoRo Thread!

NoLoRo = No Logan and Rory.
This is the thread for those who do not support Logan and Rory's relationship.
Rules: Bash Rory. Bash Logan. But don't bash Matt or Alexis. They're real people, with real feelings.






"Logan and Rory's relationship has never been based on deep talkin'.
Their relationship has been based on 'Let's have fun!
Let's avoid reality! Let's just go play and party!'"
- Amy Sherman- Palladino with Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide







Honorary NoLoRos:
Jess Mariano
Lorelai Gilmore
Luke Danes
Mitchum Huntzberger
Paris Gellar
Shira Huntzberger
Milo Ventimiglia
Keiko Agena
Matt Czuchry

FanForum NoLoRo's:
1) Milo Maniac
2)Curlyhead
3) our_memories
4) Lindsay
5) ravenb
6) soul_rebel
7) MartyRoryFan
8) Fojbe
9) stephrox
10) Rachael_89
11) mel86
12) Kristen00
13) ABitStormy
14) infinite sadness
15) faef
16) Frattaglia
17) loreliaifan
18) hotdish
19) HeatLightningLover
20) sheryl
21) sherrylady
22) justme1985
23) lukelover87
24) Reanna
25) Lit1586
26) hollowpoet
27) iLuVsPiKeNmiLo224
28) MariSk8
29) Chorus.girl
30) withbatedbreath
31) lyssie88
32) Ladybug81
33) Lauren Helen Graham
34) dreamsingr
35) baylea17
36) BlUe_EyEd_GoDdEsS1227
37) CTUgal21
38) Joy4life
39) True Daisy lover
40) Jaded Joy
41) Vartan23
42) MusicofNight07
43) Forever Eden
44) SupportMcPhee
45) Pickly-weasel!
46) foxybabygirl
47) JeyG
48) Ohmyfudge
49) Louisiana
50) tangofan
51) Lovely Lauren
52) SoSay181
53) Daphnetjuh
54) cwerner
55) pixierock88
56) HH1982
57) Milo-phile
58) ErinlovestheOC
59) No Regrets
60) Giuly
61) ocfan27
62) Meg85
63) LiteratiFan0624
64) xmonalpx
65) unapologeticmocker
66) my_broken_smile89
67) Labyrith
68) Roswell 10/2/00
69) gglover76
70) youandme1105
71) Raja
72) clueless01
73) Chrissie_tvlover
74) glitter doll
75) little_earthquake
76) Cappuccino
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78) :jay:
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80) CheEsecAKe&BRUCAS
81) LooBitteTundiLoo
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83) bokayjunkie
84) Reflecting_Light
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86) sweetee
87) Lovely Lala
88) Scarlet's Walk
89) Nitinha
90) alljess
91) anettbianka
92) TrulyBeen-Charmed
93) nearthesky
94) courtneybangelcakes
95) CooperBoom
96) *Lori89*
97) murphyboy11
98) Rusted Silhouette
99) xxxninaxxx
100) ~carnival-heights~
101) kissmesweet
102) lechin
103) *CopperBoom*
104) OTHlove1991
105) Bella Grint
106) laliXD
107) 22.8miles
108) blue sky blues
109) Ellie Cameron
110) Mandalou
111) Brihoggy
112) thecheeriogleek
113) PeytonMelissa
114) xkellyx
115) eleonor
116) Fall Out Girl <3
117) ImmortallyUsed
118) loganandroryforever
119) watram
120) blue winter roses
121) china tequillia
122) baelfire24
123) Shaded Grey
124) WileyDairyGnome
125) IrishSouthernBelle
126) Bec =)
127) always protect you
128) like a perfect storm
129) flightless♥bird
130) sourburst
131) Alexa
132) Soeshie20
133) Swift2Potter

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"Logan I feel like you could get 15 years into your marriage and you’re still like worried
about his commitment. I always feel like Rory was one step behind, like trying to chase
his full attention and full love and… respect almost. I don’t think that fight ever ends with a Logan."
- Kieki (Lane)








Reasons:
1) Because he doesn’t love her.
2) Because all they do is have sex; there is no substance to the relationship.
3) Because they are terribly boring.
4) Because Logan is hot (no Jess) but that doesn't make up for his arrogant attitude.
5) Because he's a hedonist and acts like the very idea of him having to work for money is the greatest tragedy in the world.
6) Because he's spoiled rotten.
7) Because he and his friends have a tendency to be very rude to people.
8) Because when he has a problem he just drinks it off.
9) Because he should've known something was up when Rory suggested stealing the yacht and should have refused and asked what was wrong.
10) Because he never tried to comfort her about what his dad said, nor did he confront his dad ever.
11) Because we don't like who Rory is when she's with him.
13) Because Logan is immature, condescending, and way too cocky.
14) Because Logan doesn’t take Rory’s problems seriously
15) Because when we see them ZZZs shortly follow.
16) Because they don't have that deep connection.
17) Because he doesn't understand Rory and Loreli's relationship.
18) Because he would rather buy her off than listen to her problems.
19) Because he says ILY just to solve the problem, not because he means it
20) Because Jess was right, he is a jerk.
21) Because his idea of a joke is stealing from Rory's grandparent's house.
22) Because he's no Dodger.
23) Because their relationship lacks everything except sex.
24) Because they have sex a lot and its still boring.
25) Because he's so vain!
26) Because he's not good for her, he let her drop out of school!
27) Because Jess said 'I love you' why didn't Logan!
28) Because even if Lorelei didn't like Jess, at least he knew how important she was to Rory.
29) Because he treats people like they're beneath him.
30) Because even Rory hated him at first and first impressions never die.
31) Because he only cares about money, sex, and alcohol.
32) Because he doesn't know the real Rory.
33) Because he has buried the real Rory alive and left her to dig herself out.
34) Because he's not man enough to step up to the plate and take over the family business.
35) Because he's not man enough to give up Daddy's money and strike it out on his own.
36) Because Logan's silence gives his consent to Rory's actions, meaning he can be blamed for what she's become
37) Because he isn't confident enough in Rory to trust her.
38) Because he was an unnecessary ass to Jess.
39) Because he just left her in the restaurant.
40) Because "take a cab home" isn't a sweet as it once was.
41) Because at least Jess remembers her birthday.
42) Because Logan is just jealous Jess is doing something.
43) Because Rory & Jess made fun of guys like Logan back in High School
44) Because JESS knows her better than anyone (especially Logan)
45) Because Jess couldn’t done the book without her
46) Because Logan's known Rory for an year & doesn't know anything about her
47) Because it took Jess less than a minute to make Rory open her eyes
48) Because she shouldn't have to baby-sit him when he's drunk
49) Because she shook his arm off!
50) Because he will never fit in her normal life!
51) Because at first Rory meant nothing to him besides of fun... This is not a way to start an everlasting relationship
52) Because "Ace" isn't what we call romantic
53) Because he refers to her as a father would a son
54) Because they got an F in chemistry!!!
55) Because their relationship is not based on reality
56) Because 'fun' doesn't always mean forever.
57) Because their "relationship has never been based on deep talking" ~ASP
58) "Because he's temporary too...have a drink!"
59) Because she told him not to follow her
60) Because she needs to drop the DAR, and he needs to join AA.
61) Because his idea of living life to the fullest is getting drunk.
62) Because you know he's never the designated driver.
63) Because you know he's going to hurl in her car (or on her) one of these day.
64) Because his friends & him are the ONLY people Rory spends time with now, she's less social than before.
65) Because he should've been at least decent to Jess, knowing he was Rory's friend.
66) Because he was going to fool around with Rory at her grandparent's wedding, talk about disrespectful.
67) Because Paris is a NoRoLo too. "YOU!"
68) Because the penguins marched through. (21ITLN)
69) Because the fact that they can make blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan babies isn't cause for them being together. (HMKTCC)
70) Because Emily & Richard brought in the reverend to exorcise Logan from Rory.
71) Because Logan's day plan with Rory is: Drink, drink, drink, have sex and drink.
72) Because "Dean clings, Logan drinks, and Jess reads Vonnegut"
73) Because his father is a jerk & as the saying goes "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree"
74) Because his family was right. She's not like them...she's better!
75) Because some people are worth fighting for and Logan ISNT one of them
76) Because she is smart and he's a drunk.... not compatible.
77) Because he's great at embarrassing her!
78) Because when she told him she has to see her mother today he said "so blow it off"
79) Because he was an ass to Marty.
80) Because he's a player.
81) Because he hasn't changed.
82) Because they aren't growing together, they're immatureing.
83) Because everything Rory has worked for is lost on him.
84) Because with him Rory's disrespectful to her grandparents.
85) Because with him Rory doesn't have time to read anymore.
86) Because he may have chosen Rory for a serious relationship...but that doesn't mean he was ready for one!
87) Because he turned her life into a 24/7 party
88) Because "Master and Commander" was so chauvinist of him
89) Because thanks to him she wants to be the queen of sloth
90) Because he thinks he is the last cookie in the pack
91) Because he's a jerk with a Porsche
92) Because she can't blame him, but she can dump him
93) Because he's not doing anything, and neither is she while she's with him!
94) Because he doesn't care about her future.
95) Because Christopher knows that Logan is a little weasel.
96) Because Luke was ready to kill him
97) Because he always jumps to conclusions.
98) Because he was mean to the folksinger.
99) Because he called Marty a servant.
100) Because Rory shouldn’t have jumped...he should have alone, without the rope!
101) Because the REAL Rory came back & Logan wasn't around...coincidence? We think not.
102) Because according to ASP, Rory "needs to make some mistakes" & one of those mistakes is Logan!
103) Because he may have money, but he is completely worthless.
104) Because he is the blonde dick at Yale.
105) Because the felon party was riduculous.
106) Because Rory doesn't want to be the queen of the sloths anymore.
107) Because remember the time he called her 'kiddo'?
108) Because even if it is his first real relationship, is he really so dumb he thinks a fight = break up?
109) Because Jess left without a word because he was ashamed, Logan did because he's just an idiot.
110) Because she had to find out it was over from his sister!
111) Because people may have said Dean was a wuss, but he never ran away and let his sister break up with Rory for him.(for all the anti-Narco Sophies)
112) Because they won't be together for the holidays!
113) Bcuase he's the blond dick at Yale
114) Because everything is fixed, "everything but him"
115) Because he cheated on her at least 3 times
116) Because a relationship requires 2 minds, not 1
117) Because since when is Rory a British ****!
118) Because the new Rory deserved to be "crushed" by Mitchum
119) Because the old Rory could've handled it like she did with Headmaster Charleston
120) Because he had the nerve to trash-talk the bridesmaids
121) Because Rory will never grow up with him dragging her down
122) Because Logan isn't a man, he's a snobby party-boy.
123) Because they don't help each other grow as people
124) Because Rory probably loves his lifestyle more than him
125) Because she only forgave him because he almost died, he's too pathetic to redeem himself like Dean or Jess undoubtedly would have.
126) Because their relationship isn't based in the real world
127) Because Logan is "nothing but a two-bit, spoiled, waste of a trust fund".
128) Because Logan "offers nothing to women or the world in general".
129) Because even Matt knows they aren't meant to be
130) Because she broke a good friend's heart for someone that wasn't fixed.
131) Because her first time with Logan, was when their relationship didn't mean anything, so it didn't mean anything either.
132) Because she ran to a person, who she had never slept with, and still trusted him anyway.
133) Because Logan can't relate to her like Jess can.
134) Because she never told him not to go.
135) Because he never read a book she recommended
136) Because Money WILL NEVER be able to buy her
137) Because when Jess paid no Thank You was needed
138) Because there are reasons why this thread exists
139) Because 22.8 miles trumps 120 minutes any day
140) Because if Logan feels treatened by the "High School Sweetheart"
141) Because in case Logan didn't notice, Rory always made fun of people like him..with Jess
142) Because Rory has NEVER said "Screw You" to anyone
143) Because he made Rory feel like dirt
144) Because Logan didn't like what Rory wrote
145) Because he told her she was a trust fund brat, too.
146) Because he said that he will always be what the article says
147) Because he threw their living arrangement in her face, what happens if they marry?
148) Because he humilated Marty.
149) Because it wasn't his place to tell Lucy, no matter how dumb Rory was being.
150) Because he caused Rory to lose her friends.
151) Because he still gets jealous over EVERY LITTLE THING.
152) Because Rory said "boys suck" and she was talking about Logan.
153) Because Logan is a bowl of soup... and not good soup!
154) Because Logan is "Senestive" when it comes to Writers who actually write books
155) Because the term The Blond Dick at Yale was never more fitting for Logan
156) Because is this is a once in a life time experience then I will pass
157) Because the REAL Rory doesn't want Logan to Follow Her!
158) According to Logan The Long Morrow is waiting in Space for 40 year to find your true love then Rory should wait some more
159) Becasue Rory had to figure out what "The Most Romantic Gift Ever" was (I mean who gives a rocket unless it is Logan who is blasting out of here for good)
160) Because with Logan and Rory you have entered into The Twilight Zone
161) Because true love means more than a pat on the wrist
162) Because he didn't go to Stars Hollow
163) Because he was too wrapped up in himself to care what Rory wanted
164) Because he'd rather go to Vegas with Colin and Finn than go to Stars Hollow with Rory
165) Because when the going get tough...Logan gives up
166) Because he is a jerk, he's even admitted it himself














Quotes:
Lorelai: Listen, I know you two love the Huntzburgers and have already planned the wedding,
but I have to tell you these are not good people.

Richard: What do you mean?
Lorelai: Logan's parents attacked Rory at that dinner they invited her to. They told her she was not
good enough to marry into the Huntzburger family.
Emily: Not good enough??
Lorelai: That's why Mitchum gave her this internship. He let her work for a while, he built her up,
and then he clobbered her. He told her that she doesn't have what it takes to be a journalist and that
she needs to find something else to do with her life.
Richard: What?
Lorelai: That's why Rory wasn't at dinner last Friday. She was devastated. And then she and Logan
went out and stole a yacht.

Richard: Now hold on!
Lorelai: Ever since she got involved with these people, things have been bad. She's up, she's down,
and she should be stronger than this, I know, but she's young and she's Rory, and she's come so far.
I just don't want her to lose this.
- "A House Is Not a Home"


------

Rory: Jess, wait.
Jess: We shouldn't have done this.
Rory: He's just in a bad way lately.
Jess: He's a jerk!
Rory: He was. In there, definitely. I'm so sorry.
Jess: I read that guy the second I saw him. I should have begged off.
Rory: Well, I didn't want you to!
Jess: He'd better not come out here.
Rory: Please, Jess. He had a lot to drink. He's tired from traveling. This isn't him. I swear.
Jess: What the hell is going on?
Rory: I told you, he's tired! And his family's bugging him right now -
Jess: I mean, with you! What's going on with you?
Rory: What do you mean?
Jess: You know what I mean! I know you. I know you better than anyone! This isn't you.
Rory: I don't know.
Jess: What are you doing? Living at your grandparents' place? Being in the D.A.R.? No Yale - why did you drop out of Yale?
Rory: It's complicated!
Jess: It's not! It's not complicated!
Rory: You don't know!
Jess: This isn't you! This! You going out with this jerk, with the Porsche! We made fun of guys like this!
Rory: You caught him on a bad night.
Jess: This isn't about him! Okay? Screw him! What's going on with you? This isn't you, Rory. You know it isn't. What's going on?
Rory: I don't know... I don't know
- "Let Me Hear Your Balalaikas Ringing Out"


------

Paris: You, Logan Huntzberger, are nothing but a two bit, spoiled, waste of a trust fund. You offer nothing to women or the world in general. If you disappeared from the face of the earth tomorrow, the only person that would miss you is your Porsche dealer.
Logan: (to Rory) Wanna chime in here?
Rory: No, I think Paris has got it covered.
- "I'm OK, You're OK"


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Rory: I couldn't even cheat on him the way he cheated on me.
Jess: Who? Who cheated on you? That--that guy? (pauses in disbelief) You're still with him?
Rory: Yeah.
Jess: I thought everything was fixed.
Rory: Everything but him.
Jess: I hate this!
- "The Real Paul Anka"












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Tracklist

Evanescence- Call Me When You're Sober
Black Eyed Peas- Shut Up
Alanis Morissette- You Oughta Know
Christina Aguilera- "Fighter"
Green Day- Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)
No Doubt- Don't Speak
The Used- Taste of Ink
Kelly Clarkson- Gone
Rihanna- Take a Bow
Jojo- Too Little Too Late







Future title ideas
Logan < everyone.
Logan was just a phase.
None of the guys at the reunion were "Team Logan”
Milo and Matt agree Logan's a dick
Two-bit, spoiled, waste of a trust fund.
We dont want to even entertain the thought of them ending together in the revival.
“Maybe he isn’t good for you. Do you really want to be in the business of changing someone?”
“You my beautiful, brainy, fabulous daughter were wondering what you had done wrong. Is that really the kind of relationship you wanna be in?”
Who would say no to “the one”s proposal?
Logan is a one-night stand at best, and the nightmare of your life at worst.
the one night stand that never left.
“I was almost going to say ‘I’m more open to Team Logan,’ but that’s just not true." - Keiko
"There’s so many Logan lovers. I’m just not with it. I can’t!" -Keiko
"Is he handsome? Yeah. He has a lot of money? Yeah. He’s not great as a boyfriend." -Keiko
"I just can’t do it. Sorry!”- Keiko
"Logan I feel like you could get 15 years into your marriage and you’re still like worried about his commitment."
"I always feel like Rory was one step behind, like trying to chase his full attention and full love and… respect almost. " - Keiko
"I don’t think that fight ever ends with a Logan." - Keiko




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Jerk moments survivor

Season 5 winner
5.03 Written in the Stars
LOGAN: Hey, I know you. No, wait-wait, don't tell me. I'm seeing a uniform of some sort.
FINN: Maytag repairman.
MARTY: I've bartended for you -- for your parties.
LOGAN: That's right, you have. You're a talented man. He makes a kick-ass margarita.
MARTY: thanks
LOGAN: It's good to see you again. What's your name?
MARTY: Marty. Uh, this is Rory.
LOGAN: Hi. So, assuming your services are still for hire this year, your financial situation hasn't changed at all?
MARTY: Nope.
LOGAN: Good. Okay, I'll give you a call. Where are you living now?
MARTY: Branford.
LOGAN: Oh, excellent -- Branford. All right. Good running into you.


Season 6 winner
6.08 Let Me Hear Your Bailakas Ringing Out
LOGAN: Yes you did. Don't make me feel guilty for your drinking and partying. That's your choice.
I'm not forcing you when I ask you out, you can say no!
RORY: It's all we do.
LOGAN: It's not all we do.
RORY: It's all you do.
LOGAN: Well, that's my prerogative. You know? You're damn straight, I'm going to party.
I'm going to do it while I have the chance because come June, my life is over!
RORY:Oh, yes, your horrible life, let's hear about it!
LOGAN: Got a week?
RORY: You have every door open to you! You have opportunities that anyone would kill for, including me!
LOGAN: No one's stopping you from making whatever you want happen! Go into journalism!
Go into politics! Be a doctor, be a clown! Do whatever you want!
RORY: It's not as easy when it's not handed to you.
LOGAN: Really. It's all so easy for me? I don't want that life! It's forced on me! You talk about all these doors being open?
All I see is one door, and I'm being pushed through it! I have no choice! You try living without options.
RORY: How hard are you fighting it?
LOGAN: I didn't tell you to quit Yale! You did that! I gave you one month, you went beyond the month and it had nothing to do with me!
It was all you! Now, you want to change, change it. But don't blame me, don't you dare blame me! You know what, why don't you go off with John, Jack, whatever his name is!


Season 7 winner
7.10 Merry Fisticuffs

LOGAN: Actually, Marty introduced us.
LUCY: What?
LOGAN: I'm sorry. I can't be a part of this.
LUCY: A part of what?
RORY: Logan.
LOGAN: They've known each other since freshman year.
LUCY: I don't understand.
LOGAN: Rory and Marty, they used to hang out all the time at Branford and watch "Duck Soup."










Oh man, I don’t know. I don’t know. You know what? I gotta be honest. I’ll give you this:
If this is the last season, I would like to see, actually, Rory be single as she goes off. So, that’s
actually my hope. So, um, as an audience member and also being inside – both ways – I’d love to
see Rory kind of do her own thing when the whole thing’s done. So, uh, that’s what’s in my head.

-Matt Czuchry



















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Thank you Lindsay. I have a lot to say but not enough time to say it right now. I shall return momentarily.
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No problem. Waiting to hear your thoughts.
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Right I finally have time and I have a lot of thoughts.

Firstly I don't hate Logan, he is tolerable, but that smarmy cheesy grin and the way he talks keeps me from liking him. He hasn't done anything bad yet...he is seriously the mustard powder though .

Secondly, where did he pluck Ace from? They had a handful of scenes together and I am not sure if I was making a cuppa , or ducked off to the toilet, but next thing I know he is calling her Ace and she doesn't bat an eyelid. Is it some obscure reference I don't get...certainly wouldn't be the first time.

Thirdly the pacing of this relationship. What was the rush? They meet in episode 3 I think, and she is dragging him into bed in Ep 14 . They have not bothered to build any kind of emotional connection, or any kind of tension that makes us long for them to get it together, like they did with LL and RJ. I am guessing that Amy wants them to have more of a physical connection than an emotional one.

Fourthly the fact that he has no connection to anyone else on the show or Stars Hollow makes it hard to get on board with them for me. He has no understanding, as yet, of Rory's relationship with her mother, or her life in the town. Yes he shows her a fun time, but I just don't find it in anyway captivating. I find myself zoning out when they are together.

Lastly I want to talk about Amy smashing us over the head with a sledgehammer. Watching this show with hindsight is a very satisfying thing. What do I mean by this you at ask. The scene with Rory and Christopher at Emily and Richards wedding, where he tells her about his and Lorelai's first kiss, and then Rory does the exact same thing with Logan. The parallel between Logan and Chris is being thrown at us in such an obvious way and it really makes me happy. Also in the next episode, just in case we were too dumb to get hit with the first sledgehammer she backs it up with Logan calling her 'kiddo'. WHAT the hell....kiddo?
Considering this it also makes the conversation with Christopher in the revival a huge deal. She will definitely raise this child without Logan.

That's all for today. I am three quarters of the way through season 5 so will no doubt have more to say the further I get.

Sorry, one more thing. The Life and death brigade. I can only assume I am meant to be laughing at their antics....I ain't!
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

I always disliked 'Ace'. And yes, you'll see more of the Chris parallels in a future ep.
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A couple of random thoughts.

Emily and Richard's fawning over Logan and having him over for dinner was as expected. Their approval of Christopher and Logan and their complete disdain for Luke and Jess is yet another obvious, but appreciated parallel between the boys. We see Logan trying to pinch some momento for a LDB stunt, which surprisingly didn't really bother me, I guess because I don't feel any particular feelings toward anything he does at present.

However what did naff me off is Rory's response, or lack thereof to his behaviour. Imagine if Jess did that...oh my goodness he would have been raked over the coals like a criminal. Yet with Logan, she is so desperate to be liked by him she treats it as a joke. Ugh!!! I can really see what fans mean now regarding Rory completely changing with Logan, even though I don't necessarily feel it's Logan' doing.

Logan throwing her a party after the arrest thing. On the surface a nice thing to do I suppose. He does act the part of a great boyfriend, treats her well, helps her if she needs anything, but I think she needs more than that. I don't feel like there is any substance to them.

Oh and the handbag . A very effective tool used by Amy to demonstrate that Logan really has no idea what makes Rory tick.

Logan's insecurity over Jess made me a little but happy, but his treatment of him was infuriating. I will never forgive Logan for interrupting what could have been some lovely Lit moments.
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I don't hate Logan, he is tolerable. The pacing of this relationship. They have not bothered to build any kind of emotional connection, or any kind of tension that makes us long for them to get it together. I am guessing that Amy wants them to have more of a physical connection than an emotional one.
IMO Amy wanted to show Rory and Logan in one of those casual college relationships: they had fun together and they even challenged each other a little bit (in a good way), but they didn't really consider anything longterm. There was no atmosphere "the greatest love of my life" (at the beginning).
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Fourthly the fact that he has no connection to anyone else on the show or Stars Hollow makes it hard to get on board with them for me. He has no understanding, as yet, of Rory's relationship with her mother, or her life in the town.
I agree, that Logan could never be part of SH world (he has too many obligations to his family and their world), just like Jess would never be a part of Emily's world (Jess would despise that high society world and would mock it).
But there is a catch. Logan is connected - to Richard and Emily, they are part of the same circle as Logan's family.
We know, that Lorelai hates that high society circles. But what about Rory? Does she hate them too? Or does she actually love it?

LDB IMO represents that high society a little bored and nihilistic circles.

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I can really see what fans mean now regarding Rory completely changing with Logan, even though I don't necessarily feel it's Logan' doing.
Stealing a boat? It's a very problematic behavior IMO. If someone else did it (difficult male like Jess), they could arrest him for quite some time.
What happened to Rory? Lack of Lorelai's and grandparents supervision? Logan's influence? Influence of new friends? Rebelliousness against Lorelai?
I don't know. But I would really like to discuss about it.

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I hate how Logan treated Jess in 6x08. Just horrible.
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The very worst thing happened for me in the revival - the posibility of Rory having this idiots kid. I just hate that idea. I would rather she didn't keep it - there - I said it. And truthfully, the way Rory was portrayed in the revival, I don't think she would make a very good mother. At least not yet. Rory likes to plan and this definately is not in her plans. She's very selfish and I just don't see her wanting to work a child into her life.
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IMO Amy wanted to show Rory and Logan in one of those casual college relationships: they had fun together and they even challenged each other a little bit (in a good way), but they didn't really consider anything longterm. There was no atmosphere "the greatest love of my life" (at the beginning).


Stealing a boat? It's a very problematic behavior IMO. If someone else did it (difficult male like Jess), they could arrest him for quite some time.
What happened to Rory? Lack of Lorelai's and grandparents supervision? Logan's influence? Influence of new friends? Rebelliousness against Lorelai?
I don't know. But I would really like to discuss about it.
Sorry about the dp but had trouble getting this to work.

A lot of the change in Rory is down to Logan's influence. In truth the GG have always had a self-centreed trait and Rory, for basically her entire life, has had the town she lives in worship her and think she could do no wrong - it was bound to go to her head at some point. But Logan and his ilk were perhaps the first people she was awed by and that didn't worship her - I think Logan often made her feel inadequate, certainly in the beginning and his family definately added to that. She got swept up by him and his ways. Logan and his friends saw the world as their personal playground and treated everyone in it as though it was and everyone else was merely a guest. Rory has maintained that mentality in some ways. I think she sees her former boyfriends as still hers - she certainly has no problem cheating with them, knowing full well that they are in serious relationships - even marriages. It's as if these other women have no thoughts or feelings. I think she was genuinely shocked to learn Logan's fiancee had moved in with him - as if until then, his fiancee wasn't even real until she was physically invading Rory's world and making life inconvienient for her - despite being engaged to Logan, it was impossible for Rory to even remotely consider the fact that Logan could love this other woman, even more than Rory. Logan cheating means nothing to him in a way - has he ever been truly faithful? Another woman moving in with him is what it took for Rory to start to wake-up and yet she still went along with him after her turned up in SH.

What does all that say about her now? I could maybe understand if I thought she was madly in love with him but it never felt like she was to me. If she was - why didn't she fight for him? Answer - because she didn't want him - at least not on a perminant basis. While Logan sees the world as his playground - Rory sees the people in it as the toys in her playbox. Eventually, when a toy is used beyond all recognition she'll let it go - even smile to see it happy with someone else - such as with her Dean-doll. Rory, particularly in her personal life, is very much like a child.

A rather scathing review of Rory's character development, I know, but i have found so little to like about her since the college years really. Her decline, to be fair to Logan, did start before him but it deepened under his influence.
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I hate that Logan is the father, but I don't feel the same way. I would never want her to not have the baby. I think having a kid would probably help Rory to change her ways. At least, I would hope so.
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I hate that Logan is the father, but I don't feel the same way. I would never want her to not have the baby. I think having a kid would probably help Rory to change her ways. At least, I would hope so.
See, that's the idea that I hate the most - this notion that becoming a parent can automatically change your ways - it doesn't - not unless you want it too. (Admittedly, it is a sensitive issue for me due to my line of work.)

There is nothing about Rory in the revival that tells me that she wants an child. And there is nothing worse than a child being resented purely for existing. I'm not saying Rory wouldn't love her baby but she would definately feel a heavy sacrifice. I don't care what Logan lovers believe - he WOULD NOT BE THERE! At least not on a day to day basis. This baby would end up being his dirty little secret or resented by its father's family, much like Rory was. Would she want that?

Truthfully - another big issue I have with this storyline is - just that - the storyline, if the show was ever to come back. They have exhausted pretty much all the single mother issues. How could they do it and keep it fresh? Its not likely they will do more, I know, but if they did, I just can't see this story working for me.
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There is nothing about Rory in the revival that tells me that she wants an child.
Well... Lorelai craves for a baby the entire revival. She and Luke could/would love to predominantly raise the baby (or even adopt? - at least until Odette and Logan show up and want a role in child's life).

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Sorry about the dp but had trouble getting this to work.
In truth the GG have always had a self-centreed trait and Rory, But Logan and his ilk were perhaps the first people she was awed by and that didn't worship her - I think Logan often made her feel inadequate, certainly in the beginning and his family definately added to that. Her decline, to be fair to Logan, did start before him but it deepened under his influence
I agree with you, that she was always so sheltered, so life started to seem hard. She was lost and angry and there was influence of her new friends and Logan's influence too. They were one of the factors. Definitively.


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I could maybe understand if I she was madly in love with him. If she was - why didn't she fight for him? Answer - because she didn't want him - at least not on a perminant basis. .
Maybe she knew, that he would marry Odette anyway? And she didn't want to be even more humiliated? She asked him about his relationship with Odette, and Logan was quite determined to marry her. Odette moved in with Logan before that, Rory couldn't stop it.

IMO Logan was alone in Europe, he met Odette, she probably seemed ok to him, they got engaged, but there were still feeling for his ex (Rory). However, he cared for his fiancée too and he had obligations towards her. But he still wanted to spend some moments with Rory before his wedding.
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I haven't watched the revival properly yet, just the Jess bits, but I will after I have finished the series. Just started season 7 now, which theoretically doesn't exist in Amy's world, so I will have more to say about that then.

Some more random musings.

I meant to mention this before, and I never thought I would utter these words, but I felt sorry for Dean when he broke up with Rory at that stupid party. I know...shocking. After breaking up his marriage, she then completely forgets about him when she is with the rich kids, and then after they break up she carries on partying with them like she doesn't have a care in the world. I hated that.

The whole bridesmaids thing was ridiculous. I just had zero interest in that whole episode, until she takes him back after about 5 minutes. Her desperation to be in this relationship is really weird. I see what Amy is trying to do with the daddy issue thing but I don't find it very compelling.

Rory's 'I love you ' to Logan in the pool house was so unfeeling and lacking in emotion that it was almost laughable .

Logan's false smile and irritating smirk is slowly driving me batty...ugh!
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I have watched the revival now and surprisingly I really loved it. There wasn't as much Logan as I was fearing and as a couple they were as they were in the series..boring as hell. I once again didn't feel any spark between them at all. I thought Logan's engagement was a business arrangement, but Odette was there in his bed when Rory called and he obviously had zero plans of changing the situation. And for Rory it was the comfort of having someone familiar in her life when she was flailing, and the scene when she kept dialling his number is Amy telling us that Logan is a habit for Rory...a bad habit.

Considering this is vaguely how Amy wanted season 7 to go this all kind of makes sense. At the end of season 6 he was going off to London and during season 7 Rory was struggling with what she would find herself doing after Yale.

However now, not only are they boring, but they are both being unfaithful in a no strings arrangement. Is this a situation that Amy would set up for a couple she wanted to live happily ever after together...no way in this world.

I agree with the Gilmore Guys in this one. The revival is 1000% team Jess and not team Logan.
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