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Old 01-30-2004, 01:07 PM
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'Cause Luke is conversationally commited. ~JJ~ 103 Diner Conversations



Welcome Java Junkies!

Hey! The title comes from a recent conversation we had on how Luke isn't emotionally committed to Nicole and would rather converse with Lorelai. Jo found this article on couples and being conversationally commited. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Java Junkie Timeline
JJ timeline *This is still being worked on. If anyone has anything to add to it.. please tell us!

The Java Junkie Stamp


The Java Junkie song!

"All you newbies, and the lurkers. Grab some coffees, don't be Tay-lers. Step on the daisy, don't be lazy. IV the caffiene, we're not mean. Scream some STELLA!!, it's ok to yell--a!"

The Java Junkie Official Game

Bagel Hockey Positions:
Lorelai - Offense
Rory - Defense
Luke - Goalie

The Java Junkie To-The-Point Thread Rules!

Be sure to check out the GG board rules first! (Thanks to our great mods)

1. No spoilers! Simple as that!
2. Be careful with Max and Christopher bashing! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
3 Try to stay on topic... we could have used this rule during the corn fiasco! [img]smilies/lol.gif[/img] You can be OT, but keep the Luke and Lorelai love in mind!
4. Respect each other! 'Cause all we need is a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T!
5. Drink coffee. Lots and lots of it! (but don't take from the secret stash)

If you have any concerns, don't be afraid to bring it up!

The Java Junkie Theories
JavaSex Theory Luke keeps Lorelai in coffee, nothing else. We all know coffee is Lorelai's biggest pleasure. So possibly when she wasn't "gettin any" of Luke's special "coffee," she turned to life's second greatest pleasure...sex. Christopher just happened to be the first warm body to be in her vacinity while she going through her Luke's Coffee Deprivation Period. ~credit: Alexis ~name: Kitty

Name Game
In LHCD - Lor defines the whole package as "Love, Comfort & Safety." Look below -Coincidence? I think not.

L=love
U=understanding
C=comfort
A=and
S=safety

The Java Junkie Smilies!

The Angel, Luke ---->
The Junkie, Lorelai ---->

The Java Junkie Mascots!





"STELLAAAA!!"




"Goodnight, Bert!"



"It has a hat and everything!"



"No one has ever made me a chuppah before."
The Chuppa, courtesy of the fantabulous Kitty and Ally!! We all know that one day they'll be standing under there ...



'Cause one day it won't be a dream!

Reasons Why We Love Luke and Lorelai!

1. He's her Angel, the giver of coffee.
2. The Santa burger! "It has a hat and everything!"
3. He hates hospitals, but he stayed with her anyway.
4. He's protective of Rory like she was his own daughter.
5. He would give his daughter cash to buy a Barbie and meet her by the baseball cards.
6. Did we mention she eats there everyday?
7. He can't imagine anyone ever being disappointed in her.
8. He thinks Lorelai MAKES a great mom.
9. He thinks handkerchiefs are revolting. (Think about it, they are.)
10. He thinks sweet Dean is trouble. Just like a father.
11. He argued over free hot chocolate, then gave free food and hot chocolate and abandoned the diner for Lorelai.
12. He blew up balloons for Rory's birthday AND wrote on them.
13. Observe the wonder of soap and a shave - the man is pretty darn hot!
14. He even managed to get Emily to open up a little.
15. He comes bearing ice.
16. Lorelai trusts him with the one thing she values most in the world...Rory
17. 'Cause no matter how much he dissaproves, he always pours the coffee.
18. 'Cause he worries about their health
19. 'Cause he thinks she's an "amazing woman"
20. 'Cause Lorelai thinks he "looks good!"
21. 'Cause their cards are lucky!!
22. 'Cause Lorelai is jealous of Rachel
23. 'Cause Luke thinks she's a fruitcake
24. 'Cause Sookie said Luke is a good man
25. 'Cause Luke wants a Lorelai-kind-of-pretty
26. 'Cause Luke put up a sign (which he hates to do!) to help Lorelai out (since she doesn't take "No" very well)
27. 'Cause Luke isn't pining away for Rachel... but for Lorelai!
28. 'Cause Christopher is her past and Luke is her future!
29. 'Cause Luke asked Lorelai to marry him!
30. Lorelai convinced Luke to "spruce"! "Grab your brushes and grab your rollers... all you kids and all you.. bowlers!"
31. 'Cause Lorelai called Luke when Stella was missing!
32. 'Cause Luke is the "male lead in every story" Lorelai tells.
33. 'Cause Lorelai "maybe" has feelings for him!
34. 'Cause of that almost-kiss behind the counter!!
35. 'Cause Luke is jealous of Chrisopher (see #22!)
36. Since Lorelai must have ran out of her house in her *pajamas* to apologize to Luke!
37. 'Cause Lorelai painted Luke's diner to make up for it!
38. 'Cause Rachel is his past and Lorelai is his future! (see #28!)
39. 'Cause there are "haps" with Lorelai!
40. 'Cause Lorelai got really really jealous of Rachel... if looks could kill...
41. 'Cause they both have someone to "check up on"... each other!
42. 'Cause Luke went after Dean when Rory and Dean broke up!
43. 'Cause Luke will get strawberries for Rory! (and extra chocolate chips with cream on her pancakes!)
44. 'Cause "He started it!"
45. 'Cause Lorelai *needs* to find a way to Luke... have it be walking through a garbage dump to get there!
46. 'Cause Luke and Lorelai are love birds... make that love chicks!
47. 'Cause Lorelai called Luke "Sleeping Beauty"... making her the prince!
48. 'Cause Stella is the coolest chick (and our mascot) and chirps for Luke and Lorelai!
49. 'Cause Lorelai just found the doggy version of Luke!
50. 'Cause Luke sharpened, tightened, and cleaned Lorelai's skates!
51. 'Cause Lorelai gets "really good service" there.
52. 'Cause Lorelai thinks collars work for Luke! "Behold, the healing powers of a bath!"
53. 'Cause he convinced her not to kill Dean on "double coupon day"!
54. 'Cause Lorelai loves watching Luke "Shifting in his seat", "Adjusting the cap", "Fighting the urge! Fighting the urge!"... fighting the urge to kiss her that is!
55. 'Cause "Some traditions are nice", birthdays... daily coffee at Luke's...
56. 'Cause "Magical things happen in the snow"... and guess who she saw before Max?
57. "The truth hurts!" The truth is: Lorelai and Luke are just meant to be!
58. 'Cause Lorelai thinks Luke would look good "dressed like a guy from The Crucible".
59. 'Cause she finishes his sentences.
60. 'Cause she wants to check up on him.
61. 'Cause she bought him a present 2 weeks before Christmas.
62. 'Cause Luke couldn't stand to see Lorelai alone after Rune the Loon left!
63. 'Cause they're both eventually going to get that magic at the start of a relationship when they get together!
64. 'Cause they renewed our love for coffee!
65. 'Cause Luke thinks Lorelai has "symmetrical eyes"!
66. 'Cause Lorelai looks great in a different great way!

67. 'Cause Lorelai and Rachel becoming friends bothers him.
68. Their fridge is always empty because they're always at Luke's!
69. 'Cause luke de-eyed her eggs and pancakes! (They were staring at her)
70. 'Cause the thought of Rachel serious with Luke upsets her.
71. 'Cause Lorelai thinks Luke has a nice place.
72. 'Cause it's not that she "pictures his apartment". Riight.
73. 'Cause Lorelai's going to give him crap about the frilly curtains.
74. 'Cause Luke has everything Lorelai needs: ice, love, coffee...
75. 'Cause Lorelai went through his underwear drawer.
76. 'Cause it was "no big deal" with Lorelai being up at his apartment.
77. 'Cause Luke doesn't want Lorelai in the storeroom because something could fall and he wouldn't want Lorelai to get hurt!
78. 'Cause Lorelai admires his pickles!
79. 'Cause Lorelai wants their relationship to go past "Please some coffee?" "No" "Please?" "No, it makes you short, blah blah"
80. 'Cause Luke let Lorelai use the fun cutter thingy!
81. 'Cause Lorelai sees the way Rachel talks about him and smiles at him - because she does the same!
82. 'Cause Lorelai is *not* taking Rachel's side.
83. 'Cause Lorelai wants him to be happy.
84. 'Cause Lorelai wants another reason to stop Luke from taking the plunge! Her!
85. 'Cause Lorelai's worried that Rachel and Luke aren't right together. But Luke and Lorelai? That's another story!
86. 'Cause Luke smiled at *Lorelai* during his date with Rachel.
87. 'Cause there's happy pie at Luke's.
88. 'Cause of Lorelai's upset look when she realized the coffee tasted different. She misses the old coffee, misses Luke!
89. 'Cause even Rachel saw their chemistry and took a picture of them!
90. 'Cause Luke has everything Lorelai needs: ice, love, coffee...
91. 'Cause Luke an Lorelai inspire great fanfiction!
92. 'Cause even "He who shall not be named" won't get in their way!
93. 'Cause "He who shall not be named" only gets phone calls, Luke gets to see her every day!
94. 'Cause Luke loves to rant to Lorelai. (argh, malls! Lol)
95. 'Cause Lorelai shopped for Rachel's present.
96. 'Cause Luke's credit card looks tired!
97. 'Cause Lorelai dressed him!
98. 'Cause Lorelai thought he would look nice.
99. 'Cause Lorelai bough him sweaters in 3 colors, a suit (at 175% off!!) and beautiful pants. (Lorelai wants its baby!)
100. 'Cause Lorelai saves her psychotic episodes for Luke! "Get away from me you mental patient!"
101. 'Cause when Lorelai said "I just have exceptional taste", she was talking about Luke, not the clothes.
102. 'Cause "it's not what you think!" when Lorelai was fixing his belt.
103. 'Cause the coffee was on the house.
104. 'Cause Luke was scared when Rory ran away!
105. 'Cause Luke is #3, her husband! (and Lorelai didn't say "Pass")
106. 'Cause she wants him to be too sexy for his shirt and do a little dance on the catwalk!
107. 'Cause when Lorelai asked Luke to turn around, you know she was checking his butt!
108. 'Cause Luke was fixing her porch! "Last time I was here I noticed the porch rail was broken."
109. 'Cause Lorelai was dreaming of Luke! (and she's not crazy)
110. 'Cause Luke is on the roof! And he fell for her.... literally and metaphorically!
111. 'Cause Luke "is always at Lorelai's".... Rachel is getting jealous!
112. 'Cause Luke scared her half to death!
113. 'Cause Luke broke in through the back door! (he's going to fix it, of course)
114. 'Cause Luke is hiding from Rachel... hiding at Lorelai's!
115. 'Cause Luke is a loner. Until he met Lorelai.
116. 'Cause "life is not a fantasy". Not 1000 daises or horses! Just coffee. That's real.
117. 'Cause Max feels threatened by Luke.
118. 'Cause Rachel left because Luke's "heart wasn't in it". His heart was with Lorelai!
119. 'Cause Luke and Lorelai are just... (Luke can't say it)
120. 'Cause even Rachel knows and tells Luke not to wait too long to tell her.
121. 'Cause it was Luke who showed up at her door.
122. 'Cause Lorelai has her own blue cap. (look closely in the toolbox scene!)
123. 'Cause Luke is very handy.
124. 'Cause Luke and Max had a squabble!
125. 'Cause "it doesn't matter what time it is, I'll always be around." And he'll fight for her!
126. 'Cause Max thought Lorelai went out with Luke... he sensed a "vibe".
127. 'Cause Luke didn't take the toolbox with him! Hmm....

128. 'Cause Lorelai said "Goodnight Bert" to Luke's toolbox even though she was going out with Max.
129. 'Cause Lorelai gave Luke a flower, even though she said everyone in town gets one, she was only carrying one.
130. 'Cause Lorelai threw french fries at Luke!
131. 'Cause Luke won't let eat alone!
132. 'Cause Luke didn't get a chance to ask her out! (well, we knew what he meant!)
133. 'Cause Luke let Lorelai dress him up all GQ.
134. 'Cause Luke's always around when Lorelai's in trouble.
135. 'Cause if Lorelai likes it, it goes!
136. 'Cause even Emily sees the way he looks at her and the way she looks at him!
137. 'Cause Luke is a "good man"!
138. 'Cause the corn is scary. Don't ask.
139. 'Cause Luke got jealous of a Chilton dad! (He's too "old"... uh huh)
140. 'Cause they always color-coordinate. (They're always wearing the color blue!)
141. 'Cause we can see the love in their eyes.
142. 'Cause Luke only lets one person behind the counter (his sacred space)....Lorelai.
143. 'Cause Luke breaks his own rules for Lorelai; no cellphones, no one behind the counter, no one in the backroom, etc.
144. 'Cause they made us go on a Santa burger crusade!
145. 'Cause Luke was the one who made Lorelai 90% water and 10% caffine (but the water's coffee flavored!)
146. 'Cause Luke broke into her house and crossed over to the dark side just to be around her.
147. 'Cause she lets him in her house, he lets her behind the counter - they let each other into each others lives.
148. 'Cause they look great together!
149. 'Cause Luke's a vision!
150. 'Cause Luke really thought that Lorelai's cries for help were code for "you're not wearing any underwear"
151. 'Cause Luke gave Lorelai 8 cards while playing poker.
152. 'Cause Lorelai offered Luke a popsicle!

153. 'Cause Luke said "top of the morning" to Max, since Lorelai told him to be nice.
154. 'Cause Luke set the blueberry pancakes aside for them, even though it's "first come, first served"!
155. 'Cause Luke is a mower!
156. 'Cause Luke never questions Lorelai's crazy thoughts, and Lorelai never questions his crazy rants!
157. 'Cause Luke knows their eating habits.
158. 'Cause Luke made Lorelai a chuppa! With a goat!
159. 'Cause Luke is the right person for Lorelai. They put up with each other's crap, they don't want to change each other, and they would never make each other eat French food! (Lorelai already tried to dress Luke, though! But Luke kept the clothes!)
160. 'Cause he always gives in to her need for caffine
161. 'Cause he doesn't want Rory to grow up like her; She's one of a kind
162. 'Cause he'll let her pick apart his brain.
163. 'Cause she thinks he looks *good*.
164. 'Cause acording to Lorelai, he *needs* her help
165. 'Cause he turned the lights off so she could watch the trial run of the parade.
166. 'Cause she bought him a new blue hat.
167. 'Cause it's obvious they'll be together in the end.
168. 'Cause maybe it's crazy, maybe it's irrational, but it's there!
169. 'Cause "Please Luke, please please please" puts us down the gutter!
170. 'Cause Luke thinks Lorelai can hack anything.
171. 'Cause Luke sucks as a liar.
172. 'Cause Lorelai wants Luke to wear fishnet stockings, a leather teddy, platform boots, gloves, a wig, and offered to do his makeup!
173. 'Cause Luke offered Lorelai a loan!
174. 'Cause Emily wants Lorelai to date the man at the diner who refuses to shave!
175. 'Cause Luke bought her a grapefruit!
176. 'Cause Luke saved her from the double pathetic.
177. 'Cause we're waiting patiently for Amy Sherman-palladino to write that scene where they sit across from each other and realize "Oh *******, it's you!"
178. 'Cause he keeps her on schedule, so she doesn't miss her business class.
179. 'Cause she invited him to the Rocky Horror Picture Show and wanted to dress him in a leather teddy and fishnet stockings.
180. 'Cause he'll always be the one with the coffee which is basically her oxygen, so technically she'd die if it weren't for him. He keeps her alive.
181. 'Cause she invited him to a slumber party.
182. 'Cause she activated the LorelaiPout and he became her messenger boy.
183. 'Cause he saved her from being all school-marmy, riding by herself in the sleigh.
184. 'Cause she sat on his toolbox, Bert ... toolbox dirty.
185. 'Cause he offered her a loan of $15,000 sneakily, but she can see right through his weak attempts to lie to her.
186. 'Cause he stopped dead in his tracks when she announced she's a casual dater.
187. 'Cause she talked so much about Luke on her date with Paul that even his parents knew the "darn shame" that was Rachel.
188. 'Cause he runs just as hot and cold on her as she does on him.
189. 'Cause he says, 'My God, will she date anyone else in the world before she'll date me?'
190. 'Cause maybe it's crazy, maybe it's irrational, but it's there.
191. 'Cause they both don't have dating down because they aren't dating the right person, each other.
192. 'Cause he wouldn't go to see Romeo and Julet but he did ask her to tell him all about the star crossed lovers.
193. 'Cause he is in her life permanently forever. He will always be there for her. She will always be there for him.
194. 'Cause when she asked if she's got him, he didn't hesitate for a second to respond "You do."
195. 'Cause all she has to do is threaten him with the LorelaiPout and he melts and offers her one thing no woman can resist ... chocolate!
196. 'Cause we wish one of them would turn SOMEDAY into TODAY.
197. 'Cause he was willing to brave the obstinant Taylor just to get her a rather disgusting fruit.
198. 'Cause Luke admitted it was nice.
199. 'Cause he bought her basket!
200. 'Cause he paid $52.50 for her!
201. 'Cause one look is all it takes!
202. 'Cause Lorelai thinks he rocks.
203. 'Cause someday already happened.
204. 'Cause he knows how to keep her happy
205. 'Cause she already met that guy!
206. 'Cause everyone's coffee was on the house when he found out that Lorelai and Max weren't getting married!
207. 'Cause Luke offered to play bagel hockey with her!
208. Lorelai freaks out when she finds out that Luke isn't the one feeding her, and runs to his apartment to avoid eating Ceasar's stinky pancakes.
209. Lorelai wants Luke's good fluffy pancakes!
210. She'll help him shower when she becomes a superhero.
211. The second she saw Luke was alone in the diner she sent Rory off so she could check up on him.
212. She asked if Luke was offering to clean out her gutters (double meaning for fellow gutterbrains!).
213. She called him Duke for two years just to make him mad, but they talked and eventually, time went by, and now Lorelai loves him. Rory says so!
214. Because "Well. . ." isn't exactly a denial!
215. She offered his nephew the freaky addictive lemon coke and chinese food as a peace offering.
216. He wants her to come look at his apartment, she's his second opinion!
217. She rarely gives him the chance to not listen to her, but she did offer her face for him to lick...dirty!
218. Mary called Luke Lorelai's husband!
219. We all know he would notice if she answered the door wrapped in cellophane wearing a Yankees cap OR a Mets cap.
220. The already have pet names for each other. He's Snuffy and she's the Little Missus.
221. Lorelai promises they won’t do anything dirty, yeah right.
222. 'Cause Mary said "If my husband and I looked anything like the two of you, we’d never get dressed."
223. Mary called them a "nice couple with a nice vibe."
224. Lorelai made Luke turn thirteen different shades of red!
225. He makes it too easy for her to toy with him, just by standing there.
226. The "lady friend, red-hot mama, big, pretty dish of lovin' with a spoon made especially for Luke" she was referring to is herself!
227. They already went to the batting cages together....in "It's Right There" the greatest Java Junkie fanfiction every written (by the fabulous Ann)!
228. She doesn't like his single bed....not room for her! She's prepping Luke for a commitment.
229. Lorelai put it best when she said "Don’t you want the possibility of more? Come on Luke, it’s time. Make a move, take a shot, entertain the possibility of a non-unabomber existence. What do you say?" We know he'll do that when they're ready to admit their feelings for each other.
230. She told him not to turn down the spruce....he took the spruce.
231. 'Cause she can talk to him about anything, including tetherball.
232. 'Cause she reserved 9 rooms for him without hesitating!
233. 'Cause Emily said she was probably standing in Lorelai's reception hall, and she's was in Luke's!
234. 'Cause she slipped her arm through his - when they weren't pretending to be married!
235. 'Cause they're "a match made in heaven."
236. 'Cause she can handle his rants, and he can handle a crisis.
237. 'Cause he makes her feel special.
238. 'Cause they both thought the Romanoff's had it coming.
239. 'Cause they look like they are dating in real life
240. 'Cause their simmering attraction is sending us into the gutter!
241. 'Cause she' can't call him back later...she rushes to his call!
242. 'Cause she'd be happy to rush over and help with whatever. He'd be doing her a favor.
243. 'Cause she he told her to call if you needed anything...hmmm, ANYTHING?!
244. 'Cause she could unflap him...don't read into that...never mind, read into it.
245. 'Cause she called him Cowboy and he called her Gertie...the pet names get more and more adorable with each new addition!
246. 'Cause he let her number his tables.
247. 'Cause she's Cathy Coffee and he's her Big Strong Coffee Man!
248. 'Cause she messes with Kirk when he's being a pain, just like Luke.
249. 'Cause she thinks his respect for his dad, the "good man." is nice.
250. 'Cause she's got him covered...don't read into that...okay, read into that.
251. 'Cause she's having his 'dream twins'.
252. 'Cause Luke is the only one who can give him the 'whole package'.
253. 'Cause only Luke's lovin' can shut her up!
254. 'Cause we finally got a kiss!
255. 'Cause she dreamed of marrying him and having his twins!
256. 'Cause only Luke's lovin' will shut her up!
257. 'Cause Luke gives Lorelai what she wants!
258. 'Cause Luke gave a ridiculous speech at the high school for Lorelai!
259. 'Cause he put up the sign when he asked her too!
260. 'Cause he told her to 'take it off'!
261. 'Cause she was thinking about him during 'Eternal Flame'.
262. 'Cause her smile drives him crazy.
263. 'Cause he's got the coffee, and she needs the coffee. (And remember even Scott said the 'coffee' is symbollic of something else!)
264. 'Cause she'll always see him later.
265. 'Cause she knows he'll make a great dad.
266. 'Cause his name says it all. L-love U-nderstanding C-comfort A-and S-safety.
267. 'Cause he didn't really think she had a chick loose in the house.
268. 'Cause he looked at her like she was a Porterhouse steak... and she was pleased!
269. 'Cause dreams come true.
270. 'Cause he knew she'd be hungry later.
271. 'Cause she lets him see her when her guard is down.
272. 'Cause the best of friends make the best of lovers.
273. 'Cause what's meant to be will always find a way.
274. 'Cause he was the first person to get a daisy.
275. 'Cause he loves her so much, he made her a chuppa even though it meant she would stand under it with someone else.
276. 'Cause he's one of the few things in life she can count on permenantly.
277. 'Cause he came to the table, and that made him number three! (123 He's Yours)
278. 'Cause she knows his clothing sizes.
279. 'Cause she knows he's got the body of a fireman underneath that apron.
280. 'Cause with his blue eyes, he could already pass for Rory's father!
281. 'Cause he shouldn't get engaged "considering the circumstances"
282. 'Cause she's not a dream tramp, of course the twins are his!
283. 'Cause they spent the night together.
284. 'Cause she wears flannel too.
285. 'Cause she likes his butt!
286. 'Cause she doesn't want him changing his menu for anyone else but her!
287. 'Cause he thinks it's great that she's tall.
288. 'Cause he wants to "do it again" sometime!
289. 'Cause every junkie needs a dealer.
290. 'Cause he baited her hook
291. 'Cause one day, they will both be able to be touchy feely
292. 'Cause what’s a lonely parent gonna do but hook up with coffee guy?
293. 'Cause they're so dysfuctional! Make out already!
294. 'Cause we want a pay-per-view kinda first date!
295. 'Cause she drives his truck. Dirty!
296. 'Cause now it's her time to be jealous.
297. 'Cause he corked his hook for her...Dirty!
298. 'Cause every time he cleans up, you can hear her 'wow'.
299. 'Casuse it's time for their tango to tangle!
300. 'Cause even if he didn't say it, everyone knows Luke's most comfortable in Lorelai's home and Lorelai's most at home in Luke's diner.
301. 'Cause progress is a bitch!
302. 'Cause they won't have an affair, but they still want each other.
303. 'Cause the sparkle's gone in his eye... and its her fault!
304. 'Cause Luke is conversationally commited.



The Java Junkie List of Thread Somethings

Part of Java Junkie tradition, with each new thread #, we have L/L items to go with it!

2 Santa Burgers
3 Blue Hats
4 Lucky Cards
5 Chicks
6 Coffee Mugs/Paintbrushes
7 Pickles
8 Toolboxes
9 Cornstalks
10 Broken Locks
11 Handkerchieves
12 Empty Threats
13 Porterhouse Steaks
14 Lemon Lamps
15 Bags of Ice
16 Longing Looks
17 Cans of Paint
18 Frilly Curtains
19 Black Leather Belts
20 Chuppas
21 Danishes
22 Goats
23 Runways
24 Sleigh Rides
25 Messenger Boys
26 Flirts
27 Popsicles
28 AlmostKisses
29 GutterThoughts
30 Fishnet Stockings
31 Loan Offers
32 Picnic Baskets
33 Brownies
34 Goalies
35 Subtle Glances
36 Non-Denials
37 Pet Names
38 Double Beds
39 Pancakes
40 Falling Ceilings
41 Omelettes
42 Chocolate Brownies
43 Apologies
44 Party Poses
45 Daily Pleasures
46 Heatwaves
47 Horizontal Tangos
48 Long Summers
49 Mental Kicks
50 Parties
51 Reconciliations
52 Cards
53 Soulmates
54 Insinuations
55 Masquerades
56 Realizations
57 Mini Fics
58 Metaphors
59 Dreams
60 Donuts
61 Moments of Silence
62 Packages
63 Things
64 Rubber Ducks
65 Love Songs
66 Propositions
67 Discussions
68 Hands
69 Sexual References
70 Devoted Fans
71 Hammers - Dirty!
72 JJ Cheers
73 Games
74 Sexy Toys
75 Beautiful Dreamers
76 White Dresses
77 Special Spoons
78 Gloves
79 Fishing Rods
80 Reasons
81 Leans
82 Twins
83 Sleepovers
84 Assets
85 Alarm Clocks
86 Futures
87 Touches
88 Dirty!
89 Addictions
90 Jealous Rages
91 Get-On-With-It's
92 Late Night Specials
93 Luke's Married?!
94 Enganches
95 Tornadoes
96 Mattresses
97 Gut Feelings
98 Movie Nights
99 Eat A Burger!
100 Celebrations
101 Rendevous
102 No Names
103 Diner Conversations

Future Possible Thread Titles

'Cause who cares if it was just a dream, we got a KISS!
'Cause we know that's how it'll be when they're together
'Cause Rory spoke the truth!
'Cause he'll be *home* early
'Cause who cares if it was just a dream? We got a kiss!
'Cause we know that's how it'll be when they're together
'Cause we finally got a kiss! And not one, three!
'Cause she's having his babies!
'Cause Chris is no longer in the picture!
'Cause logically, he loves Mimi too
'Cause Luke agrees with Kirk's taste in women (strangely enough)
'Cause now that we got a kiss, we want more
'Cause they just look right together. What else do you need
'Cause Rory was right the first time
'Cause Rory was right the first time~-- explanations
'Cause she's having his dream babies~-- offspring
'Cause there's more to love! ~-- heads
'Cause if clocks weren't a symbol of love before, he made them one ~-- clocks
'Cause logically, he loves Mimi too~ -- "new" customers
'Cause they broke the bells together ~ Bonnie & Clyde
'Cause he doesn't need a small toolbox when he has a big one ~ church conversations?
'Cause she doesn't want him to move ~ Interruptions / Confessions
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I looked up caps where Luke and Lorelai had their talks.. there are so many I had to cut out some good scenes.





























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Mini Fics we have started (in case anyone wants to add on) [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Fic 1..


Emily Gilmore stormed into Luke's diner with her head held high and a determined look on her face.

"Luke!" She yelled, scanning the diner. He seemed to be nowhere insight, so Emily walked toward another customer.

"You there," she sneered, tapping a young lady on her shoulder, "do you know where the man who runs this establishment is?"

Luke stepped out from the storage room cautiously at the sound of Emily's voice, and peaked his head around the corner.

Oh God, it was her. Why was she harassing his customers?

"Mrs. Gilmore?"

"Yes, thats me," she turned around and tried to pinpoint the sound of Luke's voice. Catching his head peering around the corner, she smirked. Eyeing her pray, she began walking toward him.

"I'm sorry, Luke, are you glued to that particular spot on the floor?"

"Uh," Luke finally turned the corner began walking toward her, "no, no. Not glued, just, standing. Sorry, I was just... busy. Packing, unpacking, moving things... you know." Even he was amazed at the power Emily Gilmore had over people. Hell, she'd only said a few things and there he was - blabbing on like an idiot.

"Ah," she sighed, nodding in amusment at his uncomfortableness, "Packing, unpacking... of course. Should have known."

She carefully sat down on a stool, but not before brushing it 'clean' with a napkin.

Luke took a breath and leaned against the counter. Whatever it was that Emily Gilmore wanted - she sure as hell was going to get.

"Is there anything I can help you with?

Emily smiled, "Actually, yes, there is."

Luke frowned. He knew he shouldn't have asked.

"Uh, alright?"

"You know my daughter Lorelai, correct?"

Finally, something he was good at making conversation about. He relaxed his shoulders and smiled a bit, "Yea she comes in here occasionally to feed her coffee addiction."

"Is she here now?" Emily asked, suddenly peering over her shoulders and lowering her voice.

"No," he whispered back, "don't think so."

Emily nodded, "Good."

Luke narrowed his eyebrows and stood up straight. What was this all about? Why was Emily here?

"Luke, I need you to do me an enormus favor. Now, mind you, I rarely ask for anything from anybody - but this means alot to me and my well being as a mother and as the wife of a business man."

Luke nodded, confused, and asked what it was.

"I need you to date my daughter."

Luke froze.

"Date your... um, what? Your who?"

"My daughter, Luke. I need you to ask her out for an evening, can you manage that?"

Luke shook his head in disbelief, "Why would you ask me to ask your daughter out on a date? I mean... what's going on?"

Emily frowned and glanced away, "Digger."

"Excuse me?"

Tired of Luke's inability to read her mind, Emily finally burst.

"Stiles, Luke! Digger Stiles! I was on my way into Richards office to ask him if he wanted lunch when I heard Lorelai's name mentioned. So instead of going in, I just peered through the door to see Digger standing there all cocky and talking on the phone. Then that rodent said something about, 'seeing her Saturday night' and that he was 'excited about their first date'. I was absolutly disgusted!"

Luke, completely blown away by Emily's outbust, just nodded in agreement - afraid to move otherwise.

"I wasn't eavesdropping, I mean, I didn't even want to hear it! God, that incompetent boy can't even shut a door correctly or use a civilized tone when talking on the phone. If he could, then maybe I wouldn't have heard anything and we wouldn't be put in this situation."

She finally stopped for a moment to take a breath, and turned her attention toward Luke, ready for round two.

"And you know Lorelai, when I tried to confront her about it - all she wanted to do was argue with me. I swear, nothing can get through the think skull that girl has. This is Richards business partner for God's sake! Is nothing sacred!?"

Luke, eyes wide, stood frozen in place. How the hell was he going to get out of this one?
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This is going to be confusing..

Fic 2..


"Lorelai!"

Lorelai looked up in time to see Sookie rushing into her house screaming her name.

Laughing, "Yeah Sookie, what's up?"

"I have this great idea. Well, it wasn't actually my idea. I was at the doctor's this morning in Hartford for Davey's checkup and I was really bored. So I went to the vending machine and got some coffee. I sat down and spilled the coffee all over this newspaper sitting on the table..."

"Sookie!"

"Oh, right. Well, there was an article about how some bed and breakfast got the community together to help build and landscape it. It cut down on costs of construction and the place got a lot of advertising when the news found out about the community work and I thought it would be really cool if we put out something where all of Stars Hollow can help us with the Inn. It would make the Inn more of a home in Stars Hollow if everyone has some kind of involvement in it."

"You've already started asking people to come help with the Inn, right?"

Looking at the ground, Sookie continued. "Well... Yeah, but I only said we were thinking about it. If you don't like it we don't have to do it but.."

"Sookie, I think that's a great idea! Everyone will feel closer to the Inn. Let's come up with the time and details."

Lorelai and Sookie sat back down at the table and started talking about the details of the community project.

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Do you guys think Luke and Lorelai ever finished their conversation at the church after the reverend left?

I mean, Luke looked really happy later when he saw Mrs. Kim and Lorelai looked wistful and was distracted the next day. I wonder that even if they didn't finish their exact conversation, that they may of had some special moment as they were breaking the bells, realizing how much they mean to each other. It had to take at least an hour or so to climb up to the bell tower and dismantle some of the parts in the bells. I wonder what happened between them during that time. And when Lorelai was woken up at 4am.. it didn't seem to take her long to 'wake up' and she didn't appear sleepy, it only took one ring and she reached out for the phone. So my guess is that she just recently had gotten into bed.

And the next day, Lorelai didn't tell Rory that she and Luke broke the bells.. she just dismissed the topic by saying the bells just stopped. She tells Rory everything, so something a bit major had to happen for her not to want to brag to Rory that she broke the bells. Instead Lorelai looked like she was hiding a good secret.

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I don't think they did. I think the minister stopped them in their tracks. I bet they did the deed (well, not that deed) (but they should have) in silence and then went their separate ways. I think they were both thinking about 'what if' it had gone farther....

There have been too many conversations in the past that went no where after they hit a certain point.

The main thing is I think it got them both thinking about their true feelings. And maybe, how they need to approach each other next.

Luke has to get rid of Nicole before he can say anything. Lorelai is really thinking about her feelings. I think that's why she isn't sleeping and seems do distracted. I think Jason is just another distraction...keeping her mind off 'married' Luke. The next move is his.
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Kitty: yeah, sure! But we can dream. Or write a fic about it. I'd be really really pissed if something happened and they didn't show us. This is not The X-Files.

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Hmmm...I hadn't even thought about that Kitty. I was so mad that they got interrupted and we didn't get to see anything else that I forgot they still had to break the bells.
I wonder what did happen. Did they just ignore Luke's question and go back to the 'partners in crime' vibe? Did Lorelai bring up Nicole and the not livng together thing again? Or did nothing happen like Cheryl said and they just broke the bells in silence?
Very interesting. Lots of questions. I can't decide what I think happened. Someone should write a fic about what happened or what they were thinking. Who knows if we'll ever find out from the show.
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Ok, now I've been reading so much about this over here and TWoP that I have the say this:

Theory about where Lorelai and Luke stand right now in their relationship

I really really really don't think that Luke and Lorelai should get together any time soon. Right now everything they do is fight. And they do make up, but the confidence isn't there.

About Lorelai: yes, she is self-centered. And she might be annoying to some people, but you ever have noticed how often the main star in a series gets annoying? Just because everything is about them and they show you their best and worst side. And maybe they show you even more how unsure they are about everything.
Lorelai does tell Sookie that she thought she was more than coffee-friends with Luke. And actually, if you think about it, Luke would have told Lorelai if he had moved in with Rachel. Or if not, let it drop a bit sooner than he did this time. I mean, he did tell her about his marriage, although it took a while. And they both had a good reaction. Actually, he didn't tell her because he thought it wasn't that big of a deal, because he's not really living with Nicole. And everyone is being so hard at Lorelai for getting mad at him and not telling him about Jason. But actually she probably also thinks it's not that big of a deal. I guess if she tells Luke about a guy, he has to be pretty special.

But even if I understand their povs and like them, I really need to see more bonding (not after-fight bonding, just bonding for the good of it) and some "good actions" from Lorelai before I really want them together.

Right now, I don't think they're secretly in love with each other.
Luke can't be in love with her right now, he doesn't seem infatuated and she isn't making his life any better. Neither is Nicole, for that matter. Of course, he does have feelings, but I guess he's a bit disappointed (at least since Nicole returned) that Lorelai isn't more supportive since she doesn't want him.
Lorelai isn't in love with Luke, she's just used to having him there without a girlfriend. So she's playing the usual game of "not for me, but not for anybody else either". It's bad, yes. But come to think of it. Haven't we all had someone like that? And sometimes that person is someone we end up loving and sometimes it's just a friend who we like to be there for us. But I think till Lorelai finds out about what Luke is for her, she has to try and be there for him. Like she was before Nicole came back, and especially in seasons 1 and 2.

So, I was really annoyed at people just talking bad about their relationship and also because I thought they might be partly right. So now I had to write it all from a perspective of a JJ but being true to what is happening on the show.

I just hope Lorelai does think about the talk in the church and tries to approach Luke and really get to know him. I've read lots of times on this thread posts from people who would love to see Lorelai fall for him while he doesn't know or is too tied to begin a relationship with her. I guess it's because we want to see her care for him like lovers care. Her almost confession in the church was a step forwards, but, like the song says...

Saying 'I love you' is not the words I want to hear from you
It's not that I want you not to say
But if you only knew how easy it would be to show me how you feel
More than words is all you have to do to make it real
Then you wouldn't have to say that you love me
'Cause I'd already know

What would you do if my heart was torn in two
More than words to show you feel that your love for me is real
What would you say if I took those words away
Then you couldn't make things new just by saying I love you

Now that I've tried to talk to you and make you understand
All you have to do is close your eyes and just reach out your hands
And touch me, hold me close, don't ever let me go
More than words is all I ever needed you to show
Then you wouldn't have to say ihat you love me
'Cause I'd already know


Now Lorelai didn't do anything for Max or Lorelai or Jason ever. I want her to do something for Luke.


Isn't it ironic that we're using this thread title right after an episode that is actually about Luke and Lorelai not talking enough?

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Nutters: I can totally see where you're coming from. I can buy that take on their relationship, although I do prefer to think that they do *love* each other, I do agree that they aren't at that point of being 'in love'.

I think that because, if they were 'in love', they'd actually have to be talking to each other and know each other well enough to understand one another, where they are not at this point.

But...I do think Luke knows and understands her in little ways, and not the major issues yet. Lorelai on the other hand is not even *close* to being ready for an actual *serious* relationship.

Anyhoo

I hope she isn't dating 'lots' until she gets a grasp on the issues she has with trusting men, that being involved with someone seriously doesn't necessarily mean that she has to lose 'herself' in them, that she can depend on a man without it being a 'bad' thing, and her issues of being tied down.

Not to say that all of it is Lorelai, Luke has to be able to express his feelings verbally. That's his major sore point right now.

All this to say, but it doesn't mean that I don't believe they don't belong together. I think both of them are frustrated with themselves and also each other, since each have made assumptions about the other without having discussed it with them.

JUST SAY IT ALREADY! [img]smilies/sigh.gif[/img]

But I [img]smilies/love.gif[/img] this episode. I really feel that they *are* making progress. Now if ASP just doesn't have them regressing again.

ITA on Nicole and Jason being distractions. Neither of them take them as a 'serious' relationship and I think it's sad that they can make certain commitments with people and not understand that they are *not* really looking for a real relationship with them.

They need to be a little more introspective [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] And spend time thinking about what they want and who they want. [img]smilies/sigh.gif[/img]
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<STRONG>Not to say that all of it is Lorelai, Luke has to be able to express his feelings verbally. That's his major sore point right now.

All this to say, but it doesn't mean that I don't believe they don't belong together. I think both of them are frustrated with themselves and also each other, since each have made assumptions about the other without having discussed it with them.

They need to be a little more introspective [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] And spend time thinking about what they want and who they want. [img]smilies/sigh.gif[/img]</STRONG>
Word!

On what they do for each other

I was taking a look at all the episodes and what they've done for each other. Lorelai has done things for him, but just as a normal friend, not like when Luke built her a chuppah. I'd like to see her do something for him that was totally altruistic, without wanting her to gain him for her by her doing that.

Now what I observed was that Luke always did something manual for her, like fixing things, driving her somewhere... or just let's say logistic things: letting her sleep at his place, help when Rory moved, etc. He actually never offered any sentimental help. Luke's a guy.
Lorelai always helped him in other ways, like trying to give him advice on Jess, Rachel and even Nicole (before they got married). Or scheduling 4 Thanksgiving dinners on a row, helping out in the diner when his uncle died, etc. Except for this last thing, it may seem that those favors weren't altruistic: Lorelai likes knowing about Luke's life and having something to say in it, she likes painting, she likes shopping (Rachel's gift)... and when she gives advice to Luke about relationships, it may not work out, but it's not because of her. She just tries to help Luke with that sentimental side he's not so used to. Lorelai's a woman.

Their relationship is a normal one, with normal friendly chats in the diner or at home, until Nicole comes back. Then it's all upside down. When Nicole came back, Lorelai was mad at him for not telling her (she told him about Max and still he was mad!!!). Now they moved in together and of course she's mad... So I hope the writers do know when this arch is ending, it has to lead to something.
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