fox24

Yeah the jess points we're very well made

Talula78

“I’m so tired of fighting. Or not even fighting because he won’t fight. He just gets mad and disappears and then comes back and I don’t like how I feel and I don’t like what I do.”

Sounds like a REAL healthy & supportive relationship, doesn’t it?

Talula78

Can anyone here imagine Jess living in Stars Hollow with Rory and not his baby? Jess always resented Stars Hollow and its residents, including his supposed love's own family. Jess is way too manipulative and selfish and angry for me to ever want Rory to be with him.

huntzmore

Jess is the type of person who needs to be with people of like mind. He has little respect for anyone else. I don't mean have the exact same opinion but those with the same interests and way of life. Yes, he grew to love Luke but no way would they be friends if Luke wasn't his father figure.

Jess is also a loner. He would not thrive in a place where everybody knows everybody and wants to know everything about everybody. He would not thrive in a place that values group participation in town halls and town events. And he's not the type to do things just because it's what makes others happy.

Sure he's helping his family in AYITL but he's not amongst them. He's still an outsider.

So no I don't see him thriving in Stars Hollow.

And him being the father figure for Rory's baby? Only if Rory allowed Jess to be the only father figure. Only if Rory didn't let any of the baby's other family be a part of their lives. And Rory doesn't have complete say over that. Especially if the baby is Logan's. He has the resources to make sure the child is part of his life. Can you imagine Jess respecting that? I can't. I imagine he would make everybody feel like ****. As always. Though Jess's role on the show is to cause conflict in the other relationship so this would cause plenty.

Imo, the reason I don't want Jess and Rory endgame (I mean besides the events of late season 3 making him a never again) is probably the reason others want them together. Jess tells Rory he knows her best and he tells her what to think and/or that her decisions suck and/or that she should be doing this or that. Jess doesn't get Rory to tell him her mind he tells her, her mind. That's mot a partner.

Jess also doesn't stick around to know Rory. They have never spent a lot of time together. They were blocked in s2 because of school and that she was dating Dean. Plus there were Lorelai issues. Rory wasn't around during the summer, then he was dating Shane and Rory Dean. Plus she had huge senior year at school responsibilities and he worked 80 hours a week. Then he ran away for a year. I really don't understand how people think Jess can know Rory so well. He can read people but that isn't some intimate soulmate bull**** a chunk of fans swears by. It's Jess's personality to read and judge people. The fact that he tells Rory he knows her and makes like how he sees things is the right way just doesn't set well. But especially after the events of late season 3.

Talking about the events of late season 3, certain fans going Jess was only 18 and it wasn't about sex but that he was sad-mad about school/life-as if either is an excuse. And the last part makes it worse imo. It wasn't about Jess wanting to be intimate with the girl he loves. It was about not wanting to deal with his issues. It was about him not wanting to deal Rory into his life but him being willing to forget it using sex. At best it was Jess using Rory the same way he used Shane. But she was willing and Rory needed more. And Jess turning consent back onto Rory. It's beyond vile imo.

And certain fans thinking Rory owed Jess more in season 4 and season 6 makes my blood boil. Jess ghosted Rory after he made her messed up about what she did or didn't do as a girlfriend. He ran away without having any real conversation with Rory. Then he sprung his feelings on her a year later. Then he asked her to run away with him because he knew it's what they both wanted. He so didn't Rory. He can never know Rory because he knew Rory and that is who Rory must be. Revival Jess didn't judge Rory but that was because she was already judging herself. He was used as a Jiminy Cricket conscience and not a real character.

Also, I need to vent, fanvids still use the scene in Kyle's bedroom to show an intimate moment between Rory and Jess. I know that isn't a complaint against Jess but it really boils my blood.

fox24

Yeah rory is not a saint but she didn't owe jess anything in s6 and s4.

I need couple moments in order for me to root for a couple now I get some couple do not get them cause they didn't become a couple till end of the movie or tv show. However, Rj does not fall under this they had all of s3 and they were crappy

tanaja

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to post. However, I really like some of the last posts (huntzmore's long post, but also others: fox24, Talula78) and I would like to sparkle a little bit of a debate. Feel free to delite this post though, because I don't hate Jess.

I don't see Jess as Rory romantic partner, but as a very close family member, who will support her and "protect" her and her child from Huntzberger family (if she won't be with Logan and especially if Logan will be married).
Jess would be a "cool uncle" to her child.
I could see him picking fights with Logan's family, opposing their methods of upbringing a child etc.

I agree, that Jess would not live in SH, but in revival Rory doesn't want to live there either. So, they might live in the same place (Brooklyn for example) and be very close friends.

IMO ultimately Rory would side with the Huntzbergers, although that would hurt Lorelai and Luke too (I could see a huge ideological/political conflict between the families).

Yes, Jess thinks that he knows Rory. But he actually only knows Lorelai's and Luke's world and he thinks, that Rory is similar to them. But we don't know, who Rory trully is, because she hasn't decided yet. She is still "lost" and still searching for herself.

Talula78

Great posts! I have a lot to respond to but I'm in a hurry for work. I'll be back.

fox24

I don't know how I feel about rj being friends the only fic I enjoyed was where Tristan and Jess were roomates

tanaja

I understand your point.
However, that would be difficult to avoid in one form or another. They are both very close to Luke, he is Rory's stepfather and main father figure for Jess. And I could only see them becoming closer(family members) with time.

Although they dated it was short short-lived and they never slept togezher (Amy must have had always planed it that way) - so there is no awkwardness there.
I don't see Jess as someone who would help Rory raise someone else's baby, and Rory is also not in love with him at the moment, but Jess and Rory are both so important to Lorelai and Luke, they will all always be very close. IMO Rory and Jess will always be good friends. I could see their children playing together and spending holidays together.

Logan (if Rory will be with him) probably won't love that, but Jess is now family, and he will always be.

fox24

I like to think of them as family members who see each other on rare occassions

BlondieLeigh

I don't even consider them good friends tbh, he treated her so badly, no one needs friends like that.

Drunk On You

I don't understand why people want them together. I never saw it. He was a horrible boyfriend to her. To me it seemed like the only time he was really good to her was when she was with another guy.

huntzmore

I get People responding to Alexis&Milo's natural chemistry but OS Jess is a little sh-t and everything is explained away as if that excuses the behavior.

Jess came in and was constantly going at everybody. He was rarely nice to anyone. He would ask Rory directly what she did with Dean and constantly make Dean seem less in front of Rory. It always felt like he was inserting himself into their relationship. Not in a usual triangle of being there proving how wonderful, great and different. He actively went at Dean in front of and directly to Rory. And he mocked her town, the people in the town, he and her mom didn't get along and he even wasn't nice to Luke most of the time.

When I rewatch the show all I see is Jess judging Rory at every turn. The same as he does with everybody else. He nitpicks at everything. He knows Rory, he tells her this as if that makes his opinion matter more. He's in Rory's head and expects her to act the way he thinks she will. When she doesn't, it's mind blowing to him. He even gets loud and confrontational when Rory doesn't act the way he expects her too.

The best and worst of Jess is him "knowing" people and going at their decisions and being in their heads, thinking for and judging them. Some people love that about him but there is just no chance to think or adapt or even be other parts of the self you've always been. He doesn't get to know the people around him, he "gets" them so the 'get" is who they are to him.

Also, Jess is all for asking why or what for the people around him but he doesn't afford them the same. He needs to get people but not share himself. He was willing to push sex on Rory to get her to stop asking questions. And turn lack of constant back onto her. Just because he didn't want anyone in his head.

In the revival, Jess tells Rory to write a book about her&her mom. This is supposedly a great thing because Rory takes to the idea. Since Rory has been lost her taking to an idea seems fabulous. But imo, in that scene, Jess has stopped asking questions, he's just telling Rory how it should be now. Rory doesn't have to think about things, cause Jess is there to tell her just what she should do in life. Well until Lorelai comes in and hates the idea.

BlondieLeigh

He was the worst!

And that's because he didn't want anyone else to have her so he had to try and manipulate his way back in.

fox24

Plus rory had so many opportunities to get back with him but she never took them