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NITL(anti Rj) 33: Cause 9 years later still on the outside looking in

Not In This Lifetime
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"Only say NO if you really DON'T want to be with me"
"NO!"



ASP intended Rory and Jess to end up together, they gleefully claim. Call us skeptics.


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~Character NITLs~
Lorelai Gilmore
Luke Danes
Emily Gilmore
Dean Forester
Logan Huntzburger
Lane Kim
Christopher Haden
Taylor Doose
TJ (Gary)
Jimmy
Babette
Miss Patty
Mrs Kim

~ Reasons ~
1. Because he's selfish
2. Because he ran away without saying goodbye
3. Because he said ILY and ran away
4. Because NO was what she said when he wanted to leave with her to NY
5. Because they never talked
6. Because he screams at her and leaves her devastated
7. Because he ended up not taking her to her prom and not coming to her graduation
8. Because she moved on
9. Because storming in and out isn't our idea of a relationship
10. Because he was rude to her mom
11. Because both Lorelai and Emily think that Jess isn't good for Rory!!
12. Because he is hated by the Swan!
13. Because he causes fights between L/L
13. Because he is not Rory's Luke
14. Because he thinks only about himself
15. Because Miss Patty never flirted with him
16. Because he has really bad hair
17. Because she is stronger without him
18. Because he enjoys getting into physical fights
19. Because "chip on your shoulder" is not attractive
20. Because he broke his promise to Luke
21. Because of him, the town ganged up on Luke
22. Because he had to be bribed to go to FND
23. Because all they ever had in common was books...and you need more than that for a relationship
24. Because he lied to Rory
25. Because he yelled at her for not being ready to have sex
26. Because he trashed Kyle's house
27. Because he blew Rory off....for WALMART
28. Because he makes Brian Hutchins look pretty good
29. Because he didn't have the first idea as to how Rory should be treated
30. Because he disobeyed the Beach boys, and left his best girl home on a Saturday night
31. Because he didn't call, and Rory had to spend Friday night cleaning her keyboard
32. Because he stole Pierpont
33. Because Rory wasn't impressed by his little magic trick (2.05)
34. Because he's "way more screwed up than you think he is"
35. Because Lorelai wanted to smash an enormous cream pie in his face
36. Because his own mother kicked him out of the house
37. Because their kisses were like a couple chickens pecking at each other
38. Because he wanted her to run away from Yale and Stars Hollow
39. Because he didn't have the guts to tell Rory he wasn't going to graduate
40. Because he turned Rory into that girl "who lets her boyfriend treat her like dirt and then lies to her mom about it"
41. Because she's soon-to-be his cousin
42. Because even after reading the self-help book, he was still clueless
43. Because Lorelai asked Rory for permission to spit in his face
44. Because had expectations out of line with what he deserved
45. Because Jess can't afford to bargain with Rory when he can't take care of himself.
46. Because "Dodger" is not a romantic nickname
47. Because Rory said it best. He doesnt know her.
48. Because less than 24 hours after his return to Stars Hollow, and Lorelai already wanted to kill him
49. Because Luke warned him to stay away from her
50. Because he and Rory are "ancient history"
51. Because he called himself a loser
52. Because Dean was right, Jess treated Rory like dirt
53. Because in the case of a fire we would save our shoes instead of Jess
54. Because he thought he could make Rory's feelings for Dean go away by stealing her bracelet
55. Because writing a book is not enough to make you a good person. Even Paris Hilton wrote a book.
56. Because he was going to climb out her window, even though Sookie prepared a special dinner for him.
57. Because "the verbal thing comes and goes." Yeah, that's right, when something he doesn't want to deal with comes up, it's gone.
58. Because if Richard had been at FND when Jess came, there would have been a funeral on the show.
59. Because relationships are built on honesty- like the honesty Jess showed by not telling Rory that he stole her bracelet, and the honesty Rory showed by not telling Jess that she was friends with Dean.
60. Because he's an "abonimable thug"
61. Because "he belongs in jail"
62. Because we just want to slap that monosyllabic mouth of his, too.
63. Because "Lord Jim has decided that cell phones are beneath him."
64. Because he's an animal abuser- 'cause, c'mon, swans don't just attack people. They have to be provoked.
65. Because he was responsible for the case of the missing baseballs.
66. Because even Milo knows that Jess is wrong for Rory.
67. He didnt think she could be an overseas correspondent.
68. He had the nerve to call both Dean and Logan jerks, when he was the one who was the jerk.
69. Because he snores.
70. Because Luke kept giving him chance after chance after chance, and he still lied to him.
71. Because everything's fixed does not mean come and get it
72. Because Rory pulled away after they kissed
73. Because his book is so easy to skim (That was a quote by April)
74. Because he admitted that doesn't even know what love is. (Love, huh?)
75. Because even birds can get stuck in his gel filled hair.
76. Because even Rory called him a punk.
77. Because nothing says love like ignoring your Great-uncle's funeral.
78. Because Slacker does not mean true love.
79. Because even Luke admits Jess is not right for Rory...she needs a prince...(like Logan)
80. Because she never said that she loved him.
81. Because he called Lorelai ma'am
82. Because he made her question her dreams
83. Because Rory is good natured, and Jess is just...NASTY! Not a good combo!
84. Because he doesnt fit into the merger
85. Because he wouldn't accept the life she wants to lead.
86. Because he doesn't support her dreams, and barely has any of his own.
87. Because a successful business woman living a new york slob life doesn't make sense
89. Because he's a schmuck
90. Because he only brings more sad faced Lorelai
91. Because no means no
92. Because he was just the default guy for Tristan
93. Because he was brought as just another conflict for L/L

"I’m sorry, but when my daughter comes home BROKEN I get to HATE the guy who broke her!"


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"That kid is WAY more SCREWED UP than you think he is."

~Our NITL Alphabet~
A - Arrogant, annoying, abnoxious, air head
B - Bully, brat
C - Condescending, callous, closet stuffer
D - Drop out, deadbeat, disrespectful
E - Exculpatory
F - Flunkie, Fatuous
G - Gel, gel overloader, gel boy, groper
H - Haircut, hangover inducing
I - Irritating, irrational, irate, ignoble, inimical, immature
J - Judgemental, jerk, jejune
K - Klepto, killjoy, knave
L - Loser, liar, lame
M - Moron, monosyllabic, mean
N - Nasty
O - Obnoxious, ornery
P - Pig, pugnacious, prank caller, puerile
R - Rude, runner
S - Stalker, self-centered, selfish
T - Tacky, terrible, tongue shover
U - Useless
V - Vile
W - Whiny, wasteful S6 storyline
Y - Yuckey
X - 'Cause that's all he is to Rory
Z - Zero

"How can you let your daughter be with that ABOMINABLE THUG?"


~Memorable NITL Quotes~

Jess: What are you sleeping with him or something?
Lorelai: Excuse me?
Jess: I don't know. The whole starry eyed 'you're so much better off, just give it a chance' speech.
You're either really naïve, or you're getting some.
Lorelai: Ugh. There have been very few moments in my life where I have actually wished I had one of those enormous cream pies you can just smash in someone's face, but this is definitely one of them.


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Luke: Where's Jess?
Lorelai: Outside working on his "Breakfast Club" audition. He's getting good.
Luke: What?
Lorelai: Luke, I'm sorry. That kid is way more screwed up than you think he is.

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Luke: You stay away from her while you're here.
Jess: Stay away from who?
Luke: You know who I mean.
Jess: Gee, you're so cryptic.
Luke: You've done all the damage there you're gonna, okay?


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Emily: How can you let your daughter be with that abominable thug?
Lorelai: Mom –
Emily: First he arrives late, how disrespectful is that? Then he’s rude to Rory, rude to me.
Lorelai: Mom –
Emily: Oh, and that attitude – I wanted to slap that monosyllabic mouth of his. And God forbid they’re in another accident together or his heap of a car breaks down and Lord Jim has decided cell phones are beneath him and they’re stranded in the middle of nowhere. How can you let this happen? He had a black eye. He belongs in jail!

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Lorelai: I know you think that Jess is your friend, but he’s not. He is a completely out of control, really angry kid who has no respect for Luke, who has no respect for me. . .

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~Jess' Rules To A Successful Relationship~
Rule 1: Use words..not sentences.
Rule 2: Its sex--not making love
Rule 3: Tell her off if she chooses not to comply with your sexual needs.
Rule 4: Throw her out like trash
Rule 5: Romance is sex in the backseat of a car.
Rule 6: Why spend time with your girlfriend when you can work at Walmart?
Rule 7: Mocking family portraits is the way to go.
Rule 8: There is no such thing as too little hair gel.
Rule 9: Being rude to her family members is A-OK.
Rule 10: Mock the rich lifestyle because working at WalMart will never get you there
Rule 11: Play the victim--its works everytime
Rule 12: Treat her like dirt--she'll keep coming back for more.
Rule 13: Don't take her where she wants to go--do what you want
Rule 14: Keep her waiting for your call on a Friday night
Rule 15: Pick on animals, swans are a good choice.
Rule 16: Tell her to run off with you and live in a sack
Rule 17: Tell her current boyfriend he is a jerk when you were one
Rule 18: Always yell at her when something doesn't please you
Rule 19: Always run away when things get ugly.
Rule 20: Tell her you love her, but drive away right after that.
Rule 21: Make a move towards her even if she has a boyfriend.
Rule 22: Make a move towards her if she shows up where you are alone.
Rule 23: Always tell her a lie, doesn't matter what the lie is about.
Rule 24: Leave without saying goodbye.
Rule 25: After you leave, prank call her all the time.
Rule 26: If she does something you don't like, she's wrong. You're right.
Rule 27: Meet her family for the first time with a black eye
Rule 28: Only go to events with her when you see her ex boyfriend
Rule 29: Don't listen to the advice of a self help book
Rule 30: Make sure she is home on a Saturday night waiting for your call.
Rule 31: Even if you are wrong, you are the only one with the right to be mad.
Rule 32: Have fights with her current/ex boyfriends
Rule 33: Remember that you are perfect--everything else must be fixed.
le 34: Steal the bracelet that her boyfriend gave her
Rule 35: Only go to family dinners when your being bribed
Rule 36: Mock those who love you and want to help.
Rule 37: Stick your nose in where it doesn't belong--cause problems.
Rule 38: Take credit when problems YOU caused have been fixed by others.
Rule 39: Blame other people for problems you caused
Rule 40: Leave without telling her where/when/why/
Rule 41: When she goes to a certain event alone, that automatically makes her single and available no matter what her dating status was when you left her.
Rule 42: Use your wal mart money to buy yourself out of an argument.
Rule 43: Stalk her until she gives in.
Rule 44: Disappear into a bedroom and she will come and find you.
Rule 45: If nothing else is available, a tree is a good make out place.
Rule 46: No matter the situation, no mean yes.
Rule 47: Taking something from someone you care about without asking, is always BORROWING not stealing!
Rule 48: Take whatever you want, whenever you want. If people look annoyed, dont worry. Its because they secretly wish they were you
Rule 49: You can miss as much school as you want for wal mart--you are smarter than anyone and everyone
Rule 50: Bras in the backseat are a sign of your manliness. Collect as many as possible
Rule 51: You are automatically the smartest person in your class if you read and defy other peoples property by writing in the margins of there books
Rule 52: Say you don't deserve rejection even though you do
Rule 53: Refuse people's help--my rules are all you need.
Rule 54: I am God...remember that
Rule 55: Don’t aspire for much---that’s not my style.
Rule 56: Put your uncle and Girlfriends mother in the position they to tell her you left town
Rule 57: Never apologize for your actions
Rule 58: Never Learn from your mistakes
Rule 59: No matter what people say, you fixed her by yelling at her and repeating the same thing 500 times
Rule 60: When something happens that you dislike--use the magic line "what's going ooooooonnnnnn" and repeat it as many times as necessary!
Rule 61: Mock two people who actually have a real friendship
Rule 62: Always have a scowl on your face
Rule 63: Always answer in a monosybolic answer
Rule 64: Don't make any effort to make any body feel welcome(Logan might not have been on his best behavior, but Jess didn't exactly go out of his way to make him feel okay)
Rule 65: Yell at a girl that you haven't seen for two years
Rule 66: Run away after you wrecked someone's car
Rule 67: Mock two people who actually have a healthy relationship
Rule 68: Simply because people are connected to you or the ones you supposedly love in some way, shape or form, does not automatically mean that you have to be nice to them.
Rule 69: If someone offers you a coke, and you accept it even if you don't like the coke, that automatically makes you the friendliest and most chatty one in the group
Rule 70: Relationships are all about compromise...that is..her compromising her life for you not vice versa.
Final Rule: If all else fails, write a book.


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Can you add me please?

And here's an article I pretty much agree with:

https://www.romper.com/p/17-reasons-...iend-ever-6835
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Thanks for the add! It baffles me how so many people can support an abusive boyfriend? But that might be a sign of how numb society has become towards abusive, unhealthy personalities? And for those people who say "oh, that's when he was a kid, he's grown out of it now", I'll tell you that in my experience, people like that NEVER grow out of it, it just manifests in different ways.
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Thanks for the argument and it's everything I have been saying. Jess maybe can outgrow it with someone else but with Rory I feel the past will always be there
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Thanks for the add! It baffles me how so many people can support an abusive boyfriend? But that might be a sign of how numb society has become towards abusive, unhealthy personalities? And for those people who say "oh, that's when he was a kid, he's grown out of it now", I'll tell you that in my experience, people like that NEVER grow out of it, it just manifests in different ways.
No, no, no. . Just a moment! Just a moment!
It was definitively NOT an abusive relationship, because network didn't recognize it as an abusive. Network has advertised Jess and Rory a lot. At times it seemed, that they were officially "team Jess". Do you really think, that they would ship an abusive relationship? Absolutely not.

Jess was a "bad boy" as teenager and he has made many stupid things. His behavior at Lane's party was very bad. What he did, was almost on the border, but he has stopped after a few seconds (if that is an excuse).
But try to understand Jess too. He was raised by single (drug addict (?)) mother. He had no stability, no support, he didn't know how to communicate.
Amy says, that Jess is much better as an adult. Then he is. Many wild teenagers turn into boring adults.

I am also suspicious about Jess/Rory future, because their relationship might bring too much pain to both of them, and Rory and Jess could be happier with other people (I would really like to discuss in the future how much Rory has changed and moved further away from Jess).
But I really love Jess. His connection with Luke is special, and his transformation is one of great parts of the series. Besides, Logan and Dean have their share of mistakes (for example, they are both cheaters) too.

As for an article, there are some inconsistencies. The car crash was an accident, Dean probably hurt Lindsey much more, than Jess hurt Shane (although Jess wasn't quite "a perfect boyfriend" to Shane), Rory missed her mother's graduation because SHE was being selfish, etc. Well, yeah, he did some foolish things.

Btw, I am a fan of Logan and of Jess.

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Sorry, but I'll have to disagree with you on Jess, I am clearly NOT a fan. The only context I like him in is his relationship with Luke, otherwise, I HATED him with Rory and as a boyfriend in general. And yes, I've seen friends of mine make excuse after excuse for abusive behavior (yes I consider his behavior to be abusive) and have even seen it waved off on TV before, so I see it a little differently than you. This is an Anti Rory/Jess thread so you'll get a bunch of negativity towards Jess here.
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It was definetly a problematic relationship especially scaring the scene in Kyle bedroom
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It was definetly a problematic relationship especially scaring the scene in Kyle bedroom
Problematic is an understatement. That scene scared the crap out of me and if that's not a HUGE red flag to get the hell out of that relationship then I don't know what is?! Logan had his fair share of misgivings, he wasn't perfect either, but he NEVER forced himself on her!
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Sorry, but I'll have to disagree with you on Jess, I am clearly NOT a fan. The only context I like him in is his relationship with Luke, otherwise, I HATED him with Rory and as a boyfriend in general. And yes, I've seen friends of mine make excuse after excuse for abusive behavior (yes I consider his behavior to be abusive) and have even seen it waved off on TV before, so I see it a little differently than you. This is an Anti Rory/Jess thread so you'll get a bunch of negativity towards Jess here.
What kills me is the same people scream bloody murder about Dean's supposed abusive behavior. Which consists from what I can tell of losing his temper a couple of times over five years and reacting badly at the age of 16 when Rory didn't say she loved him back. All his devotion, catering to Rory and Lorelai's whims, etc. is completely ignored, while Jess's constant anger and disregard for Rory is whitewashed.
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Yeah I hate the way people exaggerate deans flaws as well
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I am not sure, if I am allowed to be in this thread. because I don't hate Jess. But I would really like to discuss, what future holds for Rory (will she be with Logan, will there be "her Max" or will she be with Jess). I could leave, if you want.

Bedroom incident with Jess and Rory could lead into the horrible direction. But it only lasted a few seconds. And Amy Sherman Palladino never acknowledged that incident again. So, I interpret it as a Jess's step into wrong direction, but Jess's self-control and Jess's decency still managed to prevent the worst. It doesn't make it ok though, but... I liked Jess very much in previous episodes, before this incident even happened. I sympathized with his difficult childhood. He is always on the brink...

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Yeah I hate the way people exaggerate deans flaws as well
IMO Dean was definitively Rory's sweetest and kindest boyfriend (Although he became quite jealous in latter seasons). But they were too young. She would always ask herself: "What have I lost?" It was just simply too early.
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You can stay as long as your okay with things being negative towards Jess.

The scene in kyle bedroom is hard for me especially when I wrote it in a fanfic and I was suprised how I didn't have to change anything to show jess in the wrong. Plus I have experienced being pressured
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